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French labour reforms: Government to force plan through

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The French cabinet has given the go-ahead for the president to force through highly controversial labour reforms, circumventing parliament.An extraordinary cabinet meeting invoked the constitution's controversial Article 49.3, allowing the government to bypass parliament.
The bill would make it easier for employers to hire and fire workers.
Opponents say it will let employers bypass workers' rights on pay, overtime and breaks.
The proposed reforms, which also include changes to France's 35-hour working week, have sparked waves of sometimes violent protests across France.
France's Socialist government says removing some of the protection workers enjoy will encourage businesses to hire more people.
It says its aim is to combat chronic unemployment.


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Shameful. After about a month of protests which numbered up to hundreds of thousands of people hitting the streets, the French government is going to circumvent parliament and allow Hollande to enact the law. Expect even more popular backlash against this measure.
 

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Shameful. After about a month of protests which numbered up to hundreds of thousands of people hitting the streets, the French government is going to circumvent parliament and allow Hollande to enact the law. Expect even more popular backlash against this measure. [/FONT][/COLOR]

The French are going to have to roll back their social programs. They have cost the country much too much in growth and jobs to the point that the country has fallen back relative to peers badly and come much too close to the brink.
 

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The French are going to have to roll back their social programs. They have cost the country much too much in growth and jobs to the point that the country has fallen back relative to peers badly and come much too close to the brink.

Hasnt France already gone through massive austerity cuts in 2010-2013 only to see more rise in unemployment?
 

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Read more @: French labour reforms: Government to force plan through

Shameful. After about a month of protests which numbered up to hundreds of thousands of people hitting the streets, the French government is going to circumvent parliament and allow Hollande to enact the law. Expect even more popular backlash against this measure. [/FONT][/COLOR]
It's interesting that this legislation is coming from the controlling Socialist Party!

"The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the bill, known as the Khomri law after Labour Minister Mariam El Khomri, has forced a wedge between the governing Socialist party and its left-wing supporters."
 

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OH NO!!!

Those poor French people will have to WORK for their money!!!

This is tyranny.
 

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It's interesting that this legislation is coming from the controlling Socialist Party!

"The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the bill, known as the Khomri law after Labour Minister Mariam El Khomri, has forced a wedge between the governing Socialist party and its left-wing supporters."
Too many neo-liberals in the French Socialist Party. I wish the left wing within the party had a bigger wing, but apparently they do not. Just enough to make some noise but not enough to block such an action. Seems the French are on the road to more austerity.
 

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Hasnt France already gone through massive austerity cuts in 2010-2013 only to see more rise in unemployment?

I am not a France specialist. But my impression has been of a lackluster attempt to reduce the size of the social system till now and even now it will almost certainly not be enough.

Sarkozy did some cutting but was not really willing to face of the main bulk of French recipients of state transfers. By the time Holland took over, however, the pressure had grown following the crisis and France was falling visibly back in comparison to Germany. It was seen to be loosing political weight as a result and it had become clear that something needed doing to prevent falling into irrelevance.
The socialist Holland said he would address the problems. But as this was against strong social groups especially within Holland's ruling party, they made little headway, trying rather to loosen the EU purse and EZB activities. Nonetheless, much ado was made of the matter as it was the socialists cutting for the first time. Many gained the faulty impression that much more had been done than was in fact accomplished. These measures were for various reasons less helpful, than desperately hoped. France continued its decline. So here we are now and Holland is trying to make some more cuts. But they are very late and almost certainly too few and those too weak to prevent further decline. What is most probably required is a totally different approach like the one the Finns are researching and experimenting with.
 

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I am not a France specialist. But my impression has been of a lackluster attempt to reduce the size of the social system till now and even now it will almost certainly not be enough.

Has nothing to do with the size of the social system. It has everything to do with labour laws that make it expensive if not impossible to fire people.
 

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Has nothing to do with the size of the social system. It has everything to do with labour laws that make it expensive if not impossible to fire people.

That is one point on the long socialist wishlist that aggravates the situation.
 

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Too many neo-liberals in the French Socialist Party. I wish the left wing within the party had a bigger wing, but apparently they do not. Just enough to make some noise but not enough to block such an action. Seems the French are on the road to more austerity.

How would there be neo-liberal politicians in a Socialist Party?
 

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Ummm that cleared it up :confused: :mrgreen:
Doesn't it just? :mrgreen:

With the sweep of determinations it allows, I think I'll call myself a neo-lib as from now on. Must be nice to have everybody unable to nail you down on anything.
 

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France is the perfect snapshot socialism gone to the extreme. After seeing Greece's problems, they better react soon.
 

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But, at that time, the Labour party was most definitely not a Socialist Party.

A large amount of many European "Socialist Parties" (socialist in name) had a large wing that decided to follow neo-liberal policies (3rd way), the French Socialist Party is no exception.
 

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A large amount of many European "Socialist Parties" (socialist in name) had a large wing that decided to follow neo-liberal policies (3rd way), the French Socialist Party is no exception.

They do this, because pure socialism has failed over and over again.

Remember, the French socialist party wanted a 75% tax rate, and it could have gotten implemented if it didn't get rejected by the courts. It was no moderate party that got elected, but even they are realizing that France need to reform its labour laws.
 

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A large amount of many European "Socialist Parties" (socialist in name) had a large wing that decided to follow neo-liberal policies (3rd way), the French Socialist Party is no exception.

