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French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin on Friday warned of more attacks as the country was placed on maximum security alert following Thursday’s deadly attack by a knife-wielding man at the Basilica of Notre-Dame in the southern city of Nice.
“We are in a war against an enemy that is both inside and outside,” Darmanin told a French radio station. "We need to understand that there have been and there will be other events such as these terrible attacks.”
https://www.france24.com/en/france/...t-after-deadly-stabbing-attack-in-nice-church

The whole European Union must join with France which stands for secularism and rejects the influence of sectarianism. There are member states in the EU where Christianity is established as part of the prevailing culture, notably Poland and Hungary and where to be Catholic defines nationality. Europeans are being forced to make a choice these days and the French are leading the way. There is a bright future which includes all of us regardless of our private religious affiliations and none. Let us be inspired with the principles of Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, and to believe in ourselves in the knowledge that People are the Greatest.


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Fine sentiments, but you are talking about France, right? Haughty, judgemental, oppositional, chauvinistic France. I agree with their principled stance against militant Islamists trying to control the terms of public debate through the application of terrorism. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Blowing up environmentalist's boats in New Zealand, breaking into foreign banks, vacillating on NATO membership, Elf-Aquitaine scandals. France is a European node for corruption at the highest levels and is a champion of underhanded politics as well as forceful neo-colonialism in North Africa. Libya is still in spasms over French leadership of the 2011 military intervention and Mali is a simmering cauldron ready to boil over in blood in an effort to throw the French military out.

Beware the French, they can be a scurrilous lot if needs be.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
 
Fine sentiments, but you are talking about France, right? Haughty, judgemental, oppositional, chauvinistic France. I agree with their principled stance against militant Islamists trying to control the terms of public debate through the application of terrorism. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Blowing up environmentalist's boats in New Zealand, breaking into foreign banks, vacillating on NATO membership, Elf-Aquitaine scandals. France is a European node for corruption at the highest levels and is a champion of underhanded politics as well as forceful neo-colonialism in North Africa. Libya is still in spasms over French leadership of the 2011 military intervention and Mali is a simmering cauldron ready to boil over in blood in an effort to throw the French military out.

Beware the French, they can be a scurrilous lot if needs be.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
No, Evil, if you read my opening sentence once again, you will see I am referring to "The whole European Union ...". My opening post is a call to reject sectarianism and join with the French people at this time. Les gens sont les meilleurs.
 
No, Evil, if you read my opening sentence once again, you will see I am referring to "The whole European Union ...". My opening post is a call to reject sectarianism and join with the French people at this time. Les gens sont les meilleurs.

The best?!? Okay. That's a very interesting position, but I am too tired to explore it now. As to European solidarity behind France, in opposition to Islamist terrorism, yes, that is spot on. But it will go to France's already swollen metaphorical and collective head. They'll become more insufferable than they already are. I am Quebecois and we have a rather dim view of these Gallic-Franks and their high-nosed descendants. Bretegnes are cool, Normans are odd, the Touraine and Loire Valley are a marvel, but the Iles de Paris is a den of scheming serpents only matched by Budapest and the City in London.

Cheers, be well and good night.
Evilroddy.
 
No, Evil, if you read my opening sentence once again, you will see I am referring to "The whole European Union ...". My opening post is a call to reject sectarianism and join with the French people at this time. Les gens sont les meilleurs.


What are you going to do?

Are you going to go "mosque to mosque" and tell devoted Muslim's to place western values ahead of Islam?

Good luck with that.
 
German President Steinmeier cautions against 'hate and xenophobia' after Nice attack
After the deadly attack at a church in Nice, German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier told DW France and Europe must stand up to acts of brutality. He also said hate should not dictate the response to the attack. German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier condemned the violence in an exclusive interview with DW on Friday. He said his thoughts "are above all with the relatives" of the three victims who were killed. At the same time, he called for a response that is not dictated by "hate." "I believe what we in Europe, and not just in France, must do now is to stand up to this act of brutality and the Islamist motives behind it. In our democratic societies, above all, we should not base the response of the state on a course determined by hate and xenophobia," Steinmeier said.

It appears the German president is offering leadership on behalf of the European Union pressing for solidarity in standing up against Islamist brutality and presenting an alternative based on human decency and social cohesion.
 
