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http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/07/france.terror.reut/
French PM rejects 'war on terror'
OR “The French…being ‘French’!”

They just don’t get it! :doh

PARIS, France (Reuters) -- France issued an implicit criticism of U.S. foreign policy on Thursday, rejecting talk of a "war on terror."

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, speaking in parliament, expressed these views on global terrorism, while President Jacques Chirac backed France's claims to the international front rank with a fresh defense of his country's nuclear arsenal.


"Against terrorism, what's needed is not a war. It is, as France has done for many years, a determined fight based on vigilance at all times and effective cooperation with our partners.”

Translation: ‘We French detest ‘war’, which is why we usually just avoid it by surrendering right away! We believe in letting others fight for us, like the Americans for example, and criticize them for doing so while we create the illusion that we are actually doing something, like sending 200 Engineers into Lebanon instead of any soldiers who are really required to create a buffer zone and end the violence there.’

"But we will only end this curse if we also fight against injustice, violence and these crises."

Translation: ‘This ‘War on Terror’ is not a military issue but a police matter!’ :shock:
-- Hmmm, where have I heard that before? Oh yeah! John Kerry during his Presidential Campaign!
-- How exactly do you fight ‘injustice’, especially when you are partners with the U.N./criminals helping run Black Marketing to support Hussein, breaking every sanction against Iraq over a 12 year period, and stealing oil money from the Iraqis who are being raped, tortured, and murdered by their own leader?
-- End the violence?! How are you going to do that when you are unwilling to fight? Islamic Extremists have declared they want to behead/kill all Non-Muslims in the entire world!
-- ‘These Crises’: So, France is telling Israel that military action is NOT the answer to terrorists, who have infested/enslaved a neighboring country, conducting hundreds of suicide bombings each year, conducting cross-border raids to kidnap 1 to 2 of your troops to blackmail you into exchanging those troops for hundreds of terrorists being held in jail for attacking or planning attacks against you?!

"It is the duty of France and Europe to show that the clash of civilizations is not inevitable," he said. "No one retains this wisdom, inherited from our history, as we, French and Europeans, do."

TRANSLATION: Despite the declarations of war by Islamic Extremists individuals (OBL), terrorists groups (Hezbollah, PLO, HAMAS, etc), and nations (Iran/Syria) and their promise to kill all non-Muslims around the world, FRANCE declares that the war between the free and Non-Muslim world and these extremists is NOT inevitable, as we believe they can be reasoned with, despite 50+ years of attacks against Israel and all the U.N.’s attempt to ‘reason/negotiate’ with the ‘non-terrorists’.

This from the people who gave you Berets, croissants, MIMES, the 'art of surrender', and a President, still in power, who has been proven to have made personal millions fom the Oil-for-Food Scandal! Oy-vey!
 
Was there any real thoughts tat france might actually assitant in any way, shape or form? The french are doing what the french do best. NOTHING... Talk, talk, talk till someone else has to go in and clean up the mess. It's like walking past the dog shi.t in the living room. If you ignore it long enough someone else will pick it up.

They appeased the population within there own country that threatened them. What makes you think there willing to defend anything outside there borders. They'll send there engineers, so they can turn and say they did something about a problem.... It's a feel good gesture that is designed to cost them nothing, the price they love to pay
 
easyt65 said:
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/07/france.terror.reut/
French PM rejects 'war on terror'
OR “The French…being ‘French’!”

PARIS, France (Reuters) -- France issued an implicit criticism of U.S. foreign policy on Thursday, rejecting talk of a "war on terror."


"Against terrorism, what's needed is not a war. It is, as France has done for many years, a determined fight based on vigilance at all times and effective cooperation with our partners.”

"But we will only end this curse if we also fight against injustice, violence and these crises."

France is spot on correct again, like they were about Bush's Iraq war and the WMDs.

I can see why this infuriates the neocons so.

"It is the duty of France and Europe to show that the clash of civilizations is not inevitable," he said. "No one retains this wisdom, inherited from our history, as we, French and Europeans, do."


It should also be the duty of the land of the free and the home of the brave and what used to be that shining light on the hill. But since that city's light has so dimmed in recent years, I can see his point. Which is a little sad.
 
Iriemon said:
"Against terrorism, what's needed is not a war. It is, as France has done for many years, a determined fight based on vigilance at all times and effective cooperation with our partners.”

"But we will only end this curse if we also fight against injustice, violence and these crises."

France is spot on correct again, like they were about Bush's Iraq war and the WMDs.

I can see why this infuriates the neocons so.

"It is the duty of France and Europe to show that the clash of civilizations is not inevitable," he said. "No one retains this wisdom, inherited from our history, as we, French and Europeans, do."


It should also be the duty of the land of the free and the home of the brave and what used to be that shining light on the hill. But since that city's light has so dimmed in recent years, I can see his point. Which is a little sad.
So appease the terrorist until the problem gets so bad that someone else has to come in and fix the problem.. Yeppp.... spot on right.
 
Calm2Chaos said:
So appease the terrorist until the problem gets so bad that someone else has to come in and fix the problem.. Yeppp.... spot on right.

Hmmm. I didn't see the word appease in there, but I don't speak French.

The French have a better record than the US or Britain when it comes to terrorist attacks over the past couple decades, even though they have a much large % Muslim population. Maybe they are doing something right we weren't.
 
Iriemon said:
PARIS, France (Reuters)

"Against terrorism, what's needed is not a war. It is, as France has done for many years, a determined fight based on vigilance at all times and effective cooperation with our partners.”

"But we will only end this curse if we also fight against injustice, violence and these crises."

"It is the duty of France and Europe to show that the clash of civilizations is not inevitable," he said. "No one retains this wisdom, inherited from our history, as we, French and Europeans, do."


It should also be the duty of the land of the free and the home of the brave and what used to be that shining light on the hill. But since that city's light has so dimmed in recent years, I can see his point.


So you are a French/Kerry thinker who believes this is a police action that does not take militaryaction, despite Hezbollah, Bin ladden, and Iran declaring they are coming for us, will destroy our nation, and will re-make the world a Muslim-Only club where all non-Muslims are beheaded/killed?! :shock:

Pray tell, Iriemon, HOW are you going to show the world that confrontation with these lunatics, like those who have attacked Israel for 50+ years despite Israel finally giving back the Gaza strip that the Palestenians said would end the conflict, when their goal is world domination and keep attacking us and Israel all around the world - including on our own soil? About the only way I can see you convincing the world that confrontation is not necessary is to go back to ignoring the attacks like Clinton did!
 
Iriemon said:
Hmmm. I didn't see the word appease in there, but I don't speak French.

The French have a better record than the US or Britain when it comes to terrorist attacks over the past couple decades, even though they have a much large % Muslim population. Maybe they are doing something right we weren't.


Ya . they appease the ones within there borders, which placates those that are outside them. They speak against those fighting terrosim instead of standing next to them.. There the terrorist best friend.
 
easyt65 said:
So you are a French/Kerry thinker who believes this is a police action that does not take militaryaction, despite Hezbollah, Bin ladden, and Iran declaring they are coming for us, will destroy our nation, and will re-make the world a Muslim-Only club where all non-Muslims are beheaded/killed?! :shock:

I am not French, I did support Kerry. I view a war as an attack by a nation or at least an identifiable sub-group. "Terror" is neither. You cannot really have a "war" on "terror" any more than a war on drugs, a war on poverty, a war on energy, etc. etc., and all the other things the media and politicians like to sensationalize.

We are at war in Iraq with the insurgents.

But this is semantics, we can call it whatever we want. Korea was a "police-action" so why not this one?

Pray tell, Iriemon, HOW are you going to show the world that confrontation with these lunatics, like those who have attacked Israel for 50+ years despite Israel finally giving back the Gaza strip that the Palestenians said would end the conflict, when their goal is world domination and keep attacking us and Israel all around the world - including on our own soil? About the only way I can see you convincing the world that confrontation is not necessary is to go back to ignoring the attacks like Clinton did!

1. You seem to assert we have a responsibility to take care of Israels problems with its neighbors. I am not aware that Isreal was made a state. I reject the notion that anywhere in the world there is a conflict or terrorism we have the obligation to intervene. Including Israel.

2. I have posted my observations and comments on reducing the threat of terrorism several times. I'll repost it if you want.
 
Calm2Chaos said:
Ya . they appease the ones within there borders, which placates those that are outside them. They speak against those fighting terrosim instead of standing next to them.. There the terrorist best friend.

Hmmm. I am not aware of any terrorist attack in which France has been implicated in assisting the terrorists. Maybe you can enlighten us with a source document on this.
 
Iriemon said:
I am not French, I did support Kerry. I view a war as an attack by a nation or at least an identifiable sub-group. "Terror" is neither.
My point is that you support both's idea that the war we are currently in can best be handled by police and FBI.

Iriemon said:
We are at war in Iraq with the insurgents.
Insurgents - you make that sound as 'grey' as the war on 'terror'. Defining 'insurgents and based on your requirement to actually have a nation to fight for a war to be taking place instead of 'terror', the people who make up the 'Insurgents' are, in part, Iranian Soldiers - so we are fighting Iran, right?! Israel captured Iranian soldiers fighting with Hezbollah, so they are fighting Iran, too, right? So we are fighting a common enemy, right?!

Iriemon said:
But this is semantics, we can call it whatever we want. Korea was a "police-action" so why not this one?
There is a BIG difference between a 'Police Action' and a war. Korea was a war - it has developed into a vigilant state of monitoring/police action. Guys like kerry say that Viet Nam was a 'Police action' - no, it was a war! To say that the war on terror is a 'Police Action' that does not require military action is BS because we have already established that we are fighting Iran and other well-established nations (Syria) and terrorists groups who have DECLARED WAR on us already!


Iriemon said:
1. You seem to assert we have a responsibility to take care of Israels problems with its neighbors. I am not aware that Isreal was made a state. I reject the notion that anywhere in the world there is a conflict or terrorism we have the obligation to intervene. Including Israel.
Israel is an Ally, a nation - as we have established - fighting a common enemy, the same way we did when we joined the UK in WWII against Germany. The Iranian Pres declared thatthey were in a war and to win that war would take 1st destroying Israel and then focusing on the U.S. Maybe we should just sit back and wait for them to finish Israel off and come for us?!
 
Iriemon said:
Hmmm. I am not aware of any terrorist attack in which France has been implicated in assisting the terrorists. Maybe you can enlighten us with a source document on this.

How about selling weapons to the terrorist Islamic Extremists in Darfur who are responsible for the on-going genocide of all non-muslims, to include American missionaries?!
 
easyt65 said:
How about selling weapons to the terrorist Islamic Extremists in Darfur who are responsible for the on-going genocide of all non-muslims, to include American missionaries?!

Not familiar with it. Do you have a link to a source that discusses it?
 
Iriemon said:
Not familiar with it. Do you have a link to a source that discusses it?

http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/022005/02122005/1664733/printer_friendly

I have several other links to stories that show France has been playing both sides of the fence for quite a while, toensure they have a stake in the Oil down there, no matter who wins!

They blocked the U.N. from going in for a while. When we bullied ahead, we found out why - they had been selling weapons to the Jajaweed militant Muslims guilty of committing the genocide!

same way France had people on the ground in Baghdad when we went in to help Hussein's guys defeat us - they would sell their grandmother and share the title of 'weapons whores of the world' with China and Russia!
 
easyt65 said:
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/022005/02122005/1664733/printer_friendly

I have several other links to stories that show France has been playing both sides of the fence for quite a while, toensure they have a stake in the Oil down there, no matter who wins!

They blocked the U.N. from going in for a while. When we bullied ahead, we found out why - they had been selling weapons to the Jajaweed militant Muslims guilty of committing the genocide!

same way France had people on the ground in Baghdad when we went in to help Hussein's guys defeat us - they would sell their grandmother and share the title of 'weapons whores of the world' with China and Russia!

I looked at your article, it did not indicate when the arms were sold and whether they were sold by French companies or the French Govt. This article cited an Amnesty int'l report.

The Amnesty reports I saw cited sales by the French of about half a million in 2002 or earlier.

I found no reports of sales by the French after war broke out in Dec 2003 and the atrocities began. If you have a link on it I'd be interested to see it.
 
Iriemon said:
Hmmm. I am not aware of any terrorist attack in which France has been implicated in assisting the terrorists. Maybe you can enlighten us with a source document on this.

Maybe you can attempt to manipulate ANYTHING I sad there that remotely states that france assisted in a terrorist plot....Please o please show me where I stated that.........PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 
Calm2Chaos said:
Maybe you can attempt to manipulate ANYTHING I sad there that remotely states that france assisted in a terrorist plot....Please o please show me where I stated that.........PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

"They speak against those fighting terrosim instead of standing next to them.. There the terrorist best friend."

I thought you were saying that the French were "standing next" to the terrorists and are the terrorist's best friend.

If you are the terrorist's best friend and standing beside them, to me that implies you are helping them out in their terrorism. But if you did not mean that, I'm not sure what you mean when you say that they are the terrorists' best friend.
 
Iriemon said:
"They speak against those fighting terrosim instead of standing next to them.. There the terrorist best friend."

I thought you were saying that the French were "standing next" to the terrorists and are the terrorist's best friend.



If you are the terrorist's best friend and standing beside them, to me that implies you are helping them out in their terrorism. But if you did not mean that, I'm not sure what you mean when you say that they are the terrorists' best friend.

ONe has nothing to do with the other. They stand next to them in principle. Or maybe they stand next to them because they are to scared to stand against them. The second seems more plausibale. Being there best friend is a country with Pseudo respect in world politics constantly tooting or defending there actions or critisizing the actions of those that fight against them.
 
No you all got it wrong. The French government do that because they really get a kick out of reading the board. I think the more hysterical people get the harder they laugh. Hey we also got a kick out of that too http://www.slate.com/id/2117517/. How charming! can you remind us how many Saudis in the 9/11 attack and how much money did the Saudis give to the Wahhabists? http://www.parapundit.com/archives/000734.html. "do what we say but not what we do" can you give me the definition of hypocrite? The fact of the matter is that the French government is doing exactly what the US's does. They have learned the past 50 years what are the rules of "the game". So what's the beef?
 
Francaisforever said:
No you all got it wrong. The French government do that because they really get a kick out of reading the board. I think the more hysterical people get the harder they laugh. Hey we also got a kick out of that too http://www.slate.com/id/2117517/. How charming! can you remind us how many Saudis in the 9/11 attack and how much money did the Saudis give to the Wahhabists? http://www.parapundit.com/archives/000734.html. "do what we say but not what we do" can you give me the definition of hypocrite? The fact of the matter is that the French government is doing exactly what the US's does. They have learned the past 50 years what are the rules of "the game". So what's the beef?


You mean other then being cowering surrender monkeys... I'll have to get back to you on that
 
If you want to give us more details on what happened that evening at the ranch, please refrain. After such a charming stroll, I can only imagine. After reading the article below, it seems that it was worth it at the pump though......no pun intended of course. I like the picture next to your posts. Very scary!
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0426/dailyUpdate.html
 
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Breaking news!!
France surrenders to the Salvation Army!.




This isn’t mine but I had to post it...
independent_thinker2002 gets credit.
 
Hey that's it?! That's all you've got?! Here, I' am going to help you because I am in a good mood.

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." General George S. Patton.

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." Marge Simpson

"The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee." Regis Philbin.

You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the face for it." John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona.

"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get Hitler out of France either" Jay Leno.

"The last time the French asked for 'more proof' it came marching into Paris under a German flag." David Letterman

War without France would be like ... uh ... World War II.

“The favorite bumper sticker in Washington D.C. right now is one that says 'First Iraq, then France.” Tom Brokaw.

"What do you expect from a culture and a nation that exerted more of its national will fighting against Disney World and Big Macs than the Nazis?" Dennis Miller.


And my personal favorite

Iran Air Flight 655 (IR655) was a commercial flight operated by Iran Air that flew from Bandar Abbas, Iran to Dubai. On Sunday July 3, 1988, the aircraft flying IR655 was shot down by the U.S. Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes between Bandar Abbas and Dubai, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children.

I can not say that some of you, despite your lack of memory and sens of history, have a great sens of humor. I will only say one thing. Bravo!
 
I suppose bravo sounds smarter than wee-wee.
 
I think wee wee might be a word for you, but actually it is not. I would categorize it as a "sound"
 
C'mon now. Don't be makin' fun of me parley-vooin' a little fran-say.:mrgreen:
 

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