First of all, paying the thousands of dollars it costs to create a business means people are less likely to create a business.anomaly said:Where's your evidence that regulations actually cause unemployment? I mean there is absolutely no evidence that regulations cause unemployment.
With less businesses, you have less jobs.
Second, if I all of the sudden have to pay $2/hr instead of $1/hr, I don't just get the extra money out of thin air. I fire half of my workers, hurting everyone.
Oh no, the chaos of competition for a better product!anomaly said:You can't just have thousands of small businesses popping up. Imagine the chaos. I imagine that's why the gov't regulations are there. Again, the gov't isn't as evil as you'd like it to be.
The chaos of people being able to get a job easier than ever!
The horror of it all!!!
Good thing we have our big government to stop the evil small businesses from providing a better product and new jobs. What a relief.
You argue the assembly line worker deserves to be paid as much as the experienced carpenter, even though his work is definitely not worth that.anomaly said:See, that's where we disagree. I argue that the factory worker still has the right to live (and you say minimum wage isn't enough, but that's where the gov't can step in and help), obviously you don't think so. You must begin to undertand that workers are not the ones who benefit from capitalism. This most obvious point is the one you deny.
The people that work jobs in factories and other cheap places are mostly teenagers, college students, and young adults. They are there for the EXPERIENCE, not for the wads of cash.
They NEED the bad jobs to put meat on their resume so they can get good jobs.
There's no such thing as artificially changing market value of something without consequences.
The market value of a job is what it is.
When you try to screw with the value of the job, you screw with the whole market.
By "those not making minimum wage" I mean people that make MORE than it.anomaly said:Uh, isn't that the point I'm trying to make? You've just said that people on minimum wage make more money faster than those not making minimum wage. I think you meant the reverse, so can I see this 'study'?
Those people are moving up the ladder slower than the min-wagers.
I'm not here to solve China's problems.anomaly said:Show me where the worker in China can go from making 20 cents/hr to making 9 bucks/hr? I'm sure he'd like to know about this miracle too! Again, you've made a claim of someone who believes in idealistic capitalism. While I'm talking about tihs, may I suggest a book: One Market Under God by Thomas Frank. It exposes this myth that market are always 'good'.
Their entire economic system is totally different than ours.
But I do know a worker earning 20c/hr in the US could get to $9/hr.
You know what, you're right. It's already hard, so why the hell shouldn't we make it even harder?anomaly said:Small businesses in a system of competition will always be hard to maintain, duh!
We should make it so hard that nobody EVER makes a small business and the corporate giants can have the whole market.
Yes, everyone yearns for a job.anomaly said:Also, I don't know if you know this, but people have a natural want to have a job. They want to feel beneficial. That's why, even in the welfare state, there is no shortage of workers.
And that's why we don't have thousands of families on welfare teaching their children how to live on welfare....
O wait, we do...
If there ARE always more jobs, then that means the worker wins.anomaly said:There are always more jobs.
The # of jobs is more than the # of workers, so supply-demand follows.
The companies must compete for the limited supply of workers, so they compete against each other to offer the best wages and benefits.
If a worker is unhappy with the treatment or pay of a job, they simply switch to a company that will treat them better, or they work for a small business.
Therefore, companies that offer low wages and no benefits will run clear out of workers, and then go bankrupt.
But the ones that offer good conditions and wages will prosper, with new employees flocking to their side.
LMFAO!!!anomaly said:The workers of a foreign country do not benefit from capitalism, it forces them to work for a meager salary in order to make someone else richer (the trickle up effect).
Please, never use the words "capitalism" and "force" in the same sentence ever again.
Capitalism is the ONLY system that doesn't use FORCE to achieve its means.
Under free market, everyone chooses for themselves. There is no such thing as the use of FORCE or COERCION.
The only time FORCE and COERCION occur in a marketplace is when the government steps in and uses it in the name of "justice".
I can't find any statistics for 100 years ago.anomaly said:Where's your evidence that we had the highest standard of living 100 years ago (I've never heard anything of this)?
But I do know from 200 years ago.
During that time we had the least regulations of all.
And we DEFINITELY had the best living conditions compared to others.
We WERE "land of the free, home of the brave".
PS: I gotta go to bed, talk more tomorrow.