• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Fox News’ Jennifer Griffin Sets Hannity Straight on Russian Propaganda

What is the angle of Fox news on this? The reason for most of their false news is pretty obvious, but I am unclear why they are pushing this particular piece of misinformation.
 
Buckeyes85 said:
What is the angle of Fox news on this? The reason for most of their false news is pretty obvious, but I am unclear why they are pushing this particular piece of misinformation.
Click to expand...

They do it just because they can. Stirring up their viewers is their goal. They care not about truth and facts.
 
Buckeyes85 said:
What is the angle of Fox news on this? The reason for most of their false news is pretty obvious, but I am unclear why they are pushing this particular piece of misinformation.
Click to expand...
Biden = bad, but not very thought through the message, because it's so easily wander wildly in other directons than they intended. Because they didn't take time to think it through.
 
gbg3 said:
It's pretty weird when a conservative or anyone indicating they want to know the truth is viewed as a problem in the mind of a liberal.

The level of the silliness of tossing "Obama's birth certificate" into a thread on this topic - is impressive, LOL!
Click to expand...
What's silly is thinking 'I want the truth' is anything other than a denial of the truth that's staring you in the face.
 
Airyaman said:
You should source that.

truthout.org

The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made

Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine's regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
truthout.org truthout.org
Click to expand...
Telling it like it was: Factual to the bone

Any mention of that sordid reality was deemed “Russian propaganda” and anyone who spoke this inconvenient truth was a “stooge of Moscow.” It wasn’t until July 7 that the Times admitted the importance of the neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists in waging war against ethnic Russian rebels in the east. The Times also reported that these far-right forces had been joined by Islamic militants. Some of those jihadists have been called “brothers” of the hyper-brutal Islamic State.

Though the Times sought to spin this remarkable military alliance – neo-Nazi militias and Islamic jihadists – as a positive, the reality had to be jarring for readers who had bought into the Western propaganda about noble “pro-democracy” forces resisting evil “Russian aggression.”

The first casualty in war is the truth. But it often comes out, too late
 
slick said:
Telling it like it was: Factual to the bone

Any mention of that sordid reality was deemed “Russian propaganda” and anyone who spoke this inconvenient truth was a “stooge of Moscow.” It wasn’t until July 7 that the Times admitted the importance of the neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists in waging war against ethnic Russian rebels in the east. The Times also reported that these far-right forces had been joined by Islamic militants. Some of those jihadists have been called “brothers” of the hyper-brutal Islamic State.

Though the Times sought to spin this remarkable military alliance – neo-Nazi militias and Islamic jihadists – as a positive, the reality had to be jarring for readers who had bought into the Western propaganda about noble “pro-democracy” forces resisting evil “Russian aggression.”

The first casualty in war is the truth. But it often comes out, too late
Click to expand...
I was just letting you know that you should link back to stuff you copy & paste from elsewhere.
 
slick said:
Telling it like it was: Factual to the bone

Any mention of that sordid reality was deemed “Russian propaganda” and anyone who spoke this inconvenient truth was a “stooge of Moscow.” It wasn’t until July 7 that the Times admitted the importance of the neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists in waging war against ethnic Russian rebels in the east. The Times also reported that these far-right forces had been joined by Islamic militants. Some of those jihadists have been called “brothers” of the hyper-brutal Islamic State.

Though the Times sought to spin this remarkable military alliance – neo-Nazi militias and Islamic jihadists – as a positive, the reality had to be jarring for readers who had bought into the Western propaganda about noble “pro-democracy” forces resisting evil “Russian aggression.”

The first casualty in war is the truth. But it often comes out, too late
Click to expand...

You do seem to enjoy being a Russian stooge. Does he pay you well? Matters not since the ruble is worthless now.
 
watsup said:
I hope that you are not still believing the lies that Tucker and Hannity told about the labs.

"In less than two weeks, a conspiracy theory about Ukrainian biolabs has gone from a fringe QAnon Twitter account to becoming a major rallying cry for both Russian President Vladimir Putin’s regime and the U.S. far-right.

Now, the White House says it may be used by Putin as cover for a bioweapons attack on Ukraine.

