France: Teacher on the run after criticizing Muhammad (1 Viewer)

[The face of Jacob]

Philosophy teacher Robert Redeker is on the run since fundamentalists threatened to kill him for his article on violence within Islam

Shirli Sitbon Published: 10.05.06, 11:20

The French Jewish umbrella group CRIF has called on French authorities to defend philosophy teacher Robert Redeker who is on the run since fundamentalists threatened to kill him for his article on violence within Islam in national newspaper le Figaro.

In his September 19 article: “Facing fundamentalist intimidation, what should the free world do?" Redeker attempted to shake public opinion following the Pope's quotes on Islam and the anger they raised in certain Muslim communities.

Redeker described Muhammad as a “ruthless and looter warlord, a Jew slaughterer and a polygamist”. He also compared Islam to communism.

Several days after the publication Redeker’s life changed as he became the target of several death threats by Muslim fundamentalist groups. His three children are now hiding in boarding schools and Redeker and his wife have been continuously fleeing from one hideout to another, under police protection.


Abandoned

Redeker told news radio Europe 1 he felt abandoned as aside from police protection he had to find hideouts on his own. He claimed French authorities provided him with no means to hide from fundamentalists.

CRIF said French authorities must not only protect Redeker but also enable him to resume his work in a high school near Toulouse.

“Accepting his absence from school because of threats issued by fundamentalists on the Internet is a grave resignation to these intimidation attempts,” the organization said in a press release.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3311396,00.html

 

[Gardener]

During the period when the Nazis came to power in Germany, there was a window of opportunity for escape. Too few took this opportunity even though the rhetorec and political climate provided the writing on the wall. Obviously, it is difficult to uproot onesself and move to a totally alien environment, but there were many indications of the impending Holocaust and too few escaped.

as far as France is concerned, I would say that window of opportunity is right now. The writing is on the wall and if I were Jewish and living in France, I would be considering Aliyah right about now. Either that, or moving to the U.S. or Australia or something. If I were speaking up against Islamism and the system did not support me, I would also consider emigrating.

France is lost unless people there can shake this idiotic political correctness where one has to support genocidal racists in order to avoid charges that they are racists, themselves. The Dutch have started to come to grips with this, and so perhaps there is hope for the French, but I doubt it.

 

[Captain America]

Just speakin' for myself, but I think that the Allah and Mohammud characters are pricks. Their religion sucks. Their philosophy stinks. Their fundies who actually swallow that crap are dangerous retards.

I wish they would come to my door seeking to harm me for my opinion. I just wish. :shoot

Q. Wadda call 20,000 dead Islamaniacs at the bottom of the ocean?

A. A pretty damn good start. :rofl

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

 

[jallman]

These people are barbarian low-lifes who think that they can implement thug rule through violence. I don't give a flying rat's arse what their warlord of a "prophet" says about spreading their faith by the sword. Their freedom to exercise this degenerate practice ends when people of real faith begin getting hurt by their rabid gangs. Why aren't non-fundamental muslims raising hell over what their "lesser" counterparts are doing?

 

[danarhea]

Just speakin' for myself, but I think that the Allah and Mohammud characters are pricks. Their religion sucks. Their philosophy stinks. Their fundies who actually swallow that crap are dangerous retards.

I wish they would come to my door seeking to harm me for my opinion. I just wish. :shoot

Q. Wadda call 20,000 dead Islamaniacs at the bottom of the ocean?

A. A pretty damn good start. :rofl

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

As long as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are with them.

 

[Flea]

Philosophy teacher Robert Redeker is on the run since fundamentalists threatened to kill him for his article on violence within Islam

One makes claim of violence in Islam
Islamist try to KILL him

Do the Islamic Fundamentalists actually try and prove everybody correct about their violent ways, or is it coincidence?

Draw cartoon and you die along with many innocent people
Do something to a book and you die with many innocent people

France is lost unless people there can shake this idiotic political correctness

Looks like the Good Ol' USA is a gonner too then

 

[PeteEU]

Religion sucks period.

Oh and he was insulting in his comments, but that is his right. Just as its others rights to insult christianity and not get killed for it... just as long as you did not live 200 plus years ago (or even 50 years ago some places).

