Freedom Caucus members tell Trump to back off wall emergency

[Somerville]

Looks like Trump's little tantrum about a wall is not working out the way he thought it would

Freedom Caucus members tell Trump to back off wall emergency

A core group of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus is urging President Donald Trump against the explosive step of declaring a national emergency to build his wall.

Multiple Republicans in the conservative group have privately raised their concerns with the Trump administration, fearing it would lead to a years-long legal standoff that Democrats could win while setting a dangerous precedent for the presidency, according to more than a dozen lawmakers and GOP aides. They want Trump to hold out for a deal with Democrats, regardless of how long the partial government shutdown drags on.

Trump’s possible pursuit of an emergency declaration on the border divided the caucus during an animated meeting Wednesday night, according to lawmakers who attended the meeting. Members wrestled with constitutional concerns.

 

[old dog]

This morning I heard a caller to Rush with a fascinating idea:

1. It is a certainty that a suit will be filed to block the National Emergency option.

2. They will file it in a friendly District Court, most likely the 9th Circus.

3. Have a Trump supported immediately file a suit in a friendly district.

Beat the democrats to the punch and cut the 9th Circus out of the loop.

Kind of bizarre but I can't see a downside.

 

[NeverTrump]

Looks like Trump's little tantrum about a wall is not working out the way he thought it would

Thing is Trump doesn't even need to bully the Congress, he could have focused on the wall day one. If he was smart...

 

[SCrider]

This morning I heard a caller to Rush with a fascinating idea:

1. It is a certainty that a suit will be filed to block the National Emergency option.

2. They will file it in a friendly District Court, most likely the 9th Circus.

3. Have a Trump supported immediately file a suit in a friendly district.

Beat the democrats to the punch and cut the 9th Circus out of the loop.

Kind of bizarre but I can't see a downside.

You actually listen to Rush for insight? :lamo

 

[Rexedgar]

This morning I heard a caller to Rush with a fascinating idea:

1. It is a certainty that a suit will be filed to block the National Emergency option.

2. They will file it in a friendly District Court, most likely the 9th Circus.

3. Have a Trump supported immediately file a suit in a friendly district.

Beat the democrats to the punch and cut the 9th Circus out of the loop.

Kind of bizarre but I can't see a downside.

Belated welcome!

 

[Helix]

remember : the president won't always be a member of the Trumpist party. that means that the precedent will be set for a Democratic president to pull the same thing when Trumpists have less control of government.

 

[Born Free]

remember : the president won't always be a member of the Trumpist party. that means that the precedent will be set for a Democratic president to pull the same thing when Trumpists have less control of government.

Yeah like Harry Reid did away with the filibuster. He sure did the Pubs a huge favor and McConnel followed Reids lead to rid more of the filibuster.

Judges, judges, judges.

 

[Helix]

Yeah like Harry Reid did away with the filibuster. He sure did the Pubs a huge favor and McConnel followed Reids lead to rid more of the filibuster.

Judges, judges, judges.

yeah, kind of like that. you cool with a Democratic president doing end runs around congress by declaring national emergencies when he or she deems it necessary?

that's a rhetorical question, by the way. i already know the answer.

 

[Born Free]

yeah, kind of like that. you cool with a Democratic president doing end runs around congress by declaring national emergencies when he or she deems it necessary?

that's a rhetorical question, by the way. i already know the answer.

Harry Reid did his thing, and it worked out great for us Pubs. Maybe Trump will do some good for your party, then you could thank Trump.

 

[Helix]

Harry Reid did his thing, and it worked out great for us Pubs. Maybe Trump will do some good for your party, then you could thank Trump.

i don't have a party. i have a party to vote against.

 

[Born Free]

i don't have a party. i have a party to vote against.

Let me guess who that might be, that you vote against, it's just a guess, but I'll guess it's the Republican Party. BTW to vote against, all you have to do is not vote. A no vote is a vote against. So that leaves who do you vote for and I'm going to guess again, how about the Democratic Party.

You don't have to answer, I know I'm right.

 

[Somerville]

Huh, ten replies and not one actually mentioned the focus of the OP. Why would that be?

 

[Deuce]

This morning I heard a caller to Rush with a fascinating idea:

1. It is a certainty that a suit will be filed to block the National Emergency option.

2. They will file it in a friendly District Court, most likely the 9th Circus.

3. Have a Trump supported immediately file a suit in a friendly district.

Beat the democrats to the punch and cut the 9th Circus out of the loop.

Kind of bizarre but I can't see a downside.

You, the one post wonder claiming to be a libertarian, do not see a downside to a president unilaterally redirecting funds on a whim with zero oversight.

Troll some other forum.

 

[Somerville]

Still no response to the OP.

C'mon - Republicans and Libertarians and Conservatives of no party - tell us uneducated lefties why the most right-wing group in Congress is against the shutdown.

 

[Moderate Right]

Looks like Trump's little tantrum about a wall is not working out the way he thought it would

The Freedom Caucus has always believed in a scorched Earth policy.

 

[Somerville]

The Freedom Caucus has always believed in a scorched Earth policy.

Keeping the federal government running is "a scorched Earth policy"? Since when?

