G.O.P. Concocts New Fake Threat: Vote Fraud by Undocumented Immigrants

[Bear5131]

THat, of course, has nothing to do with anything what so ever. Do tell though.

Of course it does I was replying to a posters question

 

[Arlette]

No one's talking about border encounters. We're talking about the RW lies about illegals voting. They simply don't vote. So, it's all lies. Your deflection is duly noted.

It's the lie they wanna hear

 

[soap box]

That is not true at all.

In fact the federal government can.

You are wrong and you know it. What you mean is “the regime approves of illegal aliens voting and will allow” not that they can’t ban it.

it’s purely a stepping stone to giving them full ballots, if they’re not already, I doubt that they would do anything to verify someone’s status if they asked for the “full ballot” anyway.

I can't imagine that it will be true in our lifetimes that someone who's not a US citizen gets to vote in state or federal elections. There's no state with stepping stones with a goal of passing a law that violates the Fed election code.

Post #75 says it too.

 

[HangLow]

Far from the U.S.-Mexico border, Ohio’s Senate primary shows how the Republican obsession with the fiction of a stolen election has spawned a new cause for fear of illegal immigration.​

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...the resurgence of the issue on the right has come with a new twist: Republican leaders and candidates are increasingly claiming without basis that unauthorized immigrants are gaining access to the ballot box.​

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Leaders of the right have found that simply repeating lies over and over make them true in the minds of their followers. So this new ploy will certainly work just as well as the repeated evidence-free lies about a "stolen election" has worked.

Voter fraud is exceptionally rare, and allegations that widespread numbers of undocumented immigrants are voting have been repeatedly discredited. Yet that fabricated message — capitalizing on a concocted threat to advance Mr. Trump’s broader lie of stolen elections — is now finding receptive audiences in more than a dozen states across the country, including several far from the U.S.-Mexico border.​

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This is why talking to many Republicans is so frustrating. Facts mean nothing. Evidence means nothing. There is no, "wait. Does that make sense? What evidence is there to back up this claim?" If it's being "reported" on Fox and parroted by GOP politicians, then it must be true!

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[upsideguy]

No voter fraud is a white collar crime and extremely hard to catch and prove

....part of the reason its hard to catch is that its exceedingly rare. Only 1365 known instances in 40 years (out of nearly 2,000,000,000 votes).

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

The real voting fraud is taken place today, with all types of new legislation addressing an issue that does not exist. It is a fraud in and of itself. The fraud of voter fraud is that it works to deny legitimate voters the opportunity to vote.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Reactive abuse/coercive control

 

[snakestretcher]

Far from the U.S.-Mexico border, Ohio’s Senate primary shows how the Republican obsession with the fiction of a stolen election has spawned a new cause for fear of illegal immigration.​

[...]​

...the resurgence of the issue on the right has come with a new twist: Republican leaders and candidates are increasingly claiming without basis that unauthorized immigrants are gaining access to the ballot box.​

​

Leaders of the right have found that simply repeating lies over and over make them true in the minds of their followers. So this new ploy will certainly work just as well as the repeated evidence-free lies about a "stolen election" has worked.

Voter fraud is exceptionally rare, and allegations that widespread numbers of undocumented immigrants are voting have been repeatedly discredited. Yet that fabricated message — capitalizing on a concocted threat to advance Mr. Trump’s broader lie of stolen elections — is now finding receptive audiences in more than a dozen states across the country, including several far from the U.S.-Mexico border.​

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This is why talking to many Republicans is so frustrating. Facts mean nothing. Evidence means nothing. There is no, "wait. Does that make sense? What evidence is there to back up this claim?" If it's being "reported" on Fox and parroted by GOP politicians, then it must be true!

The GOP loves creative invention; remember the 'caravans' of illegal migrants 'invading' the border, according to Trump? Never happened.

What happened to the migrant caravans?

Nearly a year after migrant caravans captured the nation's attention and drew the ire of President Donald Trump, they appear to have fizzled out, marking yet another shift in their ever-evolving immigration policy narrative.

edition.cnn.com

 

[uptower]

This is not new. They bring it up every election cycle and there are only ever a handful of verifiable cases. Meh.

 

[snakestretcher]

This is not new. They bring it up every election cycle and there are only ever a handful of verifiable cases. Meh.

The right-wing Heritage Foundation who document and keep a close watch on these accusations of voter fraud, found 1,365 proven instances of voter fraud resulting in 1,173 criminal convictions, since 1982! No mention of Trump's 'millions and millions'....

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

 

[Blue Dog]

“Attitudes are more important than facts”

-George MacDonald

 

[uptower]

The right-wing Heritage Foundation who document and keep a close watch on these accusations of voter fraud, found 1,365 proven instances of voter fraud resulting in 1,173 criminal convictions, since 1982! No mention of Trump's 'millions and millions'....

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

Or roughly 90 cases each election year. In a country of 300 million.

