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Four Al Jazeera journalists killed in Israeli strike near Gaza City's Al-Shifa hospital

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Israel's murdering journalists now, claiming they're "Hamas".


Evil.

The evil Zionist regime cuts food distribution centers from 400 to 4 and won't allow journalists into Gaza to cover, and then it murders the journalists who cover what they can.
 
Israel's murdering journalists now, claiming they're "Hamas".



Evil.

The evil Zionist regime cuts food distribution centers from 400 to 4 and won't allow journalists into Gaza to cover, and then it murders the journalists who cover what they can.

Sick, sick, sick. This is the ultimate assault on the freedom of the press.
 
IDF will will just say they were Hamas. There's no accountability.

Like they did with the paramedics they killed and buried in a mass grave with their mangled ambulances that had then been plowed over by Israeli military bulldozers.

They weren't Hamas. They lied.

 
The lie is already out there. Israel labeled the reporter as Hamas despite his two years as a reporter and killing the rest of the news team in a targeted strike.


 

The Zionist regime is built on a foundation of lies. This is just another.
 
IDF will will just say they were Hamas.

Israel has backed that claim with evidence before, as al-Jazeera journalists have an unfortunate habit of winding up on HAMAS recruitment and payrolls.

But I appreciate everyone's response in the thread, as it highlights a good reason why Israel limits press access (as do other combatants).
 

It is smart of them to immediately be ready with a package of de-classified reporting ready to go on such a strike.

It won't matter to the partisans, for whom nothing Israel does is acceptable and everything must be the most lurid, wicked answer imaginable.

But it was smart of them to be ready to go with this anyway. At the service to service level between nations it will make a difference.
 
It's a pity that they couldn't back it up with evidence in the instance I supplied. They were not Hamas operatives as the IDF's initial assessment claimed. Video footage found on one of the dead men contradicted Israeli account of the medics killings. They were paramedics, trying to save lives.

Without the dead mans video evidence, they would have falsely been branded as Hamas operatives forever.

Like it's ok to just pretend they are worthless and their lives are worth shit.
 
Israel have one of the world's most advanced armies and gets massive military aid from the US. While Hamas had just 20 000 fighters at the start of the war and lacked heavy weapons.

So it ridiculous that Israel after almost over two years of war that left Gaza in rubbles claim that the only option was to bomb the journalists and not arrest them. Especially since they can't provide any evidence for the accusation against the journalists.

Just like it's ridiculous and horrifying that Israel claim that Hamas is stil such a big threat that the entire Gaza population have to starve and people lining up for food being killed.

 
Jeezus....Israel flat-out LIED about the paramedics killed by the IDF.
 

A prominent Al Jazeera journalist who had previously been threatened by Israel was killed along with four colleagues in an Israeli airstrike on Sunday, in an attack condemned by journalist and rights groups.

Israel's military said it targeted and killed Anas Al Sharif, alleging he had headed a Hamas cell and was involved in rocket attacks against Israel.

Al Jazeera rejected the claim and before his death Al Sharif had also rejected earlier claims by Israel that he was connected to Hamas.

Al Sharif, 28, was among a group of four Al Jazeera journalists and an assistant who died in a strike on a tent near Shifa Hospital in eastern Gaza City, Gaza officials and Al Jazeera said. An official at the hospital said two other people were also killed in the strike.

Calling Al Sharif "one of Gaza's bravest journalists," Al Jazeera said the attack was a "desperate attempt to silence voices in anticipation of the occupation of Gaza."

The other journalists killed were Mohammed Qreiqeh, Ibrahim Zaher and Mohammed Noufal, Al Jazeera said.

Al Sharif was previously part of a Reuters team which in 2024 won a Pulitzer Prize in the category of Breaking News Photography for coverage of the Israel-Hamas war....

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The Israeli Government is openly targeting and killing members of the press.
 
While Hamas had just 20 000 fighters at the start of the war and lacked heavy weapons.

And no body armor - imagine sending US troops into battle with no body armor against the most powerful weapons - and no infrastructure like satellite intelligence and on and on. They are victims of war crimes resisting the war criminals while the world does almost nothing.
 