But why is a jewish group fanning the flames in this way? Almost seems they want a confrontation with Islam....but frankly not really been on the radar here, mostly in France though.

 

[dsanthony]

Philosophy teacher Robert Redeker is on the run since fundamentalists threatened to kill him for his article on violence within Islam

Shirli Sitbon Published: 10.05.06, 11:20

The French Jewish umbrella group CRIF has called on French authorities to defend philosophy teacher Robert Redeker who is on the run since fundamentalists threatened to kill him for his article on violence within Islam in national newspaper le Figaro.

In his September 19 article: “Facing fundamentalist intimidation, what should the free world do?" Redeker attempted to shake public opinion following the Pope's quotes on Islam and the anger they raised in certain Muslim communities.

Redeker described Muhammad as a “ruthless and looter warlord, a Jew slaughterer and a polygamist”. He also compared Islam to communism.

Several days after the publication Redeker’s life changed as he became the target of several death threats by Muslim fundamentalist groups. His three children are now hiding in boarding schools and Redeker and his wife have been continuously fleeing from one hideout to another, under police protection.


Abandoned

Redeker told news radio Europe 1 he felt abandoned as aside from police protection he had to find hideouts on his own. He claimed French authorities provided him with no means to hide from fundamentalists.

CRIF said French authorities must not only protect Redeker but also enable him to resume his work in a high school near Toulouse.

“Accepting his absence from school because of threats issued by fundamentalists on the Internet is a grave resignation to these intimidation attempts,” the organization said in a press release.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3311396,00.html

Another Islamic victory...

 

[akyron]

German Who Created Koran Toilet Paper Convicted

"the judge told the 61-year-old retired businessman that the sentence was one year because of the international political rioting and unrest in the past month over cartoons that Muslims regard as offensive because they depict the Prophet Mohammed. "

A senior prosecutor praised the sentence as a "clear deterrent to others."

The accused told the court he had spent about 15 years of his life in Islamic nations such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and had developed a fierce antipathy towards Islam.

"He claimed he devised the plan in response to the terrorist attacks by Islamists on London public transport last year and the assassination of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh in November 2004 by an Islamic fanatic.

He told the court he had wanted to raise a monument to the victims of Islamist terrorism and believed he could raise donations with the paper.

Angry Muslims in Germany have sent him threatening messages for several weeks and the man said he feared for his life and was being protected by police bodyguards. "


In Germany they would have jailed the good professor. The German never should have mailed them to mosques. That is semi-threatening. I guess he could have claimed to be resupplying them.

 

[Flea]

Angry Muslims in Germany have sent him threatening messages

What a surprise :roll:

 

[doughgirl]

“As long as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are with them.”

If you can’t tell the difference between these two you mention and the radical fundamental Islamists then you know nothing about Islam. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

The toilet paper incident that one poster talked about makes me think even about our own country, how we are so politically correct in protecting certain things....Islam.


I remember all the hoopla in New York City a few years back when artists from Britain…..covered the Virgin Mary in elephant dung.
What would happen had the figure been Mohammed? Allah? Do you think they would have continued to allow a display of art such as this to remain?
I bet not. Liberals never would have had allowed it to be shown.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/entertainment/july-dec99/art_10-8.html


People walk on pins and needles to honor Islam whether they are Islamic or not. Anything goes if ya want to bash Christianity and Jesus.

 

[jallman]

If you can’t tell the difference between these two you mention and the radical fundamental Islamists then you know nothing about Islam. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

The toilet paper incident that one poster talked about makes me think even about our own country, how we are so politically correct in protecting certain things....Islam.


I remember all the hoopla in New York City a few years back when artists from Britain…..covered the Virgin Mary in elephant dung.
What would happen had the figure been Mohammed? Allah? Do you think they would have continued to allow a display of art such as this to remain?
I bet not. Liberals never would have had allowed it to be shown.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/entertainment/july-dec99/art_10-8.html

People walk on pins and needles to honor Islam whether they are Islamic or not. Anything goes if ya want to bash Christianity and Jesus.

You are kidding, right? Christians get no more attack than we deserve for some of the things we have and still assert and perpetrate. I hardly think that there is an overwhelming anti-Christian sentiment as opposed to a similar sentiment with Islam. The only difference is that our Christ figure taught us to forgive and not decry our persecutions whereas the devil Mohammed taught that his followers should put all infidels to the sword.

The difference between Christians and Islamotards is that we have evolved to a state of diplomacy in our spirituality while they continue to behave like third world barbarians.

 

[doughgirl]

Jallman said, “You are kidding, right? Christians get no more attack than we deserve for some of the things we have and still assert and perpetrate. I hardly think that there is an overwhelming anti-Christian sentiment as opposed to a similar sentiment with Islam. The only difference is that our Christ figure taught us to forgive and not decry our persecutions whereas the devil Mohammed taught that his followers should put all infidels to the sword.

The difference between Christians and Islamotards is that we have evolved to a state of diplomacy in our spirituality while they continue to behave like third world barbarians.”

The one point I was trying to make was that you can’t compare Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell to any radical Islamic fundamentalist. You just can't.
You are right about Jesus teaching us to forgive compared to what Muhammed taught because they taught vastly different things. Jesus was about peace and forgiveness and repentance….Muhammed, well I’m sure you know what he taught I won’t go into it here.

A point about your statement. Obviously you see the differences between the two religions. Do you really think the average America sees the differences however? I don’t think so. How many do you think have read the Bible let alone, the Koran or the Hadiths?

I questioned Bush right away when he called Islam a religion of peace and so did a lot of other people. I will admit I never read the Koran or the Hadiths or read anything about Islam until 9-11.

I do disagree with you however that Christianity around the globe is treading on thin ice.
The Bible in many countries already has been categorized as “hate literature” and if you speak or quote scripture that goes against what is politically correct, your fined or imprisoned. You want examples I’ll gladly give you the sources.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

This quote from the article:

“ruthless and looter warlord, a Jew slaughterer and a polygamist”.

Is most certainly over the top and uncalled for and while I am an agnostic I won't stand for this kind of bigotry when it comes to Christianity and Judaism and I won't stand for it when it comes to Islam (or any religion for that matter), and if he said it in a class or made it a part of his curriculum he should be fired, our war is not one against Islam it is against Islamic-fascists, the sad part is that by threatening this mans life for his thoughtless words these Islamist fanatics only further cement the idea that all Muslims are violent extremists. This rift would be considerably lessened if more of the good Muslims would actually stand up and denounce these people but unfortunately for them they are either afraid or apathetic.

 

[Captain America]

The one point I was trying to make was that you can’t compare Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell to any radical Islamic fundamentalist. You just can't.

For once, I have to agree with Dohgirl. There's a huge difference between just being a prick, in general, and preaching hate and intolerance and being a murderous terrorist. A HUGE difference.

But that does not mean that we should let the Falwells and Robertsons and Phelps type whackos people go without mention. But to compare them to Islamatards is NOT apples for apples.

Still, just the same, I see know harm in locking them all in the same room and throwing away the key.

 

[Flea]

But being fired is way different than being threatened to be killed

 

[akyron]

But being fired is way different than being threatened to be killed

Italian nun shot dead in Somalia

OR just plain killed.


"I am sure the killers were angered by the pope's speech in which he attacked our prophet," said Ashe Ahmed Ali, one of the many who witnessed the shooting.

"These gunmen always look for white people to kill, and now the pope gave them the reason to do their worst," said Mohamud Durguf Derow, another witness.


Oh thats cool. The pope repeated a saying so its cool to shoot a 60 year old nun in the back.
Morons.:doh

 

[Kelzie]

This quote from the article:



Is most certainly over the top and uncalled for and while I am an agnostic I won't stand for this kind of bigotry when it comes to Christianity and Judaism and I won't stand for it when it comes to Islam (or any religion for that matter), and if he said it in a class or made it a part of his curriculum he should be fired, our war is not one against Islam it is against Islamic-fascists, the sad part is that by threatening this mans life for his thoughtless words these Islamist fanatics only further cement the idea that all Muslims are violent extremists. This rift would be considerably lessened if more of the good Muslims would actually stand up and denounce these people but unfortunately for them they are either afraid or apathetic.

And why exactly should he be fired? For insulting a person from history? You going to rant and rave anytime someone calls Hitler "evil"? Muhammed was a "ruthless and looter warlord, a Jew slaughterer and a polygamist." There is more than ample evidence to support his statement.

 

[doughgirl]

"But that does not mean that we should let the Falwells and Robertsons and Phelps type whackos people go without mention."

What have they said or done in particular that you find to be dangerous? They excersize their freedom of speech like any other high profile person does.....Michael Moore, Nancy Sheehan, "left wing" politians". How is what they say any more harmful then those who said Bush was comparable to Hitler?

I believe people should have the right to speak, but with boundaries on where then can spew their message.

 

[Rachel]

Religion sucks period.

Not all religion is bad. Just religious extremism.

Unfortunately, the Muslim world is still ideologically stuck in the dark ages.
Muslims should really do some soul searching and ask themselves whether some of this violence we see everywhere isn't also due to their intolerant teachings...

 

[Deegan]

It is our free speech that has these clerics in such a wonderful position, they use these words everyday to fan the flames, and some think the answer is to just not talk about it. I happen to disagree with that assumption, and think that it is imperative that we continue to talk about it, and hopefully change some minds, especially among the more moderate Muslims. Now of course these ignorant acts of disrespect are not helpful, but we cannot expect folks to put aside their God given rights, just to appease a few radicals. I think that the longer this goes on, the more these people will realize that the sky is not falling, and that their religion will survive.

We have to address these radical clerics though, especially when they control the largest country in the M.E! This is the solution to all of our problems, and will eventually free those under that religious rule. Perhaps we have made things worse in the M.E, but I know in my heart, something had to be done, the problem has festered long enough!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

And why exactly should he be fired?

If this was part of his curriculum and/or he said it during class? For bigotry in the classroom. Yes Mohammad is a historical person but to many he is also an important religous icon and a teacher should know better. This kind of crap doesn't belong in a classroom I wouldn't stand for it if a teacher made similar statements about the Christian or Jewish faith during class and I won't stand for a teacher alienating any of his students who may believe in a higher power. If the teacher wanted to discuss religion during class he should have done so in an objective not a subjective manner.

You going to rant and rave anytime someone calls Hitler "evil"?

Actually this would be akin to teaching the protocals of the elder of Zion in the classroom as the Nazis did in the Reich.

Muhammed was a "ruthless and looter warlord, a Jew slaughterer and a polygamist." There is more than ample evidence to support his statement.

And there's ample evidence to suggest that Martin Luther King Jr. was a communist but do you think that should be taught in the classroom?

 

[easyt65]

France: Teacher on the run after criticizing Muhammad

So much for the beliefs of 'Muslim Tolerance' and that if we just became isolationists that the Islamic Extremists would leave us alone?! :roll:

 

[Kelzie]

If this was part of his curriculum and/or he said it during class? For bigotry in the classroom. Yes Mohammad is a historical person but to many he is also an important religous icon and a teacher should know better. This kind of crap doesn't belong in a classroom I wouldn't stand for it if a teacher started said similar statements about the Christian or Jewish faith during class and I won't stand for a teacher alienating any of his students who may believe in a higher power. If the teacher wanted to discuss religion during class he should have done so in an objective not a subjective manner.

The teacher did not criticize the Islamic faith. He criticized a historical person, accurately might I add. Are we now not allowed to say anything negative about people in history? When did you turn into such a PC Queen?

Actually this would be akin to teaching the protocals of the elder of Zion in the classroom during as the Nazis did in the Reich.

What are you talking about?

And there's ample evidence to suggest that Martin Luther King Jr. was a communist but do you think that should be taught in the classroom?

Sure, why not?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The teacher did not criticize the Islamic faith. He criticized a historical person, accurately might I add. Are we now not allowed to say anything negative about people in history? When did you turn into such a PC Queen?

He may be a historical person to you but to Muslims he is their most important prophet, you can discuss religion in a historical context in an objective manner without alienating your students.

What are you talking about?

I'm saying that similar things were taught about the Jewish religion in Nazi Germany.

Sure, why not?

Because it's slanderous unsubstantiated libel.