The theory that the Russian invasion was a pretext to destroy U.S.-installed biolabs first emerged online in the hours after Putin began airstrikes in Ukraine—although it can be traced back to older conspiracy claims. Since then, it has been touted or outright endorsed by a roster of Russian disinformation accounts; Russian and Chinese state media; Russian officials, including Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and United Russia leader Dmitry Medvedev; and noted U.S. far-right figures, including QAnon leader Ron Watkins and former U.S. President Donald Trump advisor Steve Bannon.

Bannon’s War Room podcast heard from former Trump apparatchik Peter Navarro that health advisor Anthony Fauci was at the center of everything. “Whatever happened in the Ukraine,” Navarro said about those biolabs, “he had to know about it.”

Writer Glenn Greenwald, increasingly aligned with far-right polemicists, spun an imaginary narrative where Rubio was “visibly stunned,” characterizing Nuland’s comments as confirmation of U.S-controlled or created biological weapons in Ukraine.

“The only reason to be ‘quite concerned’ about these ‘biological research facilities’ falling into Russian hands is if they contain sophisticated materials that Russian scientists have not yet developed on their own and which could be used for nefarious purposes,” Greenwald writes. “Either advanced biological weapons or dual-use ‘research’ that has the potential to be weaponized.”

Greenwald’s theory was quickly endorsed by Fox News host and de facto voice of the American far-right Tucker Carlson. Carlson dismissed the idea that QAnon (“whatever that is,” Carlson said) was responsible for the original theory—despite the theory’s originator being a longtime QAnon follower. Carlson declared Nuland’s testimony confirmation that “the Russian disinformation they’ve been telling us for days is a lie, and a conspiracy theory, and crazy, and immoral to believe is, in fact, totally and completely true,” he said. “Woah.”

foreignpolicy.com

How U.S. Bioweapons in Ukraine Became Russia’s New Big Lie

A viral conspiracy theory could be used to justify an attack, the United States says.
foreignpolicy.com foreignpolicy.com
Click to expand...
1647042926733.png​
 
Airyaman said:
But they have hard evidence...the body language of Victoria Nuland!!
Click to expand...

'Unfortunately for this propaganda racket masquerading as neutral and high-minded fact-checking, the neocon official long in charge of U.S. policy in Ukraine testified on Monday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and strongly suggested that such claims are, at least in part, true. Yesterday afternoon, Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there arechemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?”

When asked whether Ukraine possesses “chemical or biological weapons,” Nuland did not deny this: at all. She instead — with palpable pen-twirling discomfort and in haltingspeech, a glaring contrast to her normally cocky style of speaking in obfuscatory State Department officialese — acknowledged: “uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities.” Any hope to depict such “facilities” as benign or banal was immediately destroyed by the warning she quickly added: “we are now in fact quite concerned that Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to, uh, gain control of [those labs], so we are working with the Ukrainiahhhns [sic] on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces.'

Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons,
and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the
truth.
 
slick said:
'Unfortunately for this propaganda racket masquerading as neutral and high-minded fact-checking, the neocon official long in charge of U.S. policy in Ukraine testified on Monday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and strongly suggested that such claims are, at least in part, true. Yesterday afternoon, Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there arechemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?”

When asked whether Ukraine possesses “chemical or biological weapons,” Nuland did not deny this: at all. She instead — with palpable pen-twirling discomfort and in haltingspeech, a glaring contrast to her normally cocky style of speaking in obfuscatory State Department officialese — acknowledged: “uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities.” Any hope to depict such “facilities” as benign or banal was immediately destroyed by the warning she quickly added: “we are now in fact quite concerned that Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to, uh, gain control of [those labs], so we are working with the Ukrainiahhhns [sic] on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces.'

Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons,
and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the
truth.
Click to expand...

While all that you have is one lie after another.
 
slick said:
'Unfortunately for this propaganda racket masquerading as neutral and high-minded fact-checking, the neocon official long in charge of U.S. policy in Ukraine testified on Monday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and strongly suggested that such claims are, at least in part, true. Yesterday afternoon, Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there arechemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?”

