From the Economist: Basically flawed

[dimensionallava]

Yes, so why the emphasis on spending 20% of the National Budget on the DoD, when we have far better venues for its expenditure to better American lives.

military industrial complex maybe?

A country needs "objectives", and the US has (every four years) a useless palaver between two camps fighting for control of the Nation's Purse! Every four years we spend a reckless amount of money to seek and select a PotUS. When, in fact, it is the Legislature that's equally important, and perhaps more so than the Executive.

midterm elections are lucky to get 33% voter participation, I dont see that changing anytime soon

Thus the neglect in voting by the American electorate is directly responsible for the economic mess we are in today. Given the manner in which voting is manipulated on the local level (gerrymandering), outcomes are often predictable.

thats mostly republicans, barney frank recently accused them of gerrymandering his district by putting more rich people in his district, and if you look at the map of some of them its obvious but sometimes in can be hard to tell

We never should have allowed the SubPrime Rate to create Toxic Waste that would trip our economy into the worst Recession since the 1930s. But at the time, we had a Replicant PotUS who would never dare touch the Wall Street Money-pump Mechanism that was making millionaires on a weekly basis. Nothing must change - that is axiomatic doctrine in the Replicant camp.

Neither did we collectively do anything whatsoever to prevent it! We believed like simpletons that our elected officials were looking after our "best interests". When, in fact, they were looking after their own. With the number of millionaires that we elect to Congress, why should Congress be concerned with a Financial system gone warped?

As long as it keeps the money-pump running, our Congressional millionaires are happy. From OpenSecrets.org: Millionaires’ Club: For First Time, Most Lawmakers are Worth $1 Million-Plus, excerpt:

What's happeing? This: Americans are so infatuated with riches that we keep electing the rich to run the country!

Which means what? This: It is not the least bit in their interests to change the status-quo of upper-income taxation, which is the single-most reason that they are rich. They have become America's "elite", and they intend the situation to stay exactly that way.[/SIZE]
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what about a wealth limit law for those in congress? anyone with more than 1 million in the bank cant be a congressmen? sound good?

 

[dimensionallava]

Because the attitude towards poverty derives from a political belief in societal fairness and not any God. If you search the subject (as I just did) all religions refer to (at the very least) pity for the poor. But for Jews and Christians there is nothing in the Ten Commandments stipulating behavior towards the poor.

thats not true theres satanism, wiccanism, as well as many pagan religions and various of forms shamanism would be excluded from that description, check out the celtic cult of the head

They cut off the heads of enemies slain in battle and attach them to the necks of their horses. The blood-stained spoils they hand over to their attendants and striking up a paean and singing a song of victory; and they nail up these first fruits upon their houses, just as do those who lay low wild animals in certain kinds of hunting. They embalm in cedar oil the heads of the most distinguished enemies, and preserve them carefully in a chest, and display them with pride to strangers, saying that for this head one of their ancestors, or his father, or the man himself, refused the offer of a large sum of money. They say that some of them boast that they refused the weight of the head in gold

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts#Head_hunting

The concept of fairness is born from a common sense that arises from the fact that humans band-together to live with one another. They must therefore both produce (goods/services that benefit one another) and protect the community against external physical-harm and the elements. From that fact historically a common belief was developed, which we call nowadays "religion" that some assume is the reason for our existence.

what your describing is social cohesion which almost all animals experience, not religion, religion is a byproduct of social cohesion, not "just another word for it"

The belief in a religion too evolves. Once it was sufficient to start wars, but that notion is no longer vogue. We accept that it is a right to select one's preference, but we don't ask anyone to die for it. (Except in some very backward places.)

Perhaps humanity has finally learned that it is far more beneficial to "live and let live"? Let's hope so ...
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The idea that people dont fight for religion anymore is ridiculous. Who is America fighting their largest war with right now? America is spending hundreds of billions to fight religious fundamentalism in the middle east, regardless of any sinister motives like oil money or their own christian dominion theory, they are fighting against religious fundamentalism. If they didn't reject that concept this war might never have started. Al queda attacked america for its liberalism its socialism and its communism, not its greed or its jesus

9/11 was an attack on americas liberalism not its conservatism

 

[Lafayette]

Nice reply.

Can't agree with all of it, but since this is an economics blog - moving right along ...
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[Lafayette]

... midterm elections are lucky to get 33% voter participation, I dont see that changing anytime soon

Well that prognosis will certainly comfort the Replicants. That's how they control Congress through the HofR.