French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin on Friday warned of more attacks as the country was placed on maximum security alert following Thursday’s deadly attack by a knife-wielding man at the Basilica of Notre-Dame in the southern city of Nice.
“We are in a war against an enemy that is both inside and outside,” Darmanin told a French radio station. "We need to understand that there have been and there will be other events such as these terrible attacks.”
https://www.france24.com/en/france/...t-after-deadly-stabbing-attack-in-nice-church

The whole European Union must join with France which stands for secularism and rejects the influence of sectarianism. There are member states in the EU where Christianity is established as part of the prevailing culture, notably Poland and Hungary and where to be Catholic defines nationality. Europeans are being forced to make a choice these days and the French are leading the way. There is a bright future which includes all of us regardless of our private religious affiliations and none. Let us be inspired with the principles of Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, and to believe in ourselves in the knowledge that People are the Greatest.


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no France must stand for Catholicism like their kings did
 
French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin on Friday warned of more attacks as the country was placed on maximum security alert following Thursday’s deadly attack by a knife-wielding man at the Basilica of Notre-Dame in the southern city of Nice.
“We are in a war against an enemy that is both inside and outside,” Darmanin told a French radio station. "We need to understand that there have been and there will be other events such as these terrible attacks.”
https://www.france24.com/en/france/...t-after-deadly-stabbing-attack-in-nice-church

The whole European Union must join with France which stands for secularism and rejects the influence of sectarianism. There are member states in the EU where Christianity is established as part of the prevailing culture, notably Poland and Hungary and where to be Catholic defines nationality. Europeans are being forced to make a choice these days and the French are leading the way. There is a bright future which includes all of us regardless of our private religious affiliations and none. Let us be inspired with the principles of Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, and to believe in ourselves in the knowledge that People are the Greatest.


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also where are the terrorist attacks in poland and Hungary-a state religion works
 
German President Steinmeier cautions against 'hate and xenophobia' after Nice attack
After the deadly attack at a church in Nice, German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier told DW France and Europe must stand up to acts of brutality. He also said hate should not dictate the response to the attack. German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier condemned the violence in an exclusive interview with DW on Friday. He said his thoughts "are above all with the relatives" of the three victims who were killed. At the same time, he called for a response that is not dictated by "hate." "I believe what we in Europe, and not just in France, must do now is to stand up to this act of brutality and the Islamist motives behind it. In our democratic societies, above all, we should not base the response of the state on a course determined by hate and xenophobia," Steinmeier said.

It appears the German president is offering leadership on behalf of the European Union pressing for solidarity in standing up against Islamist brutality and presenting an alternative based on human decency and social cohesion.
the only way to peace is for different defined lands and countries not social mixing-https://necsi.edu/good-fences-the-importance-of-setting-boundaries-for-peaceful-coexistence
 
French authorities have called up 3,500 reservists to serve in the police in connection with the terrorist attack in Nice.
Above all, don't forget to add 2% of GDP to the NATO budget. Otherwise, Russia will attack!
 
Lucky thing they don't trick or treat. There would be many little heads rolling around Rue de Elm.
 
Macron was so diligent in defending European values.
He imposed sanctions against Russia, and the French air force protects the Baltic States, NATO exercises are held near the borders of Russia, and he supported Ukraine ...
Strange, what did Macron miss? Why don't the french have a sense of security?...
 
Macron was so diligent in defending European values.
He imposed sanctions against Russia, and the French air force protects the Baltic States, NATO exercises are held near the borders of Russia, and he supported Ukraine ...
Strange, what did Macron miss? Why don't the french have a sense of security?...
It takes only one zealot, not even in Europe for one month, to perform a terrorist act with a knife. There is only so much we can do to police our communities.
 
Right-wing authoritarian theocracies like Turkey and Saudi Arabia shouldn't try to force their beliefs on others through threats of political violence. I'll probably be buying some moderately-priced French merch when payday hits in support of the French people in their fight against political and religious extremism (well, everyone, including Muslims, not just French, but the symbolism will be there for generations to come)
 
Suspect detained after Greek Orthodox priest wounded in shooting in France's Lyon
An attacker armed with a sawn-off shotgun on Saturday wounded a Greek Orthodox priest in a shooting in the French city of Lyon before fleeing, said a police source. A suspect has been arrested, the city's public prosecutor said, but could not confirm if the person was the assailant.
Nikolaos Kakavelaki, a 52-year-old priest, who has Greek nationality, was closing his church at 4pm (3pm GMT) when he was attacked and is now in a serious condition in hospital, said the source, who asked not to be named.
The priest was shot in the abdomen at point-blank range, according to sources close to the enquiry.
The assailant fled the scene but later Lyon's public prosecutor Nicolas Jacquet announced that a suspect had been arrested.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/...in-lyon-attacker-on-the-run-french-police-say

Tension is high in France and although there is a general lockdown since Friday, churches are exempt until All Souls Day on Monday in order to allow the faithful to attend Masses for All Saints Day later today.
 
Fine sentiments, but you are talking about France, right? Haughty, judgemental, oppositional, chauvinistic France. I agree with their principled stance against militant Islamists trying to control the terms of public debate through the application of terrorism. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Blowing up environmentalist's boats in New Zealand, breaking into foreign banks, vacillating on NATO membership, Elf-Aquitaine scandals. France is a European node for corruption at the highest levels and is a champion of underhanded politics as well as forceful neo-colonialism in North Africa. Libya is still in spasms over French leadership of the 2011 military intervention and Mali is a simmering cauldron ready to boil over in blood in an effort to throw the French military out.

Beware the French, they can be a scurrilous lot if needs be.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

Yeah but I'd still prefer to be able to talk them into doing something to help us "Le Ugly Americains" if we need it.
They did once, ya know ;)
 
CBS:

The French cooperated with the US when it suited their goals. In the last century they cooperated with you when you came to repel the Imperial German armies from French soil. Then they cooperated with you to repel Nazi German armies from occupying France. Then they dropped you in a sh**-show of imperial entanglement that cost your country another 50,000 dead in SE Asia and they almost succeeded in sucking you into a bigger mess in Africa, a mess which ended the Fourth Republic. They sold Nuclear technology to the nascent State of Israel and some other more nasty regimes around the world. They filled the coffers of their national wealth by selling arms hither, thither and yawn to dictators and revolutionaries alike. Then they pulled out of NATO. I could go on right up to the modern day and the Libya debacle but this is a tangent on Jean-S's OP, so I will spare all more details.

Yes, France is taking a principled stance now in opposition to Islamist terrorism but that terror, as monstrous as it is, is in part coming at France due to France's foreign policy and abuse of others in its pursuit of national interests.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
 
CBS:

The French cooperated with the US when it suited their goals. In the last century they cooperated with you when you came to repel the Imperial German armies from French soil. Then they cooperated with you to repel Nazi German armies from occupying France. Then they dropped you in a sh**-show of imperial entanglement that cost your country another 50,000 dead in SE Asia and they almost succeeded in sucking you into a bigger mess in Africa, a mess which ended the Fourth Republic. They sold Nuclear technology to the nascent State of Israel and some other more nasty regimes around the world. They filled the coffers of their national wealth by selling arms hither, thither and yawn to dictators and revolutionaries alike. Then they pulled out of NATO. I could go on right up to the modern day and the Libya debacle but this is a tangent on Jean-S's OP, so I will spare all more details.

Yes, France is taking a principled stance now in opposition to Islamist terrorism but that terror, as monstrous as it is, is in part coming at France due to France's foreign policy and abuse of others in its pursuit of national interests.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
I cannot agree that a French schoolteacher and worshippers in Nice and an Orthodox priest in Lyon are in the slightest responsible even in part for the gruesome attacks they suffered.
 
French Catholics on Sunday celebrated the All Saints religious festival under heavy security, as police made two new arrests over a knife attack on a church in the southern city of Nice blamed on an Islamist assailant.
In Nice, three men were released from police custody on Sunday after authorities determined they were not linked to the suspected attacker, a source close to the investigation said.
Three men remain in custody, including a 29-year-old Tunisian suspected of migrating with the suspect from their homeland to France.
The tensions did not prevent Catholics going to church to celebrate the All Saints holiday in Nice, authorities allowing an exemption during the coronavirus lockdown.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...ts-as-catholics-pray-in-shadow-of-nice-attack

France must find unity in defense of the values of secularism and other European countries must recognize the importance of solidarity in promoting our common our way of life. Islamism must not be allowed to take root in any part of any European town.
 
With all due respect, what does France expect when it allows in so many immigrants with different social values?

Instead of mouthing inspirational words, might it not be time to limit immigration and deport some of the bad apples?

(I have read that even Sweden was preparing to deport some refugees.)
 
With all due respect, what does France expect when it allows in so many immigrants with different social values?

Instead of mouthing inspirational words, might it not be time to limit immigration and deport some of the bad apples?

(I have read that even Sweden was preparing to deport some refugees.)

What different social values? Or rather, what social values?

