Fox News Poll: Big shift in asking government to 'lend me a hand' amid pandemic, unrest

[trixare4kids]

As being far left? Goodness; if they're far left, then what does that make the Biden, AOC's of the world?

One is a has been, a career politician, a two time presidential loser, the other is just a far left kook.

 

[ElChupacabra]

We'll disagree. His adoption of Bernie Sander's policy platform will make him the most leftist candidate in history. Sander's words, not mine.

Biden And Sanders Release Their Joint Policy Recommendations : NPR

He's not adopting all of it. How much of this will actually become actionable items remains to be seen. I suspect the Biden campaign will talk the talk to get the progressives on board then take a more moderate approach once in office.

Well. Her voting record tells a different story. non partisan govtrack - ranked her voting record in 2019 as the most liberal out of 100 Senators.

Kamala Harris’s 2019 Report Card from GovTrack.us

Which policies do you think qualify her as a far leftist?

Again, we'll disagree. If nothing else, her caving to the far left elements and conducting the only partisan impeachment in the history of this country says volumes about her leadership. If she was anything of a moderate leader, that would have been stomped out immediately. The whole thing from start to finish was a ridiculous partisan left wing exercise.

And the GOP wasn't partisan? The essentially battened down the hatches and that was it.

Far from it.

But based on the logic you're using to generalize the Democrat Party, it could apply to the GOP. They have embraced aspects of the far right to cater to that crowd.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Republican Socialists

 

[Lovebug]

The modern GOP really is something. They launched a PR campaign to rehabilitate the term "socialism" by re-branding it as "everything people like," they made the Affordable Care Act popular by trying to take it away, and now contra Reagan they've made "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" the nine most welcome words in the English language.

I think the damage the GOP does when in power is simply too catastrophic to ever justify allowing it on a purely strategic basis, but I at least understand those on the left who think giving the GOP a few years to **** everything up every now and then is hugely helpful for winning over converts and massively shifting public opinion.

Fox News Poll: Big shift in asking government to 'lend me a hand' amid pandemic, unrest

FNC, they are liars, they are not to be trusted.

 

[Rawley]

He's not adopting all of it. How much of this will actually become actionable items remains to be seen. I suspect the Biden campaign will talk the talk to get the progressives on board then take a more moderate approach once in office.

Well, I'm funny that way. When people tell me things, I listen and believe them. Historically, candidates go left/right and tack back to the center when they clinch the nomination to appeal to the widest swath of voters. Biden has done just the opposite, he's swung way left. There is no reason whatsoever to believe he would become more moderate if he was elected. Why would he? He won the the election.

Which policies do you think qualify her as a far leftist?

Not me, the non-partisan group govtrack that tracks the voted o every single elected official in DC. They looked at every single one of her votes and ranked her as the most liberal Senator in 2019. Personally, I found her policy to make private insurance illegal, and her policy for gun confiscation to be offensive.

And the GOP wasn't partisan? The essentially battened down the hatches and that was it.

Nope. Again, the first partisan impeachment in our country's history. No House Speaker has ever started an impeachment without at least some bi-partisan support. The charges they brought were so incredibly weak and the evidence they had was so incredibly weak. I don't know if you are a fan of Johnathan Turley, but you should go back and read his testimony. IMHO Pelosi caved to the left becasue she thought would be removed as Speaker if she didn't allow them their impeachment.

But based on the logic you're using to generalize the Democrat Party, it could apply to the GOP. They have embraced aspects of the far right to cater to that crowd.

Who is this far right in Congress that you are talking about? Who is comparable to AOC, Omar, Pressley, Talib, Jayapal ...? These folks want to fundamentally transform virtually every single institution in America. And Biden has bought into it. He's explicitly promised to " fundamentally transform the country.” I know the country is far from perfect, but I certainly and vehemently disagree that it needs to be fundamentally transformed.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Nobody is for gutting the police

Well, nobody except all those people who literally want to abolish the police.

