Fundamentalist Christians who oppose stem cell research (1 Viewer)

[TheHonestTruth]

See, if you are a fundamentalist Christian who opposes stem cell research with the regurgitated line: "it takes away innocent life"...you are retarded.

That argument makes no sense if you support any type of war we have ever had in our history. Fundamentalist christians accept that we must kill people and sacrifice our own to save the lives of many. Countless lives have been lost in wars that have made us what we are today, and our soldiers continue to give their lives with support of most fundamentalist Christians. Thus if you support war, you are also supporting the concept behind stem cell research - destroy some innocent life to save many, many more innocent lives.

I believe the real reason that stem cell research is not supported by most fundamentalist christians is that they also oppose abortion for a similar reason -- "it is the taking of a life" -- so when the stem cell debate appeared, this was just the linear statement they made to appear consistent. But as we see upon examination, it doesn't stand up to any sort of rational analysis. They are entirely contridicting themselves here. Wars kill innocent life to save the many, thats same goal we have with stem cell research.





And our "war president" Bush Jr. just vetoed the stem cell bill.


Oh the irony





(his only veto in 6 years of office!)


The republican dominated senate passed it by 2/3 vote. We shouldn't be stalling science when we could save millions of lives with this. On top of that the embryos used would be infertile embryos that we cannot turn into a human life anyway. :doh

 

[jennyb]

the embryos not used are destroyed...is that a horrible waste or what? just who does mr bush think he is telling us all what is moral and what is not...oh, but wait..i forgot, silly me...God speaks directly to him........ is that what makes him the all knowing mr morality? i dont agree with him on most things, and i really wish he wouldnt preach his morals as law...because when he does, obviously his morals become law........

he only used this veto to reign in his conservative christian base.......now THATS a very moral thing to do...use people for ones own gain...dont you think?????

 

[Sir_Alec]

Also, did you know you can use re-harvested organs that have no use for stem-cell research. No aborted fetuses are required for stem cell research.

 

[talloulou]

the embryos not used are destroyed...is that a horrible waste or what? just who does mr bush think he is telling us all what is moral and what is not...oh, but wait..i forgot, silly me...God speaks directly to him........ is that what makes him the all knowing mr morality? i dont agree with him on most things, and i really wish he wouldnt preach his morals as law...because when he does, obviously his morals become law........

he only used this veto to reign in his conservative christian base.......now THATS a very moral thing to do...use people for ones own gain...dont you think?????

Bush did not make stem cell research illegal. He didn't even make embryonic stem cell research illegal. Abortion isn't even illegal. I'd hardly say his morals are preached as law! :roll:

 

[StrawHat]

*Hits red sarcasm button*
I just love how everybody attacks Christians for stuff like this. Let's just kick them all out of the country and then everythign will be better.
*Hits sarcasm button again*

Seriously though, for the record, Christians both:

1. Want to help people who are sick
2. Value and wish to maintain human life

I don't see what is so difficult to understand in this. I personally don't know where I stand. If an embryo will be thrown away (not to say I think it should, but since that's how things operate), then I would rather it be used to help people. However, as Bush said, taking somehting living and making it non-living for the purpose os science is a slippery slope, and something that we as a country, shouldcertainlythink twice about. Just because we can, does not necessarily mean that we ought to.

I understand where many are coming from in that they don't see why we would hold back medical science. I have a bit off a background in research myself (I wouldn't presume to know as much as a career researcher, but i'm not ignorant either), and I feel that there are various methods that can still be explored to combat disease and other physical maladies.

And for the record, research is still being done, but by the private sector.

 

[Sir_Alec]

*Hits red sarcasm button*
I just love how everybody attacks Christians for stuff like this. Let's just kick them all out of the country and then everythign will be better.
*Hits sarcasm button again*

Seriously though, for the record, Christians both:

1. Want to help people who are sick
2. Value and wish to maintain human life

I don't see what is so difficult to understand in this. I personally don't know where I stand. If an embryo will be thrown away (not to say I think it should, but since that's how things operate), then I would rather it be used to help people. However, as Bush said, taking somehting living and making it non-living for the purpose os science is a slippery slope, and something that we as a country, shouldcertainlythink twice about. Just because we can, does not necessarily mean that we ought to.

I understand where many are coming from in that they don't see why we would hold back medical science. I have a bit off a background in research myself (I wouldn't presume to know as much as a career researcher, but i'm not ignorant either), and I feel that there are various methods that can still be explored to combat disease and other physical maladies.

And for the record, research is still being done, but by the private sector.

OK first of all not all embryo can be used for life so why not use them to save life if they will never make life on their own? Second of all you don't need embryos to do stem cell research which is something many people don't know, including Bush, which makes all people who oppose stem cell research retards.

 

[Monkey Mind]

OK first of all not all embryo can be used for life so why not use them to save life if they will never make life on their own? Second of all you don't need embryos to do stem cell research which is something many people don't know, including Bush, which makes all people who oppose stem cell research retards.

Clearly a post written in haste. Bush does not "oppose stem cell research". He is opposed to federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he hasn't cancelled any funding for adult stem cell research has he?