 

[DaveFagan]

Still no response to the OP.

C'mon - Republicans and Libertarians and Conservatives of no party - tell us uneducated lefties why the most right-wing group in Congress is against the shutdown.

Well now, the obvious is that they feel like they are getting their collective dicks dragged in the dirt, but I could be wrong.
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[Mach]

Keeping the federal government running is "a scorched Earth policy"? Since when?

The OP said freedom caucus wants to keep government shut down until dems cave.

 

[gdgyva]

i don't have a party. i have a party to vote against.

What is the difference...partisan hackery in either respect

 

[gdgyva]

Looks like Trump's little tantrum about a wall is not working out the way he thought it would

I agree

No emergency

Keep it shut down indefinitely

Schumer and Pelosi have staked their politic careers on this win....and so has Trump

We have a colossal game of chicken....and I for one think we can live with the smaller leaner government

Maybe in a few months....saner heads will actually want to compromise....give Trump his wall for DACA. or something similar

I can wait....

 

[upsideguy]

I agree

No emergency

Keep it shut down indefinitely

Schumer and Pelosi have staked their politic careers on this win....and so has Trump

We have a colossal game of chicken....and I for one think we can live with the smaller leaner government

Maybe in a few months....saner heads will actually want to compromise....give Trump his wall for DACA. or something similar

I can wait....

That may be fine, but 1) it will come at a great risk to US security and significant political and economic cost and 2) most of the electorate believes the Repubs own it. So, if as a conservative you are happy to take the political hit, well.... we will see.

At the end of the day, the Dems can't cave lest we will have more hostage taking in the future when a party just doesn't have the votes to pass unwanted legislation. The reality is the wall lacks sufficient public support to get done. At some point the Republicans will have to come to grips with the idea that they are overplaying a weak hand to their peril. Trump is a cancer on the Republican party, the quicker they distance themselves from him, the more likely the Republicans will live to vote another day.

 

[Helix]

What is the difference...partisan hackery in either respect

It means that one party is so awful that there's really no choice other than to vote for the only viable opposition.

 

[gdgyva]

That may be fine, but 1) it will come at a great risk to US security and significant political and economic cost and 2) most of the electorate believes the Repubs own it. So, if as a conservative you are happy to take the political hit, well.... we will see.

At the end of the day, the Dems can't cave lest we will have more hostage taking in the future when a party just doesn't have the votes to pass unwanted legislation. The reality is the wall lacks sufficient public support to get done. At some point the Republicans will have to come to grips with the idea that they are overplaying a weak hand to their peril. Trump is a cancer on the Republican party, the quicker they distance themselves from him, the more likely the Republicans will live to vote another day.

Obama had his ACA....and it’s passage was his legacy

This will be Trumps....that is why he won’t give in.

And if you think in the long run the American people will put the full brunt of this solely on Trump and the republicans then I guess you don’t know America very well. Both sides will get blamed....both sides will get skewered for ****ing things up....and both sides should....

Our government is broke....has been for 25 plus years now....the word compromise doesn’t exist....my way or the highway is how both parties want to play....

There used to be deal makers in DC....guys who would reach accross the aisle to scratch each other’s back....now, it is how can I make the other guys look bad....

This will not end well....for either side....and every trick one side uses, the other side comes back and uses in some some other nefarious way.....I hate DC now....can’t stand the news, and barely listen to conversations about politics

Sad....it used to be one of my favorite things

 

[upsideguy]

Obama had his ACA....and it’s passage was his legacy

This will be Trumps....that is why he won’t give in.

And if you think in the long run the American people will put the full brunt of this solely on Trump and the republicans then I guess you don’t know America very well. Both sides will get blamed....both sides will get skewered for ****ing things up....and both sides should....

Our government is broke....has been for 25 plus years now....the word compromise doesn’t exist....my way or the highway is how both parties want to play....

There used to be deal makers in DC....guys who would reach accross the aisle to scratch each other’s back....now, it is how can I make the other guys look bad....

This will not end well....for either side....and every trick one side uses, the other side comes back and uses in some some other nefarious way.....I hate DC now....can’t stand the news, and barely listen to conversations about politics

Sad....it used to be one of my favorite things

Not comparable. The PPACA was passed through regular order with a congressional majority. It did not involve a government shut down. Healthcare reform was the major issue of the 2008 campaign, which Obama won with greater than 50% of the vote. Obama had a mandate and the votes.

Trump has no such mandate and is trying to ram an unpopular piece of legislation through congress outside of regular order. Now, McConnell could overturn Trump tomorrow and open the government, so much of this is on him at the moment. The public, fortunately, gets that.

If Trump or the Republicans or whoever wants this wall, its there job to get the votes. They want the wall, trade for the votes via comprehensive immigration reform or DACA or something. That is the way our government is suppose to work. The minority simply bullying is not the way its suppose to work.

My guess is your are confusing Ted Cruz's feeble attempt to overturn the PPACA through the use of a government shutdown, an other egregious misuse of power.

If you are going to draw analogies, please make them apples to apples rather than apples to asparagus.

 

[Moderate Right]

Keeping the federal government running is "a scorched Earth policy"? Since when?

What? They DON'T want to keep the government open.