When asked whether Ukraine possesses “chemical or biological weapons,” Nuland did not deny this: at all. She instead — with palpable pen-twirling discomfort and in haltingspeech, a glaring contrast to her normally cocky style of speaking in obfuscatory State Department officialese — acknowledged: “uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities.” Any hope to depict such “facilities” as benign or banal was immediately destroyed by the warning she quickly added: “we are now in fact quite concerned that Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to, uh, gain control of [those labs], so we are working with the Ukrainiahhhns [sic] on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces.'

Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons,
and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the
truth.
Click to expand...
Last time I said you should provide sources for your copy & paste responses. You really should if you can't write your own material.

https://scheerpost.com/2022/03/11/v...ch-facilities-worried-russia-may-seize-them/
 
slick said:
I put quotation marks around the info where required.

When you over look actual points and scour through posts
with a fine toothed comb to find & point out grammatical error.
That’s not debating, that’s evidence of an ailment.
Click to expand...
Pointing out grammatical errors is different from pointing out plagiarism. If you plagiarize and don't give credit, you are breaking the board rules. Plus, it tells us you don't think for yourself.

(Oh, and you didn't put quotation marks around all of the words you stole from Glenn Greenwald)
 
joluoto said:
What really happened is some random person made a tweet, which inspired Alex Jones to make a story about it on his show, which in turn inspired people on Russian and Chinese social media to run wild with these theories, that somehow made Tucker and Hannity to think it was a good idea to treat them as facts.
Click to expand...
Russians had actually been making those claims for years, specifically the russian federal govt and the russian fsb, since 2018 and earlier, so no it was not a random tweet, morphed by alex jones, the intel started in russia and they had been fairly consistent on the claims for 5 years now.

What makes it worse is the united states is playing secret squirrel, so innocent that no one must investigate it for any reason, and anyone who says otherwise is a russian propogandist.

If they were for peaceful purposes they claim, there would be zero issue to keep the reasons for funding and the research top secret, to me this looks like the american govt's propoganda war failing again like it did in 2016, where the left were not angered at the blatent corruption of the democratic party, but only at the fact it got exposed.
 
beerftw said:
Russians had actually been making those claims for years, specifically the russian federal govt and the russian fsb, since 2018 and earlier, so no it was not a random tweet, morphed by alex jones, the intel started in russia and they had been fairly consistent on the claims for 5 years now.

What makes it worse is the united states is playing secret squirrel, so innocent that no one must investigate it for any reason, and anyone who says otherwise is a russian propogandist.

If they were for peaceful purposes they claim, there would be zero issue to keep the reasons for funding and the research top secret, to me this looks like the american govt's propoganda war failing again like it did in 2016, where the left were not angered at the blatent corruption of the democratic party, but only at the fact it got exposed.
Click to expand...

So much conspiracy theory, so little truth. BTW, were those labs extant while Trump was pres?
 
watsup said:
So much conspiracy theory, so little truth. BTW, were those labs extant while Trump was pres?
Click to expand...
So call everything a conspiracy theory, yeah sounds so great. It is not like the side you are blindly trusting as absolute fact has lied near 100% of the time to you, and the opposing side has side near the same amount. Tryth usually is somewhere inbetween, but the way you are responding tells me you do not care about facts or even finding truth in anything, but rather just confirmation bias ie you only want to hear your own viewpoint and accuse others of being propogandists or conspiracy theorists for questioning the unsoundness of your viewpoint.
 
beerftw said:
So call everything a conspiracy theory, yeah sounds so great. It is not like the side you are blindly trusting as absolute fact has lied near 100% of the time to you, and the opposing side has side near the same amount. Tryth usually is somewhere inbetween, but the way you are responding tells me you do not care about facts or even finding truth in anything, but rather just confirmation bias ie you only want to hear your own viewpoint and accuse others of being propogandists or conspiracy theorists for questioning the unsoundness of your viewpoint.
Click to expand...

It is you who posted an entire bias confirmation thread. All I did was point it out.
 
Expect MAGA to target Griffin next.
There will be repercussions for Griffin, at Fox.
You are never supposed to gore their sacred cows.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom