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Four Children Gunned Down in Chicago During Zimmerman Trial

It applies to any scenario where a Government has power over people

Why can't you answer the question?

So you think if we werent armed the government would force **** down us like none other? I have you missed anything the bast 10 or so years? We are a very armed populace and we turn a blind eye when the government taps our phones, spies on us, violates our rights. I really dont think guns isnt gonna do much of anything within American politics.
 
By Melanie Hunter
July 15, 2013




(CNSNews.com) – In the 20-day period of the George Zimmerman trial, four minors – three teens and a five-year-old boy - were gunned down in Chicago, according to Homicide Watch Chicago, a Chicago Sun-Times publication, which details every murder that takes place in the city.

On June 28, five-year-old Sterling Sims was killed in a double murder that also claimed the life of his mother, 31-year-old Chavonne Brown. Both were shot in their apartment, and police believe the motive was robbery.

On July 1, 16-year-old Antonio Fenner was gunned down on the sidewalk next to the body of a 32-year-old man who had gang ties. No arrests were made, and no suspects have been named. Fenner’s mother believes her son was in the wrong place at the wrong time, because no one in her family knew the other victim or what Fenner’s association was to him.

On July 3, 14-year-old Damani Henard was murdered outside a high school. His body was found next a bicycle.

On July 9, 15-year-old Ed Cooper was shot and killed while spending time with friends at the park. A gunman got out of a black van and began firing as the boys ran away. Cooper was shot in the street and continued running to a vacant lot where he died.


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There may a drug war going on in Chicago but the children are the casualties. What is the Progressive Mayor Rahm Emmanuel doing about it? He has disarmed the honest population and allowed the THUGS to reign destruction, rape and murder on the city he was elected to serve and protect. The loss of Trayvon Benjamin Martin to his family is devastating and understandably so. They must understand that their son did in fact assault a man and his actions resulted in his own death. There's a lot of what if's about this, but we can only go according to the evidence. Trayvon was the initial aggressor. Who were the aggressors that killed those four teenagers? Will they also be verbally lynched by the MSM, or those political race baiters seeking the lynching of George Zimmerman.


Some pick and choose what they're outraged about, depending on whether or not they feel it will help further their agenda regarding racism and/or gun control. Par for the course.
 
Connies try to exploit the death of a black kid to beat down the political opposition and encourage rioting?

They try to play down the death of the black kid to protect their guns. Specifically the "Stand Your Ground" law. In fairness, they'll play down anyone's death to protect their guns.

Liberals didn't encourage rioting.
 
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They try to play down the death of the black kid to protect their guns. Specifically the "Stand Your Ground" law. In fairness, they'll play down anyone's death to protect their guns.

Liberals didn't encourage rioting.

Those must be black conservatives doing all that crap.
 
Those must be black conservatives doing all that crap.

If black people are encouraging rioting, I doubt it is specifically because they are liberal. Rather, they believe they are trapped in a power structure where their lives aren't worth justice.
 
If black people are encouraging rioting, I doubt it is specifically because they are liberal. Rather, they believe they are trapped in a power structure where their lives aren't worth justice.

So you agree with the violence?
 
So you agree with the violence?

There's no real way I can support it. Part of the reason black people still get stuck by the system is because of a persisting, community wide unwillingness to engage with the system. In contrast, Asian-Americans enjoy near-equal standing with whites.

That's partly because the African-American community is large and networked enough that in some places it can function with semi-independence. They tend to fall back on that independence in lieu of engaging with the broader culture.

At the least, I don't think they took full advantage of Affirmative Action programs.

That's kind of peripheral to Trayvon Martin though. To me, he was a troubled minor who got killed by an irresponsible adult.
 
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If black people are encouraging rioting, I doubt it is specifically because they are liberal. Rather, they believe they are trapped in a power structure where their lives aren't worth justice.

So are many Americans feeling the same way. The Obama administration is in trouble. The economy is in shambles. Unemployment in Afro-American families is double that of the national figures. Teenage unemployment is in the 40 percentiles. Surely it's better to incite racial unrest about a punk kid that attacked a Community Watcher, than to repair the problems, especially in the Post Racial presidency of Barack Hussein Obama II. Bring on the Race Baiters and haters. Forget about the those black kids in the ghettos of Chicago, Columbus, Cleveland and Main Street America give them something to riot about even if it's the wrong reason.
 
There's no real way I can support it. Part of the reason black people still get stuck by the system is because of a persisting, community wide unwillingness to engage with the system. In contrast, Asian-Americans enjoy near-equal standing with whites.

That's partly because the African-American community is large and networked enough that in some places it can function with semi-independence. They tend to fall back on that independence in lieu of engaging with the broader culture.

At the least, I don't think they took full advantage of Affirmative Action programs.

That's kind of peripheral to Trayvon Martin though. To me, he was a troubled minor who got killed by an irresponsible adult.

On the contrary, we all know that TM was a troubled minor involved in home robberies and MMA fighting that was killed by a concerned citizen that feared for his life when attacked by said troubled athletic teenager.
 
