People should still have to make minimal payments on ER treatments even if they're low income. Illegals on the other hand......I hope they also plan to allow hospitals to turn away ER patients who can't afford to pay. You know, since paying for the healthcare of others is so terrible for us. If we're not going to do it efficiently, maybe we should stop doing it.
The last number i heard that it would save $219 billion.
Extrapolating the estimated budgetary effects of the original health care legislation and accounting for the effects of subsequent legislation, CBO anticipates that enacting H.R. 2 would probably yield, for the 2012-2021 period, a reduction in revenues in the neighborhood of $770 billion and a reduction in outlays in the vicinity of $540 billion, plus or minus the effects of forthcoming technical and economic changes to CBO’s and JCT’s projections.
what facts have i ignored?
Sen. Kent Conrad’s decision to pass on a shot at a fifth term in North Dakota Tuesday gives a serious boost to Republicans’ chances of regaining the Senate majority in 2012, even though the election is a full 22 months away.
At this early vantage point, North Dakota joins six other states that appear to be toss-ups at best for the Democrats — and the GOP needs to snag only four seats to win control.
“They’re in the catbird’s seat right now. The numbers favor them. I think if you’re a Republican you like your chances. They’d have to see a substantial collapse to not gain seats in the next election,” said David DiMartino, who worked at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee during the 2000 cycle.
Conrad’s decision immediately places the party on defense in another red-leaning state where emboldened Republicans appear positioned for a takeover. It also adds North Dakota to the list of tough anticipated races in Virginia, Montana, Missouri, Nebraska, Florida and Ohio.
“That’s a pickup,” declared GOP operative Chris LaCivita, who served as political director for the National Republican Senatorial Committee last cycle. “Whoever the Democrats snooker into running for that seat is going to have a hell of a time raising money because the conventional wisdom is they don’t have a chance.”
Conrad’s announcement marks the first retirement among Senate Democrats of the cycle — but it’s far from clear if it will be the last.
Shortly after Conrad’s bombshell, Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman — an independent who caucuses with Democrats — said he would reveal his 2012 intentions in Stamford Wednesday, and sources says he is unlikely to run.
If Lieberman steps aside, the Nutmeg State could actually become a bright spot for Democrats, enhancing their chances at retaining the seat. On the other hand, a three-way race with Lieberman as an independent could split Democrats and allow a Republican to be competitive.
In addition to Lieberman, the reelection plans of at least a five of the 23 Democrats who face voters next year remain up in the air, potentially creating an even wider-than-anticipated playing field for the resurgent GOP.
Virginia Sen. Jim Webb has done little to indicate he’s readying for a second term, Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson has said he’s “on course” to run, but has made no final decision and New Mexico’s Jeff Bingaman has not yet made up his mind on a sixth Senate campaign.
Wisconsin Sen. Herb Kohl has made no commitment to a 2012 contest. And while Hawaii’s junior senator, Daniel Akaka, has indicated he wants to pursue a fourth term, there’s ample speculation about whether a challenge from former Gov. Linda Lingle could force him into retirement.
Furthermore, in the 10 states where Republicans are defending seats in 2012, Barack Obama only carried three of them during the 2008 presidential campaign — Maine, Nevada and Massachusetts.
The Democrats’ best opportunity to go on offense appears to be in the Bay State. But even there, Public Policy Polling pegged Sen. Scott Brown’s approval rating at an impressive 53 percent just last month.
And in Texas, where Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison is planning to step down, the long list of GOP replacements all hold double-digit leads over any Democrat, according to PPP.
One North Dakota Democrat who has been long steeped in party politics said the fundamental question will be how to fund competitive candidates in races for governor, House and Senate. “I don’t know how it is done,” said the Democratic operative.
Fundraising could be another disturbing harbinger for Democrats on defense: Very few vulnerable incumbents have amassed a war chest that would scare away a GOP challenger.
Webb, who won his 2006 race by fewer than 10,000 votes, has stockpiled just $470,000 in the bank if he chooses to run. Republican Rep. Denny Rehberg, who is mulling a Senate bid in Montana, has more cash on hand than Sen. Jon Tester, according to the most recent public campaign finance reports.
