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so? I suppose you think children should just be homeless or starve, because of the choices their parents made at a young age....and I bet you think abortion should be illegal as well.

Does it really make sense to base someone’s pay (or tax bill) on how many dependents they elected to have?
 

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so? I suppose you think children should just be homeless or starve, because of the choices their parents made at a young age....and I bet you think abortion should be illegal as well.
Well, I don't think children should be homeless or starve, but I do think those who bring children into the world knowing they can't afford to provide the necessary care for them should be brought to bear the responsibility for them, ad learn to make better choices going forward.
And wrong again, I support abortion being made illegal ONLY after the Woman has agreed to the birth being recorded, which should be shortly after the birth has completed and she has had time to confer with her Doctor about the child.
 

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so? I suppose you think children should just be homeless or starve, because of the choices their parents made at a young age....and I bet you think abortion should be illegal as well.
That's an interesting observation: the group of people insisting if you can't afford to pay for children on your own then don't have them are pretty much the same group of people that want to prevent women from getting abortions except for rape, incest or threat of death, refuse to allow government subsidy of the most effective women's contraceptives and support the Hyde Amendment.
 

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This is one item that Congress is mulling over in one of these mega spending deals.
How is this going to work? Will there be standards to be met before a business can accept children. Will there be price controls? How will fraud be addressed? Whenever the government becomes the paymaster, the crooks line up….Social Security, Medicare, pretty much any program that Uncle Sam gets into, the money disappears real quick.

Oprah got nothing on the gubbmint….
We could simplify Government and lower the Cost through equal protection of our at-will employment laws in our at-will employment States.
 

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So what?

Home mortgages are cheaper than ever... by unfathomable amounts. I had to pay 17% on my first home, if some punk pays 3% he has plenty left over to pay for childcare.

In 1980, the median sales price of a home was $63,700. If you put no money down, 17% on a $63,700.00 mortgage amortized over 30 years is $908.00 (excluding insurance and property taxes). In 2021, the average home sales price is $374,900. If you put no money down, a $374,900 mortgage amortized over 30 years at the current prime interest rate of 3.25% is $1,632.00 (again, excluding any insurance or property taxes held in escrow).

Now you are right. That interest rate makes the underlying debt more bearable and that payment is not too bad all thing considered. Except when you take into account that the savings provided by this lower interest rate is eaten up by inflation, where costs of literally everything have increased from 1980 to 2020 on average by 214%.

But this is of no relevance anyway. If you want a kid, pay for it.

Cost of living is literally of relevance when that is the main reason most people who want to have children are refraining from having them. And it certainly is to you since you do not want to pay to increase our nation's social safety net. Part of the reason fewer and fewer people are having children is because it costs more than ever to care for them and it costs more for everything else. Our economy is going to suffer if we have a generational loss of children who are not born. I have no desire to enter into a delayed economic death spiral like France after World War One, except without having the excuse that we lost over a million and a half healthy young men who would have otherwise become fathers.

**** your student debt, you should have joined the countries socialized work program, the armed forces. Not only does this socialist organization train you for free, they feed and clothe you too.

So you are okay for shelling out your taxpayer dollars for servicemen and women to get bachelor and graduate degrees but not to make sure people can get childcare? By what principle do you want your taxpayer dollars not going towards anything that does not immediately benefit you personally? Would you say, also be okay with abolishing Medicare for the elderly since you are obviously wealthy enough to pay for your own healthcare insurance and costs?

And for the record, I do not have student loan debt. I am in the privileged minority of Millennials whose parents were able to cash-flow my university and graduate education, and for which I am eternally grateful to them.
 

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Which are also unconstitutional...

It's how serfs are made, wealth is stolen, and freedom destroyed.

Medicare will be insolvent in 5 years. The debt will over $50 trillion in 5 year, almost 200% of GDP... CNN not keeping you up to speed??

You seem content to believe the lies, so I'll just wish you luck, you're gonna need it.
I take it you won't ever claim any of those? You will support yourself right until you die?
 

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So you are okay for shelling out your taxpayer dollars for servicemen and women to get bachelor and graduate degrees

Really, I am? First I hear.

In 1980, the median sales price of a home was $63,700. If you put no money down, 17% on a $63,700.00 mortgage amortized over 30 years is $908.00 (excluding insurance and property taxes). In 2021, the average home sales price is $374,900.

LOL, you go from medium to average

You neglect to include wages.

Fine post. 🤡

The bottom line, it is far easier to buy a home today than in 1980.

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Pay for your own damned kids.
 

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Really, I am? First I hear.



LOL, you go from medium to average

You neglect to include wages.

Fine post. 🤡

The bottom line, it is far easier to buy a home today than in 1980.

Mixing up median and average is no big deal. 1980 wages for 1980 prices is no problem. Considering you showed NO working yourself, I'd say you're debunked.

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Pay for your own damned kids.

They're not your kids, as you surely know. They will be adults one day, better or worse ones for childhood experience.

Everybody gains, particularly in their own retirement, if kids grow up well. Everybody loses if they grow up badly.

Doesn't it bother you just a bit to be calling human beings property? "My" kids. "Your" kids. "Pay for" them. Are children slaves?
 

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Why post such nonsense?

There's nothing else going on. Just waiting for your numbers on "houses were more expensive in 1980".

I could do the numbers, but why should I? It's your claim.

Children are not property, btw. Your argument "people should pay for their own kids" implies ... that they're property.
 

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There's nothing else going on. Just waiting for your numbers on "houses were more expensive in 1980".

I could do the numbers, but why should I? It's your claim.

Children are not property, btw. Your argument "people should pay for their own kids" implies ... that they're property.
You are consistent! 🤡
 

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so how do you explain that we have universal healthcare (paid through taxes), everyone gets quality treatment (no need to give me bull about it not being quality, I have lived here all my life and never had anything but the best care), we have a lower infant mortality rate, longer life expectancy, way lower drug prices and we pay LESS per capita than Americans do? Of course, NOTHING is free, that is a misnomer, but so is this canard that the cost is shifted to someone else. I mean, really - do you not pay for roads that EVERYONE else uses?
sheesh!
Amen to that. I've had to explain to my friends (here) that Australian heathcare is not free. We (and you/Canadians) just don't allow certain individuals to ram 2x4's up our asses. :)
 

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I take it you won't ever claim any of those? You will support yourself right until you die?
Actually yes, I'm self employed. I'm a small business owner.

Even if I weren't though, I would be opposed to them on multiple levels. Economic, governance, constitutionally, and personal finance.

It's sad that Americans know nothing about any of those topics.
 

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Median home price 1980 was 66.4 thousand
Median home price now is 374.9 thousand
FRED

Inflation multiplier 3.32
Calculator

66.4 < 112.9 .... = 374.9 / 3.32

Or 70% cheaper if you still care.
 

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Of course it’s infinitely more complicated than that, but complex issues are very baffling to your average Trumpist.
Unfortunately Leftists are incapable of explaining and justifying their ideology, that's why they silence opposition or questions whenever possible; just like China.
 

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Unfortunately Leftists are incapable of explaining and justifying their ideology, that's why they silence opposition or questions whenever possible; just like China.
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So what?

Home mortgages are cheaper than ever... by unfathomable amounts. I had to pay 17% on my first home, if some punk pays 3% he has plenty left over to pay for childcare.

But this is of no relevance anyway. If you want a kid, pay for it.

**** your student debt, you should have joined the countries socialized work program, the armed forces. Not only does this socialist organization train you for free, they feed and clothe you too.
I paid off my student debt in full.
I gave 5.5 of my youthful years to the military and they gave me the GI Bill, mortgage assistance, and VA benefits. I consider that a fair trade.
It was not free but it was profitable.
Young people should realize the benefit of service in the military.
If they don't then they are missing out on an opportunity open to anyone - including non-citizens.
 

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Young people should realize the benefit of service in the military.

I am against these benefits. No private business offer such expensive benefits.

I favor universal servitude for all citizenry with no benefits. It's our obligation to serve, IMHO.
 

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I am against these benefits. No private business offer such expensive benefits.

I favor universal servitude for all citizenry with no benefits. It's our obligation to serve, IMHO.
I, too, favor universal service to our country.
But in this rich country with so many opportunities for education and wealth creation, you need incentives for those who cannot afford a college education and for those who do not know what they want to do with their lives.
 

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I am against these benefits. No private business offer such expensive benefits.

I favor universal servitude for all citizenry with no benefits. It's our obligation to serve, IMHO.

By what principle is it our collective obligation to risk our lives and limbs without any benefit whatsoever, but not our collective obligation to pay for the care of one another's children, or medical care, or anything else?
 
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