• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every persons position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti?

Councilman

DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 25, 2009
Messages
4,454
Reaction score
1,654
Location
Riverside, County, CA.
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
This is too much and if we are not careful it will spread. We already have schools that no longer say the pledge because Liberal idiot teachers refuse to lead it in class where a young man had to fight to even get flags returned,

We have allowed the wacko Liberals to push us around and it's time to push back and be serious about it.

Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti? - News Story - KTVU San Francisco
"Posted: 10:05 pm PDT July 1, 2010Updated: 3:03 am PDT July 2, 2010
SUNOL, CAlif. -- Interstate 680, in and out of the Silicon Valley, is one of the bay area's busiest freeways. And everyday for the last eight and half years there was a hillside mural motorists passed on the Sunol grade.

"It just made me feel really patriotic, just seeing it everyday," said motorcyclist Dave Freely.

Until Wednesday, motorists saw a 35 foot mural of the American flag painted on a concrete retaining wall.

On Thursday, it was just gray concrete painted over by Caltrans.

"It was put on the list for graffiti removal and yesterday morning they painted over it with grey concrete paint," said Allyn Amsk of Caltrans.

"It should not be classified as graffiti. I mean it was a well done flag and and I felt like it's part of America," objected the flag muralist Eric Noda.

About a week after 9-11. Eric Noda was photographed roller painting the flag mural. It took him three hours to finish.

He and friends R.J. Waldron and Thomas Hanley picked the spot to express their patriotism after the terrorist attack.

"It's kind of a landmark for me and it reminds me of that day and the time in the wake of 9-11," said Noda.

But why did Caltrans wait so long to remove the flag?

"Maintenance wasn't aware that it was on the state right-of-way or you know it would have been removed sometime in the past," said Amsk.

Regular 680 commuters said they were upset."
 

The_Patriot

DP Veteran
Joined
May 28, 2010
Messages
1,488
Reaction score
206
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Very Conservative
If you want to say the pledge written by a Christian communist go for it. It's strangely ironic that most people do not know the author of the pledge was a communist.
 

mike2810

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 26, 2010
Messages
24,153
Reaction score
8,729
Location
arizona
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
What did you expect? It is California. I'm suprised they did anything considering they are 19B in the rears and no budget for the fiscal year. But, painting over the flag must be worth doing:lol:

As far as the pledge, IMO, many have lost what it means to live in this country? Wonder what their grandparents would think today.
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
75,235
Reaction score
32,997
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
So, what, graffiti is ok so long as it's pretty? If you don't own it, you don't get to spray paint it, no matter how talented you are.

Would you be ok with someone spray painting the side of your house without permission?
 
Last edited:

soccerboy22

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 20, 2010
Messages
10,723
Reaction score
4,120
Location
A warm place
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Conservative
Why can't it be both patriotic and graffiti? I mean sure it was patriotic to paint a U.S. flag on there, but it still doesn't change the fact it was graffiti.
 

TacticalEvilDan

Shankmasta Killa
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 16, 2008
Messages
10,444
Reaction score
4,479
Location
Western NY and Geneva, CH
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
Riddle me this, Batman:

When is grafitti not grafitti?

When the imagery involves elements of the nationalist religion. :lol:
 

Guy Incognito

DP Veteran
Joined
May 14, 2010
Messages
11,216
Reaction score
2,818
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian
Patriotic? Hardly. A flag painted on a highway retaining wall where is can get rained on, splattered with mud from passing cars, and generally desecrated on a daily basis? It wouldn't be patriotic even if it wasn't graffiti. Seriously, what is it about Republicans that they hate following flag code so much? And, oh yeah, it was graffiti!
 

justabubba

long standing member
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 22, 2005
Messages
50,538
Reaction score
32,297
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
caltran should approve its repainting
 

the makeout hobo

Rockin' In The Free World
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 13, 2006
Messages
7,102
Reaction score
1,504
Location
Sacramento, CA
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
It was patriotic, sure, but it was graffiti because the artist had no legal right to paint on that surface
 

Your Star

Rage More!
DP Veteran
Joined
May 15, 2010
Messages
27,246
Reaction score
19,931
Location
Georgia
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Progressive
Alright, so graffiti is okay as long as its a symbol of America? Alright then, why don't you let me paint a pic of the Democratic Donkey on your house? I mean its a symbol of America too.
 

d0gbreath

Yellow Dog Democrat
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 5, 2010
Messages
14,043
Reaction score
4,095
Location
Denton, Texas
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Very Liberal
The thing that bugs me is the timing. They should have painted it over at Christmas time.
 

mike2810

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 26, 2010
Messages
24,153
Reaction score
8,729
Location
arizona
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
I will agree that the painter should have applied and recieved permission first and most likely broke some law. Caltran had the authority to paint over the flag. The question is the need for removal?

IMO, its not the same to argue private property rights vs. public property rights for those who said is it ok to paint someones house.
 

TheNextEra

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 14, 2006
Messages
16,575
Reaction score
6,767
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Left
I will agree that the painter should have applied and recieved permission first and most likely broke some law. Caltran had the authority to paint over the flag. The question is the need for removal?

IMO, its not the same to argue private property rights vs. public property rights for those who said is it ok to paint someones house.
So you basically want to set a precidence that it is ok to grafitii a public area so long as it is a flag or some other arbitrary art? Really? That is what you want to change the laws to? Because that is what would have to happen to allow this to go unpunished.
 

Your Star

Rage More!
DP Veteran
Joined
May 15, 2010
Messages
27,246
Reaction score
19,931
Location
Georgia
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Progressive
I will agree that the painter should have applied and recieved permission first and most likely broke some law. Caltran had the authority to paint over the flag. The question is the need for removal?

IMO, its not the same to argue private property rights vs. public property rights for those who said is it ok to paint someones house.
The gov. owned the property, and decided to take it down. Thats all the reason they needed.
 

mike2810

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 26, 2010
Messages
24,153
Reaction score
8,729
Location
arizona
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
So you basically want to set a precidence that it is ok to grafitii a public area so long as it is a flag or some other arbitrary art? Really? That is what you want to change the laws to? Because that is what would have to happen to allow this to go unpunished.
What part of "applied and recieved permission" didn't you understand? Actually I hate grafitii. Though some is pretty good art, especially compared to gang/taggers. So I'll go along with you, no grafitii should be placed on public property (without permission)?
 

Magill

Member
Joined
Jun 30, 2010
Messages
158
Reaction score
51
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Liberal
I think this might go against flag code.
 

TheNextEra

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 14, 2006
Messages
16,575
Reaction score
6,767
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Left
What part of "applied and recieved permission" didn't you understand? Actually I hate grafitii. Though some is pretty good art, especially compared to gang/taggers. So I'll go along with you, no grafitii should be placed on public property (without permission)?
I understood it perfectly, and then you said:

The question is the need for removal?
Which is a simple answer, because the person broke the law. Why should his art remain when he broke the law to do it? The removal was just and right in this instance.
 

apdst

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 23, 2009
Messages
133,631
Reaction score
30,926
Location
Bagdad, La.
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Very Conservative
Alright, so graffiti is okay as long as its a symbol of America? Alright then, why don't you let me paint a pic of the Democratic Donkey on your house? I mean its a symbol of America too.
It's amazing how Leftists will defend the removal of anything that could be remotely patriotic.

Bet ya'll would be singing a different tune if it were a star and cresent, or celebrated Nelson Mandela, or some other communist asshole.
 

TheNextEra

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 14, 2006
Messages
16,575
Reaction score
6,767
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Left
It's amazing how Leftists will defend the removal of anything that could be remotely patriotic.

Bet ya'll would be singing a different tune if it were a star and cresent, or celebrated Nelson Mandela, or some other communist asshole.
So you think that it is ok to break the law then and paint grafitii on government property without permission, got it.
 

apdst

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 23, 2009
Messages
133,631
Reaction score
30,926
Location
Bagdad, La.
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Very Conservative
So you think that it is ok to break the law then and paint grafitii on government property without permission, got it.
If it were something more PC than our national colors, it probably wouldn't have been painted over. Political correctness sucks ass.
 

TheNextEra

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 14, 2006
Messages
16,575
Reaction score
6,767
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Left
If it were something more PC than our national colors, it probably wouldn't have been painted over. Political correctness sucks ass.
Ah yes, more worthless rhetoric from you as usual. They broke the law and got their grafiti painted over, BOO HOO. Glad that you advocate breaking the law to paint grafiti.
 

RyrineaHaruno

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2009
Messages
1,827
Reaction score
409
Location
Humble Texas
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Liberal
The artist didn't have permission to do the national colors on the wall, so it should be removed plus the artist should be punished according to the laws.
 
Last edited:

mike2810

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 26, 2010
Messages
24,153
Reaction score
8,729
Location
arizona
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
I understood it perfectly, and then you said:



Which is a simple answer, because the person broke the law. Why should his art remain when he broke the law to do it? The removal was just and right in this instance.
Ok, I see your point. Not to change the subject, but it is interesting people don't think way when it comes to illegals. They broke the law, they should be removed. Seems many pick and choose what laws should be upheld.
 

peepnklown

Frankernaut
Joined
Jan 21, 2009
Messages
607
Reaction score
177
Location
California
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian
It’s all chuckles when a conservative supports a pledge written by a socialist. I do not pledge my allegiance to the state like some totalitarian ruled slave! I bet you would be crying the opposite if someone painted something you didn’t like; oh the hypocrisy.
It’s graffiti, period.
 

Thorgasm

Bus Driver to Hell
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 4, 2005
Messages
69,451
Reaction score
15,335
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Very Conservative
I think it's funny they call it a retaining wall. It's a random piece of concrete on a hill.

They should approve the repainting.
 
Top Bottom