... what about a wealth limit law for those in congress? anyone with more than 1 million in the bank cant be a congressmen? sound good?

It would probably not pass muster in the SC. Such limits are truly discriminatory regarding the right to vote and be elected. However, taxation of income is not off-limits. Not at all. There is simply insufficient will to do so in the US.

The problem is societal. That is, Americans (for whatever the reason historically) have become mind-boggled by riches. They salivate at the thought of "winning" a megabuck, and are kiss-assy to those who do. Which is little different from attitudes towards the rich that existed pre-Marx in Europe in the 19th century.

Europe, since, has learned a thing or two about exaggerated income.

Changing mentality in the US is going to take a long, long time. If the notion of Social Democracy is out-of-Europe, the reason is that the Europeans are far more attuned to the notion of Income Fairness.

That does not seem to be the case, at the moment. In the US Bernie has lit a candle; and we shall see if that candle can become a political bonfire ...
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[James972]

In the US Bernie has lit a candle; and we shall see if that candle can become a political bonfire ...
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HItler Stalin and Mao already lit that bonfire. Do you have any idea at all what happened? Bernie honeymooned in the USSR. Our liberals spied for Stalin and gave him the bomb while he was slowly starving 60 million to death!

 

[James972]

Which is little different from attitudes towards the rich that existed pre-Marx in Europe in the 19th century.

that's becuase today we know how much super rich folks like Jobs Gates Bezos Brin transform our lives with great new products and wish we could contribute as much as they do.

 

[Lafayette]

What makes you think all of these criticisms aren't because of christianity, rather than in spite of it?

It depends upon where you sit, the US or Europe.

The US has far more active religious practice than the EU. Most people in the EU take religion for granted, and their political views very often contradict those of any established religion. Especially Catholicism which is driven from the top down, unlike most other religions practiced.

The US never had a real monarchy in place. Europe did and most all were vested by the Catholic Church over time, which often led to warring conflict with the pontif in Rome; and in some countries monarchs were overthrown. In most others where it exists today in the EU, the monarchy is just a figurehead - window dressing.

Practiced religion is much less fervent in Europe than the US. From Study identifies worldwide rates of religiosity, church attendance; excerpt:

ANN ARBOR—Even though some Americans worship only once a year, weekly church attendance is higher in the United States than in any other nation at a comparable level of development, according to a worldwide study based at the University of Michigan.

Fully 44 percent of Americans attend church once a week, not counting funerals, christenings and baptisms, compared with 27 percent of people in Great Britain, 21 percent of the French, 4 percent of Swedes and 3 percent of Japanese.

Moreover, 53 percent of Americans say that religion is very important in their lives, compared with 16 percent, 14 percent, and 13 percent, respectively, of the British, French and Germans.

Different strokes for different folks, but one cannot disregard the influence of religious belief as regards political outlook in the US ... which is why most politicians pander to it. Still, if a Catholic can be elected PotUS, not all is hopeless - that is, religious belief does have an influence but not overwhelmingly. And yet, France has a had Jewish heads-of-state but never the US. Other EU countries as well - see here.

At present the belief that life begins in the womb is being tested in many US courts. In Europe, there is very little discussion as the matter was settled a long time ago. It is the woman's right to determine her destiny regardless of individual/personal circumstance.

All of which means that I don't think religion overwhelmingly influences politics anywhere, but neither can religion be dismissed outright politically ...
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[Lafayette]

Abortions legally permitted in Europe infographic:


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[James972]

Abortions legally permitted in Europe infographic:

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religion opposes abortion and the abortion culture which holds that you should have sex with strangers and kill the children that result. Religion supports having sex with someone you love, forming a loving family, and loving the children that result. Exact opposites.

 

[dimensionallava]

Well that prognosis will certainly comfort the Replicants. That's how they control Congress through the HofR.

thats why they get more votes, because young people, women and african american voter turnout drops in the midterm, the youth vote in the American midterm elections barely gets above 20%. It is less a sinister plot on behalf of the benefiting party (the republicans), but more of a factor of median age skyrocketing upwards during those elections, due to apathy . It also shows how "freedom to vote" is an antiquated philosophy akin to freedom from quartering soldiers.