On the contrary, we all know that TM was a troubled minor involved in home robberies and MMA fighting that was killed by a concerned citizen that feared for his life when attacked by said troubled athletic teenager.

Whether or not Zimmerman had concerns is morally irrelevant. Good intentions have no value without the skills, knowledge, or authority to back them up. If Trayvon Martin was a better fighter than George Zimmerman, then that's just yet another point against Zimmerman.
 
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There's no real way I can support it. Part of the reason black people still get stuck by the system is because of a persisting, community wide unwillingness to engage with the system. In contrast, Asian-Americans enjoy near-equal standing with whites.

That's partly because the African-American community is large and networked enough that in some places it can function with semi-independence. They tend to fall back on that independence in lieu of engaging with the broader culture.

At the least, I don't think they took full advantage of Affirmative Action programs.

That's kind of peripheral to Trayvon Martin though. To me, he was a troubled minor who got killed by an irresponsible adult.

Martin got killed because of a regressive subculture that is supported by white people who attack who attack critics of flawed policies as racists.
 
Whether or not Zimmerman had concerns is morally irrelevant. Good intentions have no value without the skills, knowledge, or authority to back them up. If Trayvon Martin was a better fighter than George Zimmerman, then that's just yet another point against Zimmerman.

Besides being a racist?
 
Whether or not Zimmerman had concerns is morally irrelevant. Good intentions have no value without the skills, knowledge, or authority to back them up. If Trayvon Martin was a better fighter than George Zimmerman, then that's just yet another point against Zimmerman.

What do you mean? Did TM know GZ before this incident?
Seems when I trained and competed in Judo fighting techniques, Kodokan claimed that after achieving our initial belts we could not use our techniques in fights except as self protection. Seems Rachel Jeantel claims that Trayvon was well adept at MMA fighting and that he could be considered a deadly weapon himself.
In that case Zimmerman was justified to shoot Martin.
 
What do you mean? Did TM know GZ before this incident?
Seems when I trained and competed in Judo fighting techniques, Kodokan claimed that after achieving our initial belts we could not use our techniques in fights except as self protection. Seems Rachel Jeantel claims that Trayvon was well adept at MMA fighting and that he could be considered a deadly weapon himself.
In that case Zimmerman was justified to shoot Martin.

When you don't have:

(1) the ability to make a quick tactical withdrawal from an unfamiliar neighborhood
(2) the skill to neutralize them in hand-to-hand combat or with a blunt instrument
(3) the ability to anticipate such a confrontation and take proactive steps to avoid it even as you carry out your pursuit
(4) the ability to communicate you are not a mortal threat to them or their family, even as you pursue him to his house where they all live
(5) any symbol of authority to make it seem as though you have a plausible reason to be trailing them -- even a neighborhood watch hat would have been something

Then you probably shouldn't get involved into what might escalate into a lethal situation. If you do get involved and you end up shooting someone dead, you ought to expect to be held criminally responsible for your incompetence.

Martin got killed because of a regressive subculture that is supported by white people who attack who attack critics of flawed policies as racists.

Martin got killed because he got scared that a stranger was pursuing him via car and foot where he and his family lived and decided action needed to be taken.
 
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When you don't have:

(1) the ability to make a quick tactical withdrawal from an unfamiliar neighborhood
(2) the skill to neutralize them in hand-to-hand combat or with a blunt instrument
(3) the ability to anticipate such a confrontation and take proactive steps to avoid it even as you carry out your pursuit
(4) the ability to communicate you are not a mortal threat to them or their family, even as you pursue him to his house where they all live
(5) any symbol of authority to make it seem as though you have a plausible reason to be trailing them -- even a neighborhood watch hat would have been something

Then you probably shouldn't get involved into what might escalate into a lethal situation. If you do get involved and you end up shooting someone dead, you ought to expect to be held criminally responsible for your incompetence.



Martin got killed because he got scared that a stranger was pursuing him via car and foot where he and his family lived and decided action needed to be taken.

Sorry, but from the testimony of Rachel Jeantel, TM wasn't scared. He had the opportunity to get home, yet he chose to circle back and confront Zimmerman. Was that the action of a scared teenage kid, or was that an angry, criminally minded teenager looking to get over the 'Creepy Ass Cracka' and releasing his anger on a unsuspecting person.
"Zimmerman's attorneys say the court should also consider text messages sent before that day, because they establish Martin's marijuana use and fights he had been involved in.
"This (fighting) evidence is admissible in support of Mr. Zimmerman's self-defense claim regarding the abilities and capacity of Trayvon Martin as an experienced fighter," Zimmerman's attorneys wrote".
See: excerpt: Zimmerman defense: Texts show Trayvon Martin 'hostile' day of shooting - CNN.com.
This goes to the state of mind of Trayvon Martin at the time of the incident.
 
