France ‘Suppressed News of Gruesome Torture’ at Bataclan Massacre

[CJ 2.0]

Caution: author of source article: Louise Mensch. Discredited British former MP and journalist. And nutcase. Read with caution.

ok chief:

N°*3922 tome 2 - Rapport d'enquête relative aux moyens mis en œuvre par l'Etat pour lutter contre le terrorisme depuis le 7 janvier 2015

https://translate.google.com/transl...ssemblee-nationale.fr/14/rap-enq/r3922-t2.asp

Snip:

M. le président Georges Fenech. En effet, la commission est troublée par ces informations, qui n’ont filtré nulle part. Ainsi, le père de l’une des victimes m’a adressé la copie d’une lettre qu’il a transmise au juge d’instruction, que je cite en résumant : « Sur les causes de la mort de mon fils A., à l’institut médico-légal de Paris, on m’a dit, et ce avec des réserves compte tenu du choc que cela représentait pour moi à cet instant-là, qu’on lui avait coupé les testicules, qu’on les lui avait mis dans la bouche, et qu’il avait été éventré. Lorsque je l’ai vu derrière une vitre, allongé sur une table, un linceul blanc le recouvrant jusqu’au cou, une psychologue m’accompagnait. Cette dernière m’a dit : ‟La seule partie montrable de votre fils est son profil gauche.” J’ai constaté qu’il n’avait plus d’œil droit. J’en ai fait la remarque ; il m’a été répondu qu’ils lui avaient crevé l’œil et enfoncé la face droite de son visage, d’où des hématomes très importants que nous avons pu tous constater lors de sa mise en bière. »


Ce témoignage précis pourrait corroborer les propos que nous a tenus l’un des fonctionnaires de la BAC, selon lequel l’un des enquêteurs a vomi immédiatement en sortant du Bataclan après avoir constaté une décapitation et des éviscérations. Avez-vous connaissance de tels faits ? ...


Translate (from Google, which clearly sucks):

Mr. President Georges Fenech. Indeed, the Committee is troubled by this information which have filtered nowhere. Thus, the father of one of the victims sent me a copy of a letter he sent to the investigating judge, which I quote in summary: "On the causes of the death of my son A., the forensic institute in Paris, I was told, and with reserves given the shock it was for me at that moment, they had cut off his testicles, it's him had put in his mouth, and he was disembowelled. When I saw it behind glass, lying on a table, a white shroud covering it up to the neck, a psychologist with me. The latter said: "The only presentable part of your son's left profile." I found that it had no right eye. I made the remark; I was informed that they had punctured his eye and down the right side of his face, where very large hematoma that we could all see when it is in beer. "


This particular witness could corroborate the statements that kept us one of the BAC officials that one of the investigators vomited immediately on leaving the Bataclan after finding a decapitation and evisceration. Are you aware of such facts? ...




feel free to dig through for more, but people making stuff up don't usually link to official transcripts...

 

[Ahlevah]

Need a better source before I believe this, good lord.

There is a link in his source to a transcript of an inquiry by a commission of the French lower house of parliament. It's rather lengthy and I didn't get to the point in question, but I'm sure the essence of the article can be verified by someone a little more industrious than I am at the moment.

N° 3922 tome 2 - Rapport d'enquête relative aux moyens mis en œuvre par l'Etat pour lutter contre le terrorisme depuis le 7 janvier 2015

 

[Ahlevah]

ok chief:

N°*3922 tome 2 - Rapport d'enquête relative aux moyens mis en œuvre par l'Etat pour lutter contre le terrorisme depuis le 7 janvier 2015

https://translate.google.com/transl...ssemblee-nationale.fr/14/rap-enq/r3922-t2.asp

Snip:

