From Nazi Germany to the Muslim Brotherhood to al-Qaeda. (1 Viewer)

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The term Islamic-Fascism is quite accurate as it turns out:

The Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis and Al-Qaeda

Let me give you an example. This year a friend of mine from the CIA, named Bob Baer wrote a very good book about Saudi Arabia and terrorism, it's called Sleeping with the Devil. I read the book and I got about a third of the way through and I stopped. Bob was writing how when he worked for the CIA how bad the files were.

He said, for example, the files for the Muslim Brotherhood were almost nothing. There were just a few newspaper clippings. I called Bob up and said, “Bob, that's wrong. The CIA has enormous files on the Muslim Brotherhood, volumes of them. I know because I read them a quarter of a century ago.” He said, “What do you mean?”

Here's how you can find all of the missing secrets about the Muslim Brotherhood -- and you can do this, too. I said, “Bob, go to your computer and type in two words into the search part. Type the word “Banna,” B-a-n-n-a. He said, “Yeah.” Type in “Nazi.” Bob typed the two words in, and out came 30 to 40 articles from around the world. He read them and called me back and said, “Oh my gosh, what have we done?”

What I'm doing today is doing what I'm doing now: I'm educating a new generation in the CIA that the Muslim Brotherhood was a fascist organization that was hired by Western intelligence that evolved over time into what we today know as al-Qaeda.

Here's how the story began. In the 1920's there was a young Egyptian named al Bana. And al Bana formed this nationalist group called the Muslim Brotherhood. Al Bana was a devout admirer of Adolph Hitler and wrote to him frequently. So persistent was he in his admiration of the new Nazi Party that in the 1930's, al-Bana and the Muslim Brotherhood became a secret arm of Nazi intelligence.
The Arab Nazis had much in common with the new Nazi doctrines. They hated Jews; they hated democracy; and they hated the Western culture. It became the official policy of the Third Reich to secretly develop the Muslim Brotherhood as the fifth Parliament, an army inside Egypt.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15344

NOTE: Skipped alot read it it's important:

But the Egyptians became nervous. Nasser ordered all of the Muslim Brotherhood out of Egypt or be imprisoned, and we would execute them all. During the 1950's, the CIA evacuated the Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood to Saudi Arabia. Now when they arrived in Saudi Arabia, some of the leading lights of the Muslim Brotherhood like Azzam, became the teachers in the Madrasas, the religious schools. And there they combined the doctrines of Nazism with this weird Islamic cult, Wahhabiism.

For the Saudis, there was a ruler in charge of Saudi Arabia, and they were the new home of the Muslim Brotherhood, and fascism and extremism were mingled in these schools. And there was a young student who paid attention - - and Azzam's student was named Osama Bin Ladin. Osama Bin Ladin was taught by the Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood who had emigrated to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15344

 

[AndrewC]

Is this the same group?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4554986.stm


The above articles say that they are against violence and support democracy.

 

[cnredd]

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Moved to the more appropriate forum...

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[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Is this the same group?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4554986.stm


The above articles say that they are against violence and support democracy.

The Muslim Brotherhood does not support Democracy nor are they against violence. Your artilce is wrong. The Muslim Brotherhoods ideology is one of radicalized Islam, anti-semetism, and Fascism. They are the precurosors of all modern Islamic terrorist organizations who draw heavily on their themes and views.

 

[Davo]

The Muslim Brotherhood does not support Democracy nor are they against violence. Your artilce is wrong. The Muslim Brotherhoods ideology is one of radicalized Islam, anti-semetism, and Fascism. They are the precurosors of all modern Islamic terrorist organizations who draw heavily on their themes and views.

Christian Science Monitor

The christians dont agree with ya bub....:|

In Egypt, the risk from the Muslim Brotherhood is that if it gained enough power, some fear it could do away with the secular state, as happened in Iran. Although the Brotherhood long ago renounced violence, defines itself as moderate, and says it respects the ballot box, it also supports the establishment of Islamic law, or sharia.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Christian Science Monitor

The christians dont agree with ya bub....:|

I don't care Sayyid Qutb is one of the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood he also came up with the idea of Jahillya, the Christain science monitor needs to check their facts because the Muslim Brotherhood is an offshoot of Nazi intelligence which after the war was employed by MI-6 and the CIA during the cold war to fight the Soviets who had, also, started forming Islamic-Marxist organiztions, the Muslim Brotherhood through the years and through contacts with other radical sects; such as, Wahhabism morphed into other groups; such as, al-Qaeda and Hezbollah.

 

[Davo]

I don't care Sayyid Qutb is one of the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood he also came up with the idea of Jahillya, the Christain science monitor needs to check their facts because the Muslim Brotherhood is an offshoot of Nazi intelligence employed through the CIA to fight the Soviets that through the years and through contacts with other radical sects; such as, Wahhabism morphed into other groups; such as, al-Qaeda and Hammas.

Al Jazeera doesnt agree with ya bub...

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9074DB42-49F9-4FCE-B503-C1DADAB41027.htm

They ELECTED a new leader....isnt that democracy?

Islamic state

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Egyptian schoolteacher Hasan al-Banna.

It turned into a political group from 1939 with the principle aim of social and moral reform based upon Islam.

Historically, the Brotherhood has been both close to the government and banned and persecuted by it.

From 1984 it has been accepted as a religious group, but under heavy control by the secular government.

It now disavows violence and campaigns for political change through peaceful means.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Al Jazeera doesnt agree with ya bub...

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9074DB42-49F9-4FCE-B503-C1DADAB41027.htm

They ELECTED a new leader....isnt that democracy?

Well Al-Jazeera needs to check their facts as well, don't quote Al-Jazeera around here partna you'll get laughed off this site.

The Muslim Brotherhood is an organization whose radical ideology has entered into every crevace of the Middle East.

Type in these words: Banna, the Grand Mufti and Nazi that's B-A-N-N-A M-U-F-T-I AND N-A-Z-I then get back to me.

I'm not making this **** up the author of that article is a former Federal Prosecutor who represents many former members of the intel community for free so they can get attorney-client privlige so that he can speak of classified intel.

 

[MSgt]

Al Jazeera doesnt agree with ya bub...

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9074DB42-49F9-4FCE-B503-C1DADAB41027.htm

They ELECTED a new leader....isnt that democracy?

:roll: Perhaps you should pay less attention to the propaganda machine that keeps the oppressed populations in the Middle East comfortable within their lives and more to actual historical facts....

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Hassan al Banna. A man named Sayyid Qutb was an Egyptian intellectual, author, and Islamist associated with the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. He is best known for his theoretical work on redefining the role of Islamic fundamentalism in social and political change. He is known as the father of modern-day Radical Islam. His extensive Quranic commentary Fi zilal al-Qur'an has contributed significantly to modern perceptions of Islamic concepts such as jihad, jahiliyyah, and umma. He was accused of plotting to overthrow the state of Egypt and executed by hanging in 1966 by Egypt.

Qutb's brother, Muhammad Qutb, moved to Saudi Arabia where he became a professor of Islamic Studies. The influence of Qutb and his work extends across the whole spectrum of Islamism and is seen across the Middle East. One of Muhammad Qutb's students and an ardent follower was Ayman Zawahiri, who later became the mentor of Osama bin Laden. His teachings has indeed been deep rooted in Saudi Arabia and has been adopted by the "House of Saud," the true lords of terror, as a means to oppress and control their people. (I find their current efforts of running around the Saudi desert chasing down their own fundamentals as poetic justice.)

Their foundation belief of the Muslim Brotherhood is that "Allah is our objective and the Prophet is our leader. Qu’ran is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope." The vast majority of terrorists are members. They live within a sea of fundamentals full of futureless youth. At age 8, the combatant begins to read and learn the Qu’ran and the place of women. At age 12 he reads the Qu’ran several hours per day as the father indoctrinates him into the faith. At age 18 he has memorized the entire Qu’ran and after age 18 he comes to America and other countries as a member of the Brotherhood.




Incidentally, during the riots last year, Mouloud Dahmani told the French government that he could subside the violence if he could establish a Muslim Brotherhood organization in France - even France knew enough to say, "Hell no."

 

[Davo]

Well Al-Jazeera needs to check their facts as well, don't quote Al-Jazeera around here partna you'll get laughed off this site.

The Muslim Brotherhood is an organization whose radical ideology has entered into every crevace of the Middle East.

Type in these words: Banna, the Grand Mufti and Nazi that's B-A-N-N-A M-U-F-T-I AND N-A-Z-I then get back to me.

Oh tu parle creole patna? Sac passé mon ami? Meci pour tes belles mots. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem....How come news sources...with more ressources then you...have to check their facts?

2 different news sources saying the same thing....and yet you still say the same things...have you guys ever heard of the so called secret organizations that run the U.S.? I'm refering to that one...ummm skull and bones...

Both U.S. President George W. Bush and Senator John Kerry are members of Skull and Bones.

Bush reportedly appointed 11 Skull and Bones members to his Administration in his first term. Their names are Evan Griffith Galbraith (S&B 1950), William H. Donaldson (S&B 1953), George Herbert Walker III (S&B 1953), Jack Edwin McGregor (S&B 1956), Victor Ashe (S&B 1967), Roy Leslie Austin (S&B 1968), Robert McCallum, Jr. (S&B 1968), Rex Cowdry (S&B 1968), Edward E. McNally (S&B 1979), David Batshaw Wiseman (S&B 1984), and James Emanuel Boasberg (S&B 1985) [2]

Various U.S. Senators and Congressmen have been members of Skull and Bones, the following list includes a few bonesmen who served as U.S. Congressman: Thomas W. L. Ashley (S&B 1948), Jonathan Brewster Bingham (S&B 1936), David Boren (S&B 1963), Frank B. Brandegee (S&B 1885), James Buckley (S&B 1944), Prescott Bush (S&B 1917), John Chaffee (S&B 1947), LeBaron Bradford Colt (S&B 1868), John Sherman Cooper (S&B 1923), Chauncey Depew (S&B 1856), William Maxwell Evarts (S&B 1837), Orris S. Ferry (S&B 1844), Richard Jacobs Haldeman (S&B 1851), Stephen Wright Kellogg (S&B 1846), John Forbes Kerry (S&B 1967), Thruston Ballard Morton (S&B 1954) and Robert A. Taft I (S&B 1910).

The following members of Skull and Bones served as Secretaries of Commerce. President Reagan appointed Malcolm Baldridge, while President Truman appointed William Averell Harriman. Rogers Morton, the brother of Thruston B. Morton (S&B 1954) served both as Secretary of the Interior and Secretary of Commerce. Both he and his brother Thruston served as Chairman of the Republican Party, Thruston from 1959 to 1961 and Rogers from 1969 to 1971. As noted in the above paragraph both Rogers and Thruston served as U.S. Senators. Rogers would also serve in the House of Representatives.

All these guys are part of that organisation...:| Doesnt this organisation kinda ressemble the muslim brotherhood? :|

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Oh tu parle creole patna? Sac passé mon ami? Meci pour tes belles mots. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem....ok it says nothing about the Muslim Brotherhood...
How come news sources...with more ressources then you...have to check their facts? I think O'Rilley needs to do that a bit more.

Try reading the article that I posted that will help you gain a little more perspective, it started with Banna and the Grand Mufti they formed the ideology that would influence Qutb and the formation of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood was formed by a collective of former Islamic Nazi supporters set up by British intelligence and the CIA to use against the Soviets during the cold war it is this intelligence network that has morphed into the Al-Qaeda that we know today.

 

[MSgt]

Try reading the article that I posted that will help you gain a little more perspective, it started with Banna and the Grand Mufti they formed the ideology that would influence Qutb and the formation of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood was formed by a collective of former Islamic Nazi supporters set up by British intelligence and the CIA to use against the Soviets during the cold war it is this intelligence network that has morphed into the Al-Qaeda that we know today.

Yep, the "Cold War" was a very strange time.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Yep, the "Cold War" was a very strange time.

Yep the Soviets aren't innocent in this either they formed Marxist/Islamic organizations that blended Communism and Islam these organizations went on to start the Iranian revolution against the Shaw.

 

[MSgt]

Yep the Soviets aren't innocent in this either they formed Marxist/Islamic organizations that blended Communism and Islam these organizations went on to start the Iranian revolution against the Shaw.

Well, most of the element involved with that had to do with Khomeini and Islam.

 

[Davo]

Try reading the article that I posted that will help you gain a little more perspective, it started with Banna and the Grand Mufti they formed the ideology that would influence Qutb and the formation of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood was formed by a collective of former Islamic Nazi supporters set up by British intelligence and the CIA to use against the Soviets during the cold war it is this intelligence network that has morphed into the Al-Qaeda that we know today.

Ok...here's what I dont understand...Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood...are now 2 different things...The Muslim Hood(as stated by 2 different sources...(one muslim and one christian)....has renounced to violence...Why are you grouping them together?...thats like saying..."Since African Americans are descendants of Africans...they're still using drums as a means of communication over great distances"..You're grouping two different organisations together...

My local pastor wishes the goverment was more christian about abortion/justice/politics...does that make him a christian-facist?

 

[MSgt]

Ok...here's what I dont understand...Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood...are now 2 different things...The Muslim Hood(as stated by 2 different sources...(one muslim and one christian)....has renounced to violence...Why are you grouping them together?...thats like saying..."Since African Americans are descendants of Africans...they're still using drums as a means of communication over great distances"..You're grouping two different organisations together...

My local pastor wishes the goverment was more christian about abortion/justice/politics...does that make him a christian-facist?

Where are you getting this? The vast majority of Islamic terrorists are members of the Muslim Brotherhood. What is a "Christian Muslim Brotherhood?"

 

[justone]

the Soviets aren't innocent in this either ....

Let me whisper to your ear: the Soviets ARE NOT... hash.. innocent.. hash

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Ok...here's what I dont understand...Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood...are now 2 different things...The Muslim Hood(as stated by 2 different sources...(one muslim and one christian)....has renounced to violence...Why are you grouping them together?...thats like saying..."Since African Americans are descendants of Africans...they're still using drums as a means of communication over great distances"..You're grouping two different organisations together...

It's because they are not two different organizations, they are the same organization under two different names. Terrorist organizations; such as, al-Qaeda and Hammas are like branches on the tree but the Muslim Brotherhood is the root from which all of those branches grow out of.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Well, most of the element involved with that had to do with Khomeini and Islam.

Ya but Khomeini had the backing of the Islamic/Marxists . . . atleast at first.

 

[Davo]

Where are you getting this? The vast majority of Islamic terrorists are members of the Muslim Brotherhood. What is a "Christian Muslim Brotherhood?"

You didnt read my post right the two sources I was refering to...
the muslim one (Al-Jazeera) the christian one(CSmonitor) never ment to make it sound like I was talking about a Christ-Musl-Brotherhood.

 

[MSgt]

You didnt read my post right the two sources I was refering to...
the muslim one (Al-Jazeera) the christian one(CSmonitor) never ment to make it sound like I was talking about a Christ-Musl-Brotherhood.

Oh...I see.