 

[StrawHat]

Well Sir Alec, I think that you can tell from my post that I am not opposed to using stem cells that would have been discarded for research. Also, I think it's rather clear that I was referring to embryonic stem cell research. As for calling all who oppose stem-cell research retards, that's rather immature I think. And you're right, you can do stem cell research without embryos, but the way that people harp on the issue, most people don't know that. So people who oppose stem cell research are generaly opposed to embryonic stem cell research, and don't know that there's a difference.

 

[Sir_Alec]

Well Sir Alec, I think that you can tell from my post that I am not opposed to using stem cells that would have been discarded for research. Also, I think it's rather clear that I was referring to embryonic stem cell research. As for calling all who oppose stem-cell research retards, that's rather immature I think. And you're right, you can do stem cell research without embryos, but the way that people harp on the issue, most people don't know that. So people who oppose stem cell research are generaly opposed to embryonic stem cell research, and don't know that there's a difference.

I don't use the word often but I think that its a good label for such close minded people.

 

[Sir_Alec]

Clearly a post written in haste. Bush does not "oppose stem cell research". He is opposed to federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he hasn't cancelled any funding for adult stem cell research has he?

Yes, you are correct and I understand, but in many speeches Bush is also vague on what he disapproves of. As long as he understands that I'm fine, but whats the point of wasting normally useless embryos. If they can't become life then allow them to save it.

 

[clone]

*Hits red sarcasm button*
I just love how everybody attacks Christians for stuff like this. Let's just kick them all out of the country and then everythign will be better.
*Hits sarcasm button again*

Seriously though, for the record, Christians both:

1. Want to help people who are sick
2. Value and wish to maintain human life

I don't see what is so difficult to understand in this. I personally don't know where I stand. If an embryo will be thrown away (not to say I think it should, but since that's how things operate), then I would rather it be used to help people. However, as Bush said, taking somehting living and making it non-living for the purpose os science is a slippery slope, and something that we as a country, shouldcertainlythink twice about. Just because we can, does not necessarily mean that we ought to.

I understand where many are coming from in that they don't see why we would hold back medical science. I have a bit off a background in research myself (I wouldn't presume to know as much as a career researcher, but i'm not ignorant either), and I feel that there are various methods that can still be explored to combat disease and other physical maladies.

And for the record, research is still being done, but by the private sector.

Hezbollah and Hamaas also "want to help people who are sick". They have built so many orphanages, hospitals, shelters etc. The Crusades killed millions of innocent lives. Bush's war on terror killed millions more, just as Hezbollah and Hamaas kill innocents.

i guess Christianity and Fanatic Muslims are pretty much the same.

 

[TheHonestTruth]

The problem with saying we shouldnt fund research is simple. We spend tax dollars on all sorts of pointless crap like drunken sailors. This should be one of the first areas of science we fund, and you say we shouldnt fund it period. China is waaay ahead of us on it already for this reason -- they fund it. We overspend and continue to spend money on pointless crap all the time. For example screw NASA space exploration, lets cut that budget to spend our money so we can speed up research on this potentially life saving technology.

 

[Sir_Alec]

The problem with saying we shouldnt fund research is simple. We spend tax dollars on all sorts of pointless crap like drunken sailors. This should be one of the first areas of science we fund, and you say we shouldnt fund it period. China is waaay ahead of us on it already for this reason -- they fund it. We overspend and continue to spend money on pointless crap all the time. For example screw NASA space exploration, lets cut that budget to spend our money so we can speed up research on this potentially life saving technology.

We can't shut down NASA because for every successful launch more money comes out of NASA than is put into it. Cutting NASA funding at such an important time in our history would be a mistake.

 

[Rhapsody1447]

Ah the myth grows larger.

Over the past 30 years not one single benefit has come from ESC research. It has produced nothing. It has treated nothing. The thing is, is that they keep running into some problems. One, the cells tend to be rejected by the immune system. Two, they tend to cause massive tumors in the recipient. The liberal lie continues that we are on the brink of curing Alzheimer's or Parkinsons, which makes us all desperate to throw money into this money-pit.

ASC research on the other-hand is flourishing.

• Rebuilt livers wracked by cirrhosis.
• Repaired spinal cord injuries.
• Putting Crohn disease, and lupus into remission.
• Repairing heart muscles in patients with certain degrees of heart failure.
• Restoring bone marrow using umbilical cord stem cells.
• Restoring blood circulation in the legs.
• Revesing SCID with modified adult stem cells.

The list goes on.

A lot of money has been poured into ASC research mainly by venture capitilasts knowing that someday it will be put into major practice in the medical field. ESC research on the other hand is left to suck at federal governments money-teat, because simply it is going nowhere.

Yet, we are continuingly under the impression that we are on the brink of discovery! People like the OP say "lol christians are retards cuz they are against SCIENCE." Science has been skewed so many times over the years by liberals, it comes as no suprise to see them at it again.

 

[FallingPianos]

I dont think it makes sense to compare stem cell research to war. in war, while innocent deaths is a certainty, the innocent are not the target.