I know 3rd way politics (be everything to everyone) but again, it is not Socialist in the traditional sense. Speaking of the UK, and the SWP, there is no way they'd promulgate a drive for 3rd way politics. Blair was named the Red Tory for a reason :)
 

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I know 3rd way politics (be everything to everyone)
and that's not only the true definition, it's also the thing nobody can pin anything on.
but again, it is not Socialist in the traditional sense. Speaking of the UK, and the SWP, there is no way they'd promulgate a drive for 3rd way politics. Blair was named the Red Tory for a reason :)
I'd agree except for the constrictions that the term socialist is usually given (by others).

As such the social market economy that Germany followed since it's inception (as FRG) couldn't have been any further away from the Thatcher road. Nevertheless both would fall into the wide scope that the diverse definitions of neo-liberalism offer, just on the opposing ends of the scale.

France (socialist or not or by whatever degree) is following the same type of social market economy and like Germany will frown at the term neo-lib.

The beauty :)roll:) of it all being that in a SME you can adjust the screws on how "social" you're gonna be, depending on what current economics merit. Refuting any accusations of having gone "right".

All a somewhat elaborate ploy to not say "WE've all been living above our means and now YOU have to tighten YOUR belts.
 

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I know 3rd way politics (be everything to everyone) but again, it is not Socialist in the traditional sense.
I know.. And many "3rd way" politicians were members of "socialist parties" such as the Labour party.

Speaking of the UK, and the SWP, there is no way they'd promulgate a drive for 3rd way politics.
The socialist workers party? I never claimed the socialist workers party in the UK was in favor of 3rd way politics

Blair was named the Red Tory for a reason :)
Look at Blair and "new Labour". He lead the charge of removing for Labour to remove Claus IV from its platform/constitution, thus removing almost all mentions of the Labour party being a socialist party. It endorsed a large free market economy, endorsed a "public-private partnership". I mean Blair was pretty open about his endorsement of Third Way politics... BBC News | UK Politics | All aboard the Third Way
 

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They do this, because pure socialism has failed over and over again.
What is pure socialism? Better still, where was it ever implemented? And in view of France hardly fitting the bill (ever) what relevance does this contribution have in this context?
Remember, the French socialist party wanted a 75% tax rate, and it could have gotten implemented if it didn't get rejected by the courts.
Do you know the reason given by the court? What's more, do you know why it fell thru? Do you know on whom its levy was intended? Lastly what it was replaced with?
It was no moderate party that got elected, but even they are realizing that France need to reform its labour laws.
How do you define "moderate"? Are you also aware that French labor laws have been under fire since long before the current government?
 

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Guys I've read all your posts and I'm a bit disappointed you never pointed out the source of all of this mess which is the EU.

80% of French law is actually european law (or maybe more). We have transferred main parts of our sovereignty through Maastricht treaty, the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) and the Treaty on European Union (TEU or TUE in French which means "dead" or "kill"...).

We can NOT devalue the currency in order to adjust our national economy because those treaties simply forbit it.
The "labour law" is called El-Khomri law in France (she is the Minister of... Labour and a scapegoat in this story). This law directly comes from the article 121 TFEU which states the Broad economic policy guidelines (BEPG). BEPG of july 2015 have been sent to the French government which MUST transpose them into the French law. It is simple as that.

The "Socialist" Party is just a joke because our hands and feet are tied by the European law. That is why Syriza in Greece failed, Spain failed, Italy failed, Portugal failed and France now is failing.

All those protests in the street are just a waste of time because all the demonstrators (including those moron rioters) don't know a damn thing about this article 121 and the European law. Medias in France always hide the european source. British people got ahead on this subjects and I am afraid the EU will collapse in a vey bad way.

PS: please excuse my poor English....
 
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Guys I've read all your posts and I'm a bit disappointed you never pointed out the source of all of this mess which is the EU.

80% of French law is actually european law (or maybe more). We have transferred main parts of our sovereignty through Maastricht treaty, the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) and the Treaty on European Union (TEU or TUE in French which means "dead" or "kill"...).

We can NOT devalue the currency in order to adjust our national economy because those treaties simply forbit it.
The "labour law" is called El-Khomri law in France (she is the Minister of... Labour and a scapegoat in this story). This law directly comes from the article 121 TFEU which states the Broad economic policy guidelines (BEPG). BEPG of july 2015 have been sent to the French government which MUST transpose them into the French law. It is simple as that.

The "Socialist" Party is just a joke because our hands and feet are tied by the European law. That is why Syriza in Greece failed, Spain failed, Italy failed, Portugal failed and France now is failing.

All those protests in the street are just a waste of time because all the demonstrators (including those moron rioters) don't know a damn thing about this article 121 and the European law. Medias in France always hide the european source. British people got ahead on this subjects and I am afraid the EU will collapse in a vey bad way.
Sound very much like an elaborate and very verbose attempt to excuse all of France's structural deficits by blaming all of them on Brussels.
PS: please excuse my poor English....
Looks fine to me :)
 

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Sound very much like an elaborate and very verbose attempt to excuse all of France's structural deficits by blaming all of them on Brussels.

I didn't know bringing law sources was a verbose attempt to excuse all problems in France. Of course, Brussels is not the only reason and target to criticize. But still, how do you solve problems when you don't have political levers left to do it?

And for the record, I was just pointing out the sources of this labour law but I can see you just brush aside my remarks by saying something I never said...
 
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