Beyond the most appealing battlegrounds, Republican operatives point out that GOP gains in states like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania last cycle could metastasize as a presidential campaign develops.
“They have 23 seats, they’re going to have to write some off. And if they say anything else, they’re full of crap,” said LaCivita referring to the DSCC.
6 states join suit against health reform - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com
OH, IA, KS, WY, WI and ME make twenty six
obamacare is one judge's ruling away from coming apart
ie, THE MANDATE
seeya in committee, comrades, in the courts, in the capitols...
That is utterly laughable.There's not a single successfull story that I can think of which would prove you correct on your assumption that our fellow citizens will assist each other sufficiently.
Welfare Reform... the one Clinton claimed he would never sign and took credit for 10-years later as a huge success illustrates we did not need a government sanctioned 12-step system.Welfare - it's like a drug. . .the more you give - the more they 'need' - the more they 'need' - the less successful you will be at weening them off. . . enact the 12 step program (so to say) and make a slow process and maybe there's be a few who can become self-sufficient.
That is utterly laughable.
Our fellow citizens assisted each other to settle the west. It was cooperation not coercion that helped grow this this nation.
People did just fine without that Ho Pimp'in Mother Dearest DC. There was a time when people were ashamed to get government handouts.
Now people actually elect people with the idea they will steal from others on their behalf!
Welfare Reform... the one Clinton claimed he would never sign and took credit for 10-years later as a huge success illustrates we did not need a government sanctioned 12-step system.
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Nearly two-thirds of U.S. doctors surveyed fear healthcare reform could worsen care for patients, by flooding their offices and hurting income, according to a Thomson Reuters survey released Tuesday.
The survey of more than 2,900 doctors found many predict the legislation will force them to work harder for less money.
"When asked about the quality of healthcare in the U.S. over the next five years, 65 percent of the doctors believed it would deteriorate with only 18 percent predicting it would improve," Thomson Reuters, parent company of Reuters, said in a statement.
When asked where most of these newly insured people would get care, 55 percent of the doctors said a nurse practitioner or physician assistant would provide care.
As for patients, 57 percent of doctors predicted the impact of the changes will be negative, 27 percent said they would be positive and 15 percent forecast a neutral effect.
The thread topic here mentiones Obama victories. Wonder how anyone can claim that with the actual results we have today that there were actual victories that benefited the American people? How many believe 3.5 trillion added to the debt and 4 million more unemployed is a victory for the American people?
There was no effective way to prevent either of those things. One of the requirements of a win-lose scenario is that victory has to be a possibility.
You might want to dig into your googles a bit deeper. Look what I found, dated January 6, 2011. LOL :roll:
< CBO has not yet developed a detailed estimate of the budgetary impact of repealing that legislation, although it is working with the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) to complete such an estimate in the near future. Because Congressional deliberations on H.R. 2 could begin very soon, CBO is providing in this letter a less-detailed preliminary analysis of that legislation. CBO and JCT estimated that the March 2010 health care legislation would reduce budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period and in subsequent years; consequently, we expect that repealing that legislation would increase budget deficits. >
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/120xx/doc12040/01-06-PPACA_Repeal.pdf
Good Lord, how can their be any costs repealing something that doesn't go into effect for another 3 years? Still buying the CBO numbers? why? What is the accuracy of the CBO 10 years out on any legislation?
Just showing Prof google the errors of his ways. Evidently you are forgetting who your responding to (early onset is so sad). :roll:
I hope this thing tanks, so we can get something even better. like Medicare for all…at the very least.
Look what I found, dated January 6, 2011.
Extrapolating the estimated budgetary effects of the original health care legislation and accounting for the effects of subsequent legislation, CBO anticipates that enacting H.R. 2 would probably yield, for the 2012-2021 period, a reduction in revenues in the neighborhood of $770 billion and a reduction in outlays in the vicinity of $540 billion, plus or minus the effects of forthcoming technical and economic changes to CBO’s and JCT’s projections.
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