And "so many".. what exactly does that mean?
 
What different social values? Or rather, what social values?

And "so many".. what exactly does that mean?

I see that you live in Denmark.

I have read that some people in your country are also concerned about immigration.

In the past, I have read (in various sources) that some Danes are not pleased with the immigration situation in their country.

By the tone of your questions, I am guessing that the immigration policy of your country is, however, agreeable to you.

So I shan't waste your time explaining what I mean by "so many" and "social values."

I wish you and your country the best of luck.
 
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I see that you live in Denmark.

I have read that some people in your country are also concerned about immigration.

In the past, I have read (in various sources) that some Danes are not pleased with the immigration situation in their country.

Yes all countries have those kind of people. They are often racists and neo nazis. Their arguments against immigration is often so flawed that it is laughable.

By the tone of your questions, I am guessing that the immigration policy of your country is, however, agreeable to you.

Nope I oppose it. In Denmark we cant marry any non Dane under the age of 24... This law was put in place to stop the 5 or so under 18 marriages being done among a small portion of the immigrant population. Laws like that I am fully against.

So I shan't waste your time explaining what I mean by "so many" and "social values."

I wish you and your country the best of luck.

The problem is "so many" is definition.

France had 128940 applications for asylum in 2019. 75% of those applications were rejected, 15% given asylum and the remaining 10% given special protections but not asylum. In total there are around 400k refugees in France as of 2019. Population is 66 million.. is that "so many"?

And here comes the crux of the problem. Those against immigration cant or wont stick to definitions. They add illegal immigrants to the refugee stats and more than often also legal immigration (depending on from where). And then they add anyone brown or black... so that the debate becomes very dark and racist.

France has had a relatively large portion of its population coming from its former colonies in Northern Africa, Africa, Asia and South America. Now we can discuss if France has done enough to remove racism in society against these French people, but the Front National or whatever they call themselves now, will like many other anti-immigrant parties put this portion of the French population into the same basket as illegals, refugees and legal immigration. And that is a problem no? It would be like saying that all Hispanos in the US were illegals... and all blacks..

There is no doubt that all countries have problems with illegal immigrants. It is hard to deal with them, as their home nations often refuse to take them back. In my own country of Denmark, the far right love to say "Send back criminal migrants".. yea sure, but they forget to mention that we cant because their home countries wont accept them.. Then what?

I am fully against illegal economic immigration. They have no business here period, and I wish we had some ability to kick them out as fast as they get here. But we are under the rule of law, and because we dont have a unified EU immigration policy, then each nation is in charge of negotiating with countries on extradition/kicking out nationals of other countries. Now France has certain power with some nations, like Algeria, but other countries could give a flying **** frankly about their citizens. Now countries like Denmark, have problems with all countries since we dont have any pull what so ever with them. That's why if we have to kick out someone from Algeria, our extradition treaty states that the person who is getting kicked out has to agree. Why did Denmark agree to this? Well, it was a requirement by Algeria to even have a deal... and we had no political or economic power to avoid it. Now had the EU been behind the negotiation, then the tone would have been different no?

Now "Social values".. is that religion? Is that pig eaters versus non pig eaters? Or do you believe that a muslim family has fundamental different social values than a Christian one?
 
With all due respect, what does France expect when it allows in so many immigrants with different social values?

Instead of mouthing inspirational words, might it not be time to limit immigration and deport some of the bad apples?

(I have read that even Sweden was preparing to deport some refugees.)
The Nice killer had only just arrived in Europe and did not have a right of residence. He clearly came to murder. With the collapse of civilization in the Middle |East due to the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq and American involvement in Afghanistan, the civil war in Syria, and the NATO invasion of Libya, there have been millions of refugees seeking asylum. It is not easy finding an Islamist before he does his awful deed in the circumstances we are facing in France and the rest of Europe.
 
France’s schools reopen with national homage to slain teacher Samuel Paty
Schools across France held a minute's silence on Monday in memory of Samuel Paty, the teacher beheaded by a Chechen teenager who wanted to avenge his use of cartoons mocking the Prophet Mohammed during a class on freedom of expression.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...-reopen-with-national-homage-to-slain-teacher

In France, school teaching is considered a noble profession and teachers are considered in the frontline of promoting republican ideals. They deserve the fullest protection the state can offer. Although the schools are returning, it is not only the threat of Islamist rogues which make it harder but also the Covid-19 lockdowns and the difficulty in preparing for the coming term under unusual circumstances.
 
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