M. le président Georges Fenech. En effet, la commission est troublée par ces informations, qui n’ont filtré nulle part. Ainsi, le père de l’une des victimes m’a adressé la copie d’une lettre qu’il a transmise au juge d’instruction, que je cite en résumant : « Sur les causes de la mort de mon fils A., à l’institut médico-légal de Paris, on m’a dit, et ce avec des réserves compte tenu du choc que cela représentait pour moi à cet instant-là, qu’on lui avait coupé les testicules, qu’on les lui avait mis dans la bouche, et qu’il avait été éventré. Lorsque je l’ai vu derrière une vitre, allongé sur une table, un linceul blanc le recouvrant jusqu’au cou, une psychologue m’accompagnait. Cette dernière m’a dit : ‟La seule partie montrable de votre fils est son profil gauche.” J’ai constaté qu’il n’avait plus d’œil droit. J’en ai fait la remarque ; il m’a été répondu qu’ils lui avaient crevé l’œil et enfoncé la face droite de son visage, d’où des hématomes très importants que nous avons pu tous constater lors de sa mise en bière. »


Ce témoignage précis pourrait corroborer les propos que nous a tenus l’un des fonctionnaires de la BAC, selon lequel l’un des enquêteurs a vomi immédiatement en sortant du Bataclan après avoir constaté une décapitation et des éviscérations. Avez-vous connaissance de tels faits ? ...


Translate (from Google, which clearly sucks):

Mr. President Georges Fenech. Indeed, the Committee is troubled by this information which have filtered nowhere. Thus, the father of one of the victims sent me a copy of a letter he sent to the investigating judge, which I quote in summary: "On the causes of the death of my son A., the forensic institute in Paris, I was told, and with reserves given the shock it was for me at that moment, they had cut off his testicles, it's him had put in his mouth, and he was disembowelled. When I saw it behind glass, lying on a table, a white shroud covering it up to the neck, a psychologist with me. The latter said: "The only presentable part of your son's left profile." I found that it had no right eye. I made the remark; I was informed that they had punctured his eye and down the right side of his face, where very large hematoma that we could all see when it is in beer. "


This particular witness could corroborate the statements that kept us one of the BAC officials that one of the investigators vomited immediately on leaving the Bataclan after finding a decapitation and evisceration. Are you aware of such facts? ...




feel free to dig through for more, but people making stuff up don't usually link to official transcripts...

What he said.

 

[Groogrux]

109 versus of violence in the Quran.

The Quran's Verses of Violence

Try doing a little research before you make a post like this?

'WHOOSH' that's the sound of the sarcasm going right over your head.

 

[Apocalypse]

If authorities are not willing to provide this information to people so it can filter into the democratic process and decision making, all we are going to get is a continuation of the nonsense fairy-land "solutions" that are being pushed by the people's betters.

This sort of expectation that authorities can suppress truth, coupled with diktats from those who suppress information and then formulate policy based on the absence of that information, is precisely why you see movements like Brexit.

EXCLUSIVE: France 'Suppressed News of Gruesome Torture' at Bataclan Massacre

A French government committee has heard testimony, suppressed by the French government at the time and not released to the media, that the killers in the Bataclan tortured their victims on the second floor of the club.

Police witnesses in Parliament said they vomited when they saw the disfigured bodies.

Wahhabist killers apparently gouged out eyes, castrated victims, and shoved their testicles in their mouths. They may also have disemboweled some poor souls. Women were stabbed in the genitals – and all the torture was, victims told police, filmed for Daesh or Islamic State propaganda. For that reason, medics did not release the bodies of torture victims to the families, investigators said.

Here in Israel the government hasn't released information regarding the gruesome acts of barbarism taken by the terrorists during the Munich massacre until 2015. That's 43 years. I can totally understand the French here.

Palestinian terrorists tortured Israeli hostages before 1972 Munich Olympic massacre | Daily Mail Online

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Need a better source before I believe this, good lord.

N° 3922 tome 2 - Rapport d'enquête relative aux moyens mis en œuvre par l'Etat pour lutter contre le terrorisme depuis le 7 janvier 2015

That's the official report released on July 5 from their Inquiry Convention. They quote the document directly (translated).