 

[danielpalos]

Well, nobody except all those people who literally want to abolish the police.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[Paradoxical]

What the hell do you expect some people to live on when their states shut down their economies?
Many are asking the federal government to help them, but it's not due to any fault of their own.
Have you conveniently forgotten that there is a pandemic ravaging the country?

I can't speak for other states because I don't live there.One of the reasons MSM wants the Dems to win is so the new president Kamala Harris can bail out her own state, California who is bigly in debt because of an ill advised shut down a second time, spending 750 MILLION on masks no one used (that I know of) and 100 million on illegal aliens.

The resident socialists here (disguised as independent, slightly liberal, progressive) think that there is an endless pot of gold somewhere in America. They imagine health care can be free, housing can, food can and think "the rich" are greedy and can pay for all of it. You could make the rich hand over all of their money today and it wouldn't make a dent in the deficit we already have. What happens is what happens the world over.. The general public winds up being taxed at a rate of 60-70%

 

[Eriech]

The modern GOP really is something. They launched a PR campaign to rehabilitate the term "socialism" by re-branding it as "everything people like," they made the Affordable Care Act popular by trying to take it away, and now contra Reagan they've made "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" the nine most welcome words in the English language.

I think the damage the GOP does when in power is simply too catastrophic to ever justify allowing it on a purely strategic basis, but I at least understand those on the left who think giving the GOP a few years to **** everything up every now and then is hugely helpful for winning over converts and massively shifting public opinion.

Fox News Poll: Big shift in asking government to 'lend me a hand' amid pandemic, unrest

To government:

Leave me alone (and get out of the f'n way)

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[danielpalos]

To government:

Leave me alone (and get out of the f'n way)

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Anyone can, protest too much. There are plenty of Persons of the People with your same complaint out there now.

 

[snakestretcher]

Lol, sure.

So which police departments have been 'gutted' or defunded, so far?

 

[Greenbeard]

Actually, in the wake of the left’s gutting of police departments, this isn’t actually that surprising.

The Dems have been trying to get funds to state and local governments for months. The GOP, oddly enough, are the ones holding up the funds and defunding the police.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Well, I'm funny that way. When people tell me things, I listen and believe them. Historically, candidates go left/right and tack back to the center when they clinch the nomination to appeal to the widest swath of voters. Biden has done just the opposite, he's swung way left. There is no reason whatsoever to believe he would become more moderate if he was elected. Why would he? He won the the election.

At the campaign stage, I take everything with a grain of salt because I think anyone who follows politics understands there's a long road from concept to reality. Part of that road will depend on what Congress will look like for the incoming administration etc. I suspected Biden would have to include many of the progressive goals because they're a vocal and the issues resonate with some of the Democratic Party base. I think this is really about not losing the progressive voters. What I think will bring policy objectives to the middle is once the implementation phase kicks in. I don't see some of the loftier ideas making it past Congress as they currently are.

Not me, the non-partisan group govtrack that tracks the voted o every single elected official in DC. They looked at every single one of her votes and ranked her as the most liberal Senator in 2019. Personally, I found her policy to make private insurance illegal, and her policy for gun confiscation to be offensive.

She's been a bit of a flip flopper; she didn't support Sanders' healthcare idea until she did. I don't think abolishing private insurance is going to work, and neither is gun confiscation; those two are going to be dead in the water. I suspect what will come out of the Biden/Harris administration are improvements to the ACA; they'll likely use that as the base to include more people.

Nope. Again, the first partisan impeachment in our country's history. No House Speaker has ever started an impeachment without at least some bi-partisan support. The charges they brought were so incredibly weak and the evidence they had was so incredibly weak. I don't know if you are a fan of Johnathan Turley, but you should go back and read his testimony. IMHO Pelosi caved to the left becasue she thought would be removed as Speaker if she didn't allow them their impeachment.

Do you think there was going to be bi-partisan support in this political climate? This is why I think government's ability to govern is in the crapper.

Who is this far right in Congress that you are talking about? Who is comparable to AOC, Omar, Pressley, Talib, Jayapal ...? These folks want to fundamentally transform virtually every single institution in America. And Biden has bought into it. He's explicitly promised to " fundamentally transform the country.” I know the country is far from perfect, but I certainly and vehemently disagree that it needs to be fundamentally transformed.

While I wouldn't call the Freedom Caucus "far right" they lean farther to the right than establishment GOP; as did the Tea Party candidates that made it into Congress. Do you think that any candidate who gets elected will be able to "fundamentally transform the country"? That would require a lot of cooperation from Congress, and I don't think we're anywhere near that.

 

[Rawley]

At the campaign stage, I take everything with a grain of salt because I think anyone who follows politics understands there's a long road from concept to reality. Part of that road will depend on what Congress will look like for the incoming administration etc. I suspected Biden would have to include many of the progressive goals because they're a vocal and the issues resonate with some of the Democratic Party base. I think this is really about not losing the progressive voters. What I think will bring policy objectives to the middle is once the implementation phase kicks in. I don't see some of the loftier ideas making it past Congress as they currently are.



She's been a bit of a flip flopper; she didn't support Sanders' healthcare idea until she did. I don't think abolishing private insurance is going to work, and neither is gun confiscation; those two are going to be dead in the water. I suspect what will come out of the Biden/Harris administration are improvements to the ACA; they'll likely use that as the base to include more people.



Do you think there was going to be bi-partisan support in this political climate? This is why I think government's ability to govern is in the crapper.



While I wouldn't call the Freedom Caucus "far right" they lean farther to the right than establishment GOP; as did the Tea Party candidates that made it into Congress. Do you think that any candidate who gets elected will be able to "fundamentally transform the country"? That would require a lot of cooperation from Congress, and I don't think we're anywhere near that.

Well, you are much more optimistic than I, and I believe it's misplaced. I've been a bit of a political junkie for more than 40 years, and I've never seen anything close to the rabidness and the deep seated hatred for the President that currently exists in the Democrats in Congress and in the States around the country. Nothing even remotely close.

I truly fear electing someone as mentally fragile as Joe Biden to the Presidency. It seems clear that he will be nothing more than a tool for those puling his strings to enact their far left policies, if not through legislation through executive order. It's frightening

 

[CaughtInThe]

I bet there are hardcore Trump republicans on this very board who were having to live off the government.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Well, you are much more optimistic than I, and I believe it's misplaced. I've been a bit of a political junkie for more than 40 years, and I've never seen anything close to the rabidness and the deep seated hatred for the President that currently exists in the Democrats in Congress and in the States around the country. Nothing even remotely close.

Eventually we'll see how this all shakes out. Trump is a pretty unique figure and has proven to be the lightning rod for the growing divisions in this country. To me he represents the champion some in this country have been looking for, but the same combativeness they admire, generates the same level of resistance. Trump has always been a divisive figure, so I wasn't surprised he's received the level of antagonism he's received. At first I thought he would tone down the rhetoric, but when it became clear he was going to stay the course, I assumed it would continue to go down hill.[/quote]

I truly fear electing someone as mentally fragile as Joe Biden to the Presidency. It seems clear that he will be nothing more than a tool for those puling his strings to enact their far left policies, if not through legislation through executive order. It's frightening

It's an odd time. Biden isn't the one I was hoping that would come out of that Democrat Party pool; I was more enthusiastic about Warren. They spent too much time trying to race each other further to the left.

 

[justabubba]

What the hell do you expect some people to live on when their states shut down their economies?
Many are asking the federal government to help them, but it's not due to any fault of their own.
Have you conveniently forgotten that there is a pandemic ravaging the country?

thank you for that ringing endorsement of democratic socialism

 

[trixare4kids]

thank you for that ringing endorsement of democratic socialism

More like an endorsement for compassionate conservatism.

 

[justabubba]

This is such BS. I haven’t heard one lefty here stand up for the value of police as a whole.

there is a huge need for peace officers
but instead of them, we sometimes need those who are trained in assisting people with mental health challenges
other public response members need to be competent in mediating domestic disputes and providing essential social services
all of them do not need to carry a gun, because too many ill-trained people bearing a gun only see others as potential targets