Sorry, but from the testimony of Rachel Jeantel, TM wasn't scared. He had the opportunity to get home, yet he chose to circle back and confront Zimmerman. Was that the action of a scared teenage kid, or was that an angry, criminally minded teenager looking to get over the 'Creepy Ass Cracka' and releasing his anger on a unsuspecting person.
"Zimmerman's attorneys say the court should also consider text messages sent before that day, because they establish Martin's marijuana use and fights he had been involved in.
"This (fighting) evidence is admissible in support of Mr. Zimmerman's self-defense claim regarding the abilities and capacity of Trayvon Martin as an experienced fighter," Zimmerman's attorneys wrote".
See: excerpt: Zimmerman defense: Texts show Trayvon Martin 'hostile' day of shooting - CNN.com.
This goes to the state of mind of Trayvon Martin at the time of the incident.

... none of that testimony brings us any closer to knowing Martin's motivations. In contrast, most people love their families (particularly if they volunteer to go out and acquire candy for a younger relative), so I'm pretty comfortable saying that Martin decided he needed to confront Zimmerman over the latter's increasing knowledge of where Martin's family lived.

Being a skilled fighter might have made Martin feel equal to whatever threat that Zimmerman posed, but it doesn't pass as a motivation in and of itself when before he was making an earnest attempt to separate himself from Zimmerman.
 
The impact of the loss of those four are as unimportant as the loss of Martin.
 
One must assume that the right's constant focus on crimes in Chicago has more to do with the President having lived in the city than more rational reasons, as the city doesn't make the Top Ten list of the Most Dangerous Cities in America

Six of the top ten are in states controlled by the Republicans. You know, maybe - laying off police because a state or city is short of cash is not such a good idea.
all the 10 most dangerous cities had poverty rates above the national rate of 15.9% in 2011. In half of these cities, more than 30% of the population lived in poverty. Detroit and Flint had poverty rates of more than 40%. “It is very clear that poverty in particular is associated with higher crime rates,” explained Roman.

However, the relationship between the two is less certain. It is “very difficult to say whether crime makes places poorer, or poverty causes more crime"

Read more: The Most Dangerous Cities in America - 24/7 Wall St. The Most Dangerous Cities in America - 24/7 Wall St.
 
One must assume that the right's constant focus on crimes in Chicago has more to do with the President having lived in the city than more rational reasons, as the city doesn't make the Top Ten list of the Most Dangerous Cities in America

Six of the top ten are in states controlled by the Republicans. You know, maybe - laying off police because a state or city is short of cash is not such a good idea.

Not even close.....nor can Obama even say that Trayvon could have been him. Never.....Ever! I'll bet you are one of those that think Obama grew up in an All African American Community?

Then there is reality.


It’s getting easier to get away with shooting people in Chicago.

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Last year, gunmen who shot and wounded someone got away without criminal charges 94 percent of the time, according to a DNAinfo.com Chicago analysis of police data.

That’s even worse than 2011, when 91.5 percent of shooters escaped charges, according to the data

In 2012, Chicago police cleared 211 aggravated battery with a firearm cases — 11 percent of the 1,893 incidents where someone was shot and wounded during the calendar year.

But of those cases, only 111 shootings — about 6 percent — resulted in charges. The other 100 cases were "cleared exceptionally,” which means police know who the shooter is but were unable to bring charges, the state’s attorney wouldn’t bring charges, a victim refused to testify after identifying a shooter or the offender was dead.

Detectives in 2012 were able to clear 144 cases that happened before 2012. But even when you factor in those cases, Chicago's total clearance rate — 18.8 percent — is nearly half the national average cited in the most recent FBI report on clearance rates.

In 2010, eight police departments in cities with more than 1 million residents cleared 35.5 percent of nonfatal shootings with an arrest, the FBI report shows.

Police sources told DNAinfo.com Chicago that the Cook County State's Attorney's "felony review" process also has made it difficult to bring charges against shooters.

About 83 percent of last year's nonfatal shooting investigations were suspended. In 2011, 78 percent of nonfatal shooting investigations were suspended, according to police data.

We should look at what is preventing cases being charged. Is it a matter of workload? Is it a matter of community cooperation? Is it a matter of prosecutors not wanting to take these cases?" Weis said

Most Shooters In Chicago Don't Face Charges - Chicago - DNAinfo.com Chicago
 
Oh BTW.....I am sure they weren't including everything in that list. :roll:

Chicago Has Most Gang Members In The United States, Social Media Popular Among Recruits: Report

The Chicago Crime Commission released an updated book about Chicago gangs this week, which reveals that the Windy City has more gang members than any other U.S. city.

The book gives an in-depth account of how gangs in Chicago have changed over the last five years. One disturbing thing researchers found was that gangs have been recruiting children at a very young age to join their ranks.

According to the book, Chicago now has more than 70 gangs made up of more than 150,000 members. Social media has also become a popular way for gang members to communicate with one another, which could be a helpful tool for police, but also has incited violence.

Chicago Has Most Gang Members In The United States, Social Media Popular Among Recruits: Report
 
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