It would probably not pass muster in the SC. Such limits are truly discriminatory regarding the right to vote and be elected. However, taxation of income is not off-limits. Not at all. There is simply insufficient will to do so in the US.

an income limit specifically for congressmen? I think if you did a gallup poll you would find 99% approval rating amongst americans, for that.

The problem is societal. That is, Americans (for whatever the reason historically) have become mind-boggled by riches. They salivate at the thought of "winning" a megabuck, and are kiss-assy to those who do. Which is little different from attitudes towards the rich that existed pre-Marx in Europe in the 19th century.

Europe, since, has learned a thing or two about exaggerated income.

Have they? weve recently seen the Brexit vote, the rise of such wonderful characters as marine le penn, golden dawn, pegida, SDU, lega nord, jobbik and these are just the domestics what about their international cartels all over the word, in africa, south america, in asia, in the west indies no less.

Changing mentality in the US is going to take a long, long time. If the notion of Social Democracy is out-of-Europe, the reason is that the Europeans are far more attuned to the notion of Income Fairness.

That does not seem to be the case, at the moment. In the US Bernie has lit a candle; and we shall see if that candle can become a political bonfire ...
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Bernie sanders is a 79 year old relic of the old so-called "new left" I'm surprised he didn't die from old age on the campaign trail, I dont think he "sparked" anything more than ralph nader did. He ran a similarly cult like campaign that wouldve been a non starter if it wan't for his eagle scout looking resume. What coalilton did he build? who will replace him when he's gone? who is running in the senate or is even being groomed to run in the next midterm elections?... nobody

 

[dimensionallava]

It depends upon where you sit, the US or Europe.

The US has far more active religious practice than the EU. Most people in the EU take religion for granted, and their political views very often contradict those of any established religion. Especially Catholicism which is driven from the top down, unlike most other religions practiced.

The US never had a real monarchy in place. Europe did and most all were vested by the Catholic Church over time, which often led to warring conflict with the pontif in Rome; and in some countries monarchs were overthrown. In most others where it exists today in the EU, the monarchy is just a figurehead - window dressing.

not only does america lack a history of a monarchy or influence from a religious leader like the pope, but it lacks a cohesive national identity, even the racist US constitution, by establishing that all white men have a right to vote they meant all englishmen frenchmen germans and jews could vote. Therefore what makes someone an American figure, is left intentionally vague, unlike most monarchies who worship a prince or king of somekind, as being "the perfect male", or fascists who idolize a racial pure male with strong historical ties to national ancestry. In the USA the perfect male (if there is one) is just sort of a vaguely white most likely christian of somekind figure, this is all they have to rally for... or against.

It's why when Trotsky made a speech in the bronx and he addressed the crowd as "workers and peasants of the bronx" he met with so much confusion lol

Practiced religion is much less fervent in Europe than the US. From Study identifies worldwide rates of religiosity, church attendance; excerpt:

Different strokes for different folks, but one cannot disregard the influence of religious belief as regards political outlook in the US ... which is why most politicians pander to it. Still, if a Catholic can be elected PotUS, not all is hopeless - that is, religious belief does have an influence but not overwhelmingly. And yet, France has a had Jewish heads-of-state but never the US. Other EU countries as well - see here.

America has had plenty of jewish atheist and muslim heads of state? maybe not presidents but governors, senators, supreme court judges. THe original founders were agnostics and deists. There was a problem with JFK being catholic but that was more racism against the irish, that was common at the time, rather than any kind of religious issue, it was the same as the racist attacks against obama for being muslim, it didn't even matter that he wasn't. The fact is JFK couldve converted and they still wouldve said "boo irishman" because it had nothing to do with religon, it was an ethnic and racial thing

At present the belief that life begins in the womb is being tested in many US courts. In Europe, there is very little discussion as the matter was settled a long time ago. It is the woman's right to determine her destiny regardless of individual/personal circumstance.

All of which means that I don't think religion overwhelmingly influences politics anywhere, but neither can religion be dismissed outright politically ...

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the lack of abortion laws and the amount of gay rights in europe is definitely a sign of a rise in atheism/agnosticism across the continent, but whats more horrifying than that is the amount of creationists here in america. 42% beleive in creationsim, walking talking grown up human beings that believe the earth was created 10,000 years ago and that evolution is a lie crafted by the devil

 

[Lafayette]

FREEMASONRY

THe original founders were agnostics and deists.

I don't think so. Washington DC is so filled with Masonic Symbols, I am sure that the leaders (mostly Freemasons) were deists. (See some compelling evidence here: Freemasonry and the Founding Fathers. Whilst in France, which supported the revolutionary side, this was happening: Freemasons in the French Revolution.)

From here, excerpt:

Although American elites initially joined the Freemasons with the intention of mimicking English genteel behavior, the organization ultimately contributed to the development of the American Revolution. During the revolutionary era, masons of note included George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, Samuel Adams, Richard Henry Lee, John Hancock, and James Madison. These men and other leading revolutionaries used masonic lodges as gathering places to discuss the relevant issues of the day, network with likeminded individuals, and plan resistance against unpopular British policies.

The American Revolution presaged the French Revolution. And the above seems to indicate that there was, indeed, a relationship between the two and it may have been via Freemasonry.

Mind you, I am simply stating a supposition*. I am not a Freemason ...

*And, if interested in seeing where Freemasons met, when in Paris, go to a restaurant in the Quartier Latin, Le Procope. There you will see a sign attributing the fact that Benjamin Franklin ate there very often meeting with friends prominent in the French Revolution.
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[Lafayette]

Bernie sanders is a 79 year old relic of the old so-called "new left" I'm surprised he didn't die from old age on the campaign trail, I dont think he "sparked" anything more than ralph nader did. He ran a similarly cult like campaign that wouldve been a non starter if it wan't for his eagle scout looking resume. What coalilton did he build? who will replace him when he's gone? who is running in the senate or is even being groomed to run in the next midterm elections?... nobody

Were it not for Bernie in the Congressional Progressive Congress, who on the Left was prepared to do what he did? And he is the ONLY Senator in the CPC! No Democrat in the CPC budged to give him hand except to wish him well. (Your remarks about him being old, show inherent naiveness.)

For the Left to have any ultimate preponderance in the US, it has to convince the Middle-class, not the Lower-class that it already has in its pocket. Convincing the Middle-class is little more than making people understand that they can have better, more decent standard of living if the government does the right things.

Things like this:
*First of all, increase taxation on the far-too-rich to pay for expenditures that will allow for a universal National Health System (that mandates fees, taking the matter out of the hands of Insurance Company profiteers). Then,
*Get the high-school graduates up to a higher standard allowing more of them to graduate from a Tertiary Education - that also will be free, gratis and for nothing, and
*Diminish the fat in the DoD-budget in order to transfer the funds to help pay for it. (Guns or butter, guns or butter.)

The projects above are related, because we are obliged to pay for a monolithic, privatized HealthCare that must be cut down to size - HC-costs in America are twice the per capita the EU cost (with universal National HeathCare Systems). We can spend the savings on Tertiary Education that allows students to pay very, very low-cost schooling. Most of the EU-countries have free or nearly free postsecondary institutes of learning - from vocational to doctorate programs, the canvass is so very wide.

It's either that or we Yanks keep gorging ourselves with food, becoming obese, which invites sicknesses, shorten lifespans and generally costs us a fortune; or we lower those costs and with the savings offer free Tertiary Education. This latter will assure our children the skills/competencies that this New Information Age will require.

Or, the American economy has two alternatives - it can rise to the challenge or sink simply into the morass just as the Roman Empire did.

The above scenarios are are to chose, and not choosing leads inevitably to the second alternative ...
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[James972]

*First of all, increase taxation on the far-too-rich to pay for expenditures that will allow for a universal National Health System

obviously if universal health care and universal food, clothing, and shelter worked it would not have slowly impoverished and then starved 120 million human souls to death in USSR and Red China. A liberal is actually so completely stupid and anti-science he will look at Cuba, and Florida and advocate Cuba's system.

 

[James972]

*Get the high-school graduates up to a higher standard allowing more of them to graduate from a Tertiary Education - that also will be free, gratis and for nothing, and

liberal scum unions took over and having been trying and failing for 40 years to get them "up to a higher standard". The way to do it is the Republican way, with capitalism and vouchers. The parents decide what schools are worth paying for, the weak schools die off!!

 

[dimensionallava]

I don't think so. Washington DC is so filled with Masonic Symbols, I am sure that the leaders (mostly Freemasons) were deists. (See some compelling evidence here: Freemasonry and the Founding Fathers. Whilst in France, which supported the revolutionary side, this was happening: Freemasons in the French Revolution.)

agnostics is just another word deists, freemason lodges were essentially secularist labor unions, there is no "guiding philosophy" of freemasonry besides brotherhood and honesty things like that, they used to be "secret club" because denying the existence of god was an execution worthy offense in most of europe, but nowadays theyre mostly the focus of online neonazis, conspiracy theorists, and ISIS propagandists. .

From here, excerpt:

The American Revolution presaged the French Revolution. And the above seems to indicate that there was, indeed, a relationship between the two and it may have been via Freemasonry.

Mind you, I am simply stating a supposition*. I am not a Freemason ...

*And, if interested in seeing where Freemasons met, when in Paris, go to a restaurant in the Quartier Latin, Le Procope. There you will see a sign attributing the fact that Benjamin Franklin ate there very often meeting with friends prominent in the French Revolution.
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there is definitely a connection between enlightenment era figures of America and france, they were socialists, the same people who marx studied and drew influence from inspired benjamin franklin and the like, but the connection between the USA and france militarily was more due to an alliance against england, rather than any secret connection to freemasonry, hell even if there was, the freemasons bear no influence in america today, theyre more of a social club, theyre "secret handshakes" are available for free on their website lol

 

[dimensionallava]

Were it not for Bernie in the Congressional Progressive Congress, who on the Left was prepared to do what he did? And he is the ONLY Senator in the CPC! No Democrat in the CPC budged to give him hand except to wish him well. (Your remarks about him being old, show inherent naiveness.)

What do you mean do what he did? he didnt do anything? hell be forgotten in a few years, if bernie was different he could point to 10 or 15 people that he would promote he would start a 3rd party or demsoc coalition of some kind, he didnt even do that he just wobbled himself up on a few stages with the same "blah blah 1% America, jobs, taxes blah blah" that every democrat does, if bernie sanders were to be hospitalized and couldnt run for president who would he have us vote for? if the answer is only hillary clinton than i would have to ask why did he bother running in the first place, maybe he purposefully wanted give the illusion that hilldog had some competition eh?? :shock: lol

either way he has no radical leftist beliefs whatsoever in denmark he would be considered a moderate at best, also I didnt know he was the only senator left in the CPC but that kind of proves my point, since now that hes retiring there wont be a single so-called "progressive democrat" left in the senate, and maybe finally the democratic party will give up pretending to be a "progressive" party in any sense of the word

For the Left to have any ultimate preponderance in the US, it has to convince the Middle-class, not the Lower-class that it already has in its pocket. Convincing the Middle-class is little more than making people understand that they can have better, more decent standard of living if the government does the right things.

before the Left has any "ultimate preponderance' in the US, it would have to exist first, there is no leftism in USA.

Things like this:
*First of all, increase taxation on the far-too-rich to pay for expenditures that will allow for a universal National Health System (that mandates fees, taking the matter out of the hands of Insurance Company profiteers). Then,
*Get the high-school graduates up to a higher standard allowing more of them to graduate from a Tertiary Education - that also will be free, gratis and for nothing, and
*Diminish the fat in the DoD-budget in order to transfer the funds to help pay for it. (Guns or butter, guns or butter.)

The projects above are related, because we are obliged to pay for a monolithic, privatized HealthCare that must be cut down to size - HC-costs in America are twice the per capita the EU cost (with universal National HeathCare Systems). We can spend the savings on Tertiary Education that allows students to pay very, very low-cost schooling. Most of the EU-countries have free or nearly free postsecondary institutes of learning - from vocational to doctorate programs, the canvass is so very wide.

or we could violently overthrow the means of production... both are goods ideas

It's either that or we Yanks keep gorging ourselves with food, becoming obese, which invites sicknesses, shorten lifespans and generally costs us a fortune; or we lower those costs and with the savings offer free Tertiary Education. This latter will assure our children the skills/competencies that this New Information Age will require.

Or, the American economy has two alternatives - it can rise to the challenge or sink simply into the morass just as the Roman Empire did.

The above scenarios are are to chose, and not choosing leads inevitably to the second alternative ...
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whats so wrong with a fat bloated America sinking into the morass for a bit? just for a little while?

 

[Lafayette]

What do you mean do what he did?

You didn't even go looking? People like you expect EVERYTHING handed to them on a platter:
*Making the Wealthy, Wall Street, and Large Corporations Pay their Fair Share
Excerpt (all damn fine ideas!):

AS PRESIDENT, SEN. SANDERS WILL FIGHT FOR A PROGRESSIVE ESTATE TAX THAT WILL:
Exempt the first $3.5 million of an individual’s estate from the estate tax.
This plan would only impact the wealthiest 0.3 percent of Americans who inherit more than $3.5 million. 99.7 percent of Americans would not see their taxes go up by one penny under this plan.

Establish a new progressive estate tax rate structure as follows:
45 percent on the value of an estate between $3.5 million and $10 million.
50 percent for the value of an estate between $10 million and $50 million.
55 percent for the value of an estate in excess of $50 million.
Include an additional billionaire’s surtax of 10 percent.
According to Forbes Magazine, there are only about 530 billionaires in the United States out of a population of 320 million, making them the wealthiest 0.0002 percent of America. These are the only Americans who would pay the billionaires’ surtax under this plan.

End tax breaks for dynasty trusts.
Billionaires like Sheldon Adelson and the Walton family, who own the majority of Walmart, have for decades manipulated the rules for trusts to pass fortunes from one generation to the next without paying estate or gift taxes.

Specifically, Senator Sanders plan would:
-Strengthen the “generation-skipping tax”, which is designed to prevent avoidance of estate and gift taxes, by applying it with no exclusion to any trust set up to last more than 50 years.
-Prevent abuses of grantor retained annuity trusts (GRATs) by barring donors from taking assets back from these trusts just a couple of years after establishing them to avoid gift taxes (while earnings on the assets are left to heirs tax-free).
-The lawyer who invented this technique for the Walton’s claims it has cost the Treasury $100 billion since 2000.

Prevent wealthy families from avoiding gifts taxes by paying income taxes on earnings generated by assets in “grantor trusts.” Sharply limit the annual exclusion from the gift tax (which was meant to shield the normal giving done around holidays and birthdays from tax and record-keeping requirements) for gifts made to trusts.

Close other loopholes in the estate and gift tax, including valuation discounts.

*Bernie Sanders on Tax Reform

*Bernie Sanders on Economic Inequality

Enjoy the elucidation!

bernie was different he could point to 10 or 15 people that he would promote he would start a 3rd party or demsoc coalition of some kind, he didnt even do that he just wobbled himself up on a few stages with the same "blah blah 1% America, jobs

Bernie started something on which progressives can build. You were expecting Magic Miracles overnight? In the US? Or that "other planet" on which you live?

So, instead of letting your fingers do the crabbing, get off your duff and help bring about change ...
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[Lafayette]

hell even if there was, the freemasons bear no influence in america today, theyre more of a social club, theyre "secret handshakes" are available for free on their website

I should hope so, because in conjunction with the French National School of Administrators (yes, just for those destined for administrating whatever) they have a strong influence on governance of the nation. In fact, France should do away with that particular school.

The singular division between French and American mentalities is our disregard for monarchies, where as in France, even if there is no French King/Queen, there is far too high respect for any "hierarchy". Which means decisions, even wrong, are implemented once made at the top. When those decisions don't work, everybody is quick to add "Well, it wasn't me who made it, it was (someone else)!"

Which is French politics today. The country is in Deep, Deep Sneakers and all the politicians are blaming one another.

Which is tantamount to a massive cop-out of the entire French political class ...
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[dimensionallava]

You didn't even go looking? People like you expect EVERYTHING handed to them on a platter:
*Making the Wealthy, Wall Street, and Large Corporations Pay their Fair Share
Excerpt (all damn fine ideas!):

*Bernie Sanders on Tax Reform

*Bernie Sanders on Economic Inequality

Enjoy the elucidation!



Bernie started something on which progressives can build. You were expecting Magic Miracles overnight? In the US? Or that "other planet" on which you live?

So, instead of letting your fingers do the crabbing, get off your duff and help bring about change ...
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those are all proposals, things he might've done had he gotten elected, and now he never will do any of those things, so in the end what did he actually do?

 

[dimensionallava]

I should hope so, because in conjunction with the French National School of Administrators (yes, just for those destined for administrating whatever) they have a strong influence on governance of the nation. In fact, France should do away with that particular school.

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Whats the French National School of Administrators, and what do they have to do with the Freemasons?

 

[James972]

Which is French politics today.

most importantly its moronic socialist and socialism destroys everyone's interest in working. Make sense?