 

[sangha]

N°*3922 tome 2 - Rapport d'enquête relative aux moyens mis en œuvre par l'Etat pour lutter contre le terrorisme depuis le 7 janvier 2015

That's the official report released on July 5 from their Inquiry Convention. They quote the document directly (translated).

Basically, the evidence that this happened is a letter from the father of a victim saying that some unnamed official told him that his son was tortured.

Not the most credible evidence.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Basically, the evidence that this happened is a letter from the father of a victim saying that some unnamed official told him that his son was tortured.

Not the most credible evidence.

If there are secrets they have to be exposed somehow. That's why they're having an inquiry and all such.
Something worth paying attention to, etc.

 

[RetiredUSN]

'WHOOSH' that's the sound of the sarcasm going right over your head.

Much like the echo chamber between your ears.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

It is better if people know all the truth.

But I can understand what I assume are the motives of the French authorities in this case. To release such gruesome details may do little but cause more hate reprisals against innocent Muslims. The French authorities must be in an INCREDIBLY difficult situation over these attacks (and the one last night in Nice). They have to do what they can to stop these attacks but also not let the public start taking the law into their own hands.

I suspect that most of those that most object to these details being suppressed will be those with the greatest hatred for Muslim extremists...and possibly Muslims as a whole.

Frankly, the fact they did these terrible things to the victims does not shock me, I assume these whacko terrorists are just that...though it deadens my soul a tad.

So you embrace the thought police? There is no reason to suppress information like this. Apologist post at best.

 

[sangha]

If there are secrets they have to be exposed somehow. That's why they're having an inquiry and all such.
Something worth paying attention to, etc.

yes, worth paying attention but I'm not going to believe it until we get more than "someone said that someone told him"

 

[Aunt Spiker]

yes, worth paying attention but I'm not going to believe it until we get more than "someone said that someone told him"

Yeah - I was just giving the original source for the information that was quoted in the article. Seemed a lot like how our Congressional Hearings go.

 

[SailaWay]

all liberal nations are lying and covering up the cause of them having to run in the young to stop their big imbalance of young to old... but the trouble is the ones they are running in totally destroys liberals and liberalism.... too stubborn to take blame for their own errors

 

[austrianecon]

Good point...I had not thought of that.

The terrorists may have done these gruesome things to send a message. It is well known that many terrorist groups actually want to horrify the West to get them more involved in the Middle East (for various reasons). Bin laden did not organize 9/11 to keep America out of the Middle East obviously.

And by suppressing the horror, this may actually REALLY piss off the terror groups who were hoping these details would be released.

I assumed initially that they just did these things because they were just sick. But maybe they did it because they were sick AND because they wanted to horrify the West.

Interesting.

I hold the position that this should have been made public so the French people would really understand how ISIS operates. But because it was kept quiet the populace were kept from knowledge in elections that were held in December 2015 (regional elections) which would have swayed immigration policies.

This is a clear case of Hollande trying to save face.

 

[Kiwimac]

109 versus of violence in the Quran.

The Quran's Verses of Violence

Try doing a little research before you make a post like this?

Should we post the biblical verses as well?

In this world hatred ceases not by Hatred. It ceases only by love.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Should we post the biblical verses as well?

In this world hatred ceases not by Hatred. It ceases only by love.

How many Christians are on a Caliphate in 2016?

 

[Kiwimac]

How many Christians are dominionists? How many Christians believe any other religion is demonic?

In this world hatred ceases not by Hatred. It ceases only by love.

 

[Renae]

Should we post the biblical verses as well?

In this world hatred ceases not by Hatred. It ceases only by love.

Ignoring the fact that Christians don't go around exacting Old Testament violence, the Bible could be full of commands to do terrible things daily, the fact is no one is out doing such. However the Quoron IS chock full of violent verses and edicts and adherents to the religion it dictates ARE carrying out the commanded violence.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

ok chief:

N°*3922 tome 2 - Rapport d'enquête relative aux moyens mis en œuvre par l'Etat pour lutter contre le terrorisme depuis le 7 janvier 2015

https://translate.google.com/transl...ssemblee-nationale.fr/14/rap-enq/r3922-t2.asp

Snip:

M. le président Georges Fenech. En effet, la commission est troublée par ces informations, qui n’ont filtré nulle part. Ainsi, le père de l’une des victimes m’a adressé la copie d’une lettre qu’il a transmise au juge d’instruction, que je cite en résumant : « Sur les causes de la mort de mon fils A., à l’institut médico-légal de Paris, on m’a dit, et ce avec des réserves compte tenu du choc que cela représentait pour moi à cet instant-là, qu’on lui avait coupé les testicules, qu’on les lui avait mis dans la bouche, et qu’il avait été éventré. Lorsque je l’ai vu derrière une vitre, allongé sur une table, un linceul blanc le recouvrant jusqu’au cou, une psychologue m’accompagnait. Cette dernière m’a dit : ‟La seule partie montrable de votre fils est son profil gauche.” J’ai constaté qu’il n’avait plus d’œil droit. J’en ai fait la remarque ; il m’a été répondu qu’ils lui avaient crevé l’œil et enfoncé la face droite de son visage, d’où des hématomes très importants que nous avons pu tous constater lors de sa mise en bière. »


Ce témoignage précis pourrait corroborer les propos que nous a tenus l’un des fonctionnaires de la BAC, selon lequel l’un des enquêteurs a vomi immédiatement en sortant du Bataclan après avoir constaté une décapitation et des éviscérations. Avez-vous connaissance de tels faits ? ...


Translate (from Google, which clearly sucks):

Mr. President Georges Fenech. Indeed, the Committee is troubled by this information which have filtered nowhere. Thus, the father of one of the victims sent me a copy of a letter he sent to the investigating judge, which I quote in summary: "On the causes of the death of my son A., the forensic institute in Paris, I was told, and with reserves given the shock it was for me at that moment, they had cut off his testicles, it's him had put in his mouth, and he was disembowelled. When I saw it behind glass, lying on a table, a white shroud covering it up to the neck, a psychologist with me. The latter said: "The only presentable part of your son's left profile." I found that it had no right eye. I made the remark; I was informed that they had punctured his eye and down the right side of his face, where very large hematoma that we could all see when it is in beer. "


This particular witness could corroborate the statements that kept us one of the BAC officials that one of the investigators vomited immediately on leaving the Bataclan after finding a decapitation and evisceration. Are you aware of such facts? ...




feel free to dig through for more, but people making stuff up don't usually link to official transcripts...

Even if we take it that these reports are accurate, if that victim were your son, would you like such gory details splashed across the media? There is such a thing as sensitive reporting, respecting some modicum of privacy, as difficult as that may be in such horrendous circumstances. If afterwards the next of kin chooses to divulge such details to the press, so be it.

 

[Manc Skipper]

The whole torture porn idea is a filthy lie. Snopes has it as untrue. How many survivors would have had to have kept silent for such a " secret" to be kept? It's no more than scurrilous lies feeding off real tragedy, as if the deaths were not enough.

 

[d0gbreath]

All common practices between the NVA and the US Marines during the Vietnam conflict. I have this on a solid source from my Marine friend that did two tours in SE Asia. The victims were left alive, disemboweled, with their dicks sewed to their lips for their side to find them.

It's called intimidation. There is even a scene in Platoon where our guys find a fellow soldier in this predicament. The poor fellow begs to be shot and gets a mercy killing from the guy who found him.

War, uh, what is it good for?

 

[Fletch]

How many Christians are dominionists? How many Christians believe any other religion is demonic?

In this world hatred ceases not by Hatred. It ceases only by love.

Oh how nice. Love is the answer. Sure. Great. Now, how do we love these Islamic monsters into not slaughtering innocent civilians?

 

[apdst]

well there are no words for this

I can think of some words: rain death and destruction down on the terrorists.

 

[apdst]

Should we post the biblical verses as well?

In this world hatred ceases not by Hatred. It ceases only by love.

So, how's that working?

 

[Manc Skipper]

So, how's that working?

WWJ think?