Good work finding that. Good luck convincing the brainwashed MAGA millions...

 

[HangLow]

The GOP loves creative invention; remember the 'caravans' of illegal migrants 'invading' the border, according to Trump? Never happened.

What happened to the migrant caravans?

Nearly a year after migrant caravans captured the nation's attention and drew the ire of President Donald Trump, they appear to have fizzled out, marking yet another shift in their ever-evolving immigration policy narrative.

edition.cnn.com

what a couple of dickhead governors...
-Peace

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[NOVA66]

The so called 'issue' of illegals voting is just more fear mongering from the far right to gin up their base.
The fact that voter fraud in general is very rare, and illegals voting is almost not existent, does not stop the GOP from fearing mongering this falsehood. And for the far righties that only get their 'news' from Fox, newsmax, or the like they do not know they are being fed utter BS.

Republican President Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to millions of illegals.

 

[fmw]

G.O.P. Concocts New Fake Threat: Vote Fraud by Undocumented Immigrants​

Allowing illegals to vote in local elections is already a thing in several places. Why wouldn't they worry about its expansion geographically and to national elections?

 

[NOVA66]

No voter fraud all fake news.

 

[NolanVoyd]

G.O.P. Concocts New Fake Threat: Vote Fraud by Undocumented Immigrants​

Allowing illegals to vote in local elections is already a thing in several places. Why wouldn't they worry about its expansion geographically and to national elections?

Because that would be illegal.

 

[NOVA66]

G.O.P. Concocts New Fake Threat: Vote Fraud by Undocumented Immigrants​

Allowing illegals to vote in local elections is already a thing in several places. Why wouldn't they worry about its expansion geographically and to national elections?

They pay taxes and live in the US so why not

 

[NOVA66]

what a couple of dickhead governors...
-Peace

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They need to send them back to Texas and Arizona.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Agreed. I've had a number of neighborhood friends who've said they don't even walk past the polling places on election day, for fear of coming under any scrutiny. No undocumented person in their right mind would risk deportation for anything as unrewarding as casting a single ballot.

I've yet to see even legal immigrant hispanics vote at my polling place and the nearest town here in Indiana is 40 percent hispanic. I've been told one of the reasons is there is so much corruption in Mexico they don't trust the system enough to bother voting.

Pretty tough to vote illegally anyway as you have to be on a list and show I.D.

 

[MamboDervish]

I've yet to see even legal immigrant hispanics vote at my polling place and the nearest town here in Indiana is 40 percent hispanic. I've been told one of the reasons is there is so much corruption in Mexico they don't trust the system enough to bother voting.

Pretty tough to vote illegally anyway as you have to be on a list and show I.D.

Yeah - the notion that illegals are voting en masse is nothing short of ridiculous. Some of them spend their entire life's savings, and risk great hardship, just to get here. Risking deportation to pull a lever, or punch a chad?!!? Yikes!

Just because they're undocumented doesn't mean they're stupid.

 

[Minerva]

And if they did the Democrats certainly wouldn't have stopped them.

It's not one party's job to ensure election integrity, it is the job of the poll workers. However the GOP is passing laws to allow state legislators power of various elected polling officials and Secretary of State positions. So while I guess neither party is responsible for election integrity, one party is clearly trying to compromise it as we have had little election/balloting fraud in the past.

 

[jgarden47]

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G.O.P. Concocts New Fake Threat: Vote Fraud by Undocumented Immigrants​

1) The "RADICAL RIGHT" has created its own "MONSTER" - locked into feeding the "GRIEVANCE ADDICTION" of "MEMBERS of the TRUMP CULT," whereby the the leadership is now forced to invent a never ending supply of "CONSPIRACY THEORIES," to satisfy this "INSATIABLE" demand by its members for "RED MEAT!"

2) This continuous steam of "conspiracy theories, each more divorced from reality than the one that preceded it, has had the added advantage of keeping "LIBERALS" on the defensive - for every one that they spend the time and effort to "DEBUNK," 2 more spring up to replace it!

3) For those who have decided that, they will no longer feel constrained by the facts and truth, there can be "NO SHAME" when caught in a lie - because "TRUMPWORLD" has dedicated itself to following that "MACHIAVELLI'S DICTUM"

"THE ENDS (WILL ALWAYS) JUSTIFY THE MEANS!"

 

[LouC]

New? They've recycled that idiocy far too many times already.

True.

It will never, ever, ever go away.

It was a bigly claim with Donny Dip Shit.

Remember that whole 2017 so called "Election Integrity" agency he established to investigate the integrity of elections was, for a large part, based in his moronic and false belief that 3 to 5 million illegal immigrants had voted in the 2016 presidential election thus giving the majority of the popular vote to Lock Her Up Clinton.

 

[fmw]

They pay taxes and live in the US so why not

Because they aren't citizens.

 

[fmw]

Because that would be illegal.

And you suggest that government doesn't do anything illegal?