It's five journalists.

 

Having a moral compass is an important tool in navigating truth and injustice.
 
It's a pity that they couldn't back it up with evidence in the instance I supplied. ...Like it's ok to just pretend they are worthless and their lives are worth shit.

....This as a chain of logic does not make sense to me.

Apply it to other situations, and see how it sounds:

For example, in Afghanistan, through a series of errors, the US bombed a hospital in Kunduz where MSF was working as part of the fight to drive the Taliban (who had taken over the Provincial capital) out of the city. As is typical, with this sort of occurrence, initial information was poor, provided by actors trying to cover their butt for having made an error, and senior officers trusted their junior officers' accounts until investigations proved them wrong.

The United States military initially said the airstrike was carried out to defend U.S. forces on the ground. Later, the United States commander in Afghanistan, General John F. Campbell, said the airstrike was requested by Afghan forces who had come under Taliban fire. Finally, Campbell said the airstrike was a US decision, made in the US chain of command and not requested by Afghan forces. Campbell said the attack was "a mistake," and, "We would never intentionally target a protected medical facility." The USCENTCOM 15-6 report stated that General Campbell's own lack of strategic guidance and dissemination of certain Rules of Engagement were major contributing factors that led to the command and control breakdown prior to the airstrike...

Therefore, (following the logic chain) every target the US struck in Afghanistan was a series of errors that resulted in killed MSF personnel.

?

Similarly, IDF senior officers initially trusted their junior officers' accounts of the incident you refer to until an investigation revealed otherwise. The IDF then publicly accepted that they were at fault, and fired the relevant Commander, because that is what Israel does when this sort of thing happens.


Therefore (following the Logic chain) it is impossible for someone to be a member of HAMAS if Israel strikes them.

?


That's not an argument, @Serenity. It's an attempt to use a perfectly reasonable emotional response to color reaction to another.

Watch, I can do it to:

* "After Oct 7th, many Australians celebrated, and anti-semitic attacks spiked. A couple of Australian nurses even bragged about using their medical facilities to kill Jewish patients." (bad incident that should provoke a negative emotional reaction)​
* "Therefore, I suppose we shouldn't be surprised when Australian medical personnel on this forum have ' certain attitudes ' towards Jews broadly and Israel in particular." (baseless accusation intended to color posters' reactions to any Australian medical personnel by tying it to the emotional reaction to the first incident)​


However, just as you yourself should not be considered in the same light as the dismissed Australian nurses simply because you share a nationality and a broad career field, the targeting of Anas al-Sharif should not be considered in the same light as the shooting of the ambulance you discussed.

One was (apparently) the result of a deliberate targeting process. The other was infantry on the ground reacting in the moment (and when the enemy uses civilian and medical vehicles, yeah, I can speak for experience, that means totally innocent civilian and medical vehicles are going to end up getting lit up - which is one of the reasons (as we have discussed before) why Perfidy is so forbidden in the LOAC).

So the incident you appeal to was infantrymen making a snap decision without relevant information, and then trying to cover it up when they realized they had f'd up. The incident under discussion here is a deliberate decision-making process overseen by lawyers (who IIRC have the authority in the IDF to override commanders when they say something violates the Laws of Armed Conflict) to conduct a strike that Israel likely knew would immediately garner international scrutiny. Israel (apparently) had a good chunk of their targeting package ready to declassify and release as part of their planned response to that scrutiny, to demonstrate that the action they had taken was lawful.
 
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There is one thing worth noting from the incident you mention, @Serenity - Israel generally tends to admit their mistakes and take corrective action against those responsible (as with the US, the UK, the AUS, and every other western military, this process is imperfect). We will see what continues to come out.

But the incidents you are attempting to tie together are dissimilar in their nature, and it is incorrect to assume that the decision-making process of the former was the decision-making process of the latter.
 
Having a moral compass is an important tool in navigating truth and injustice.
Being led by your emotions is a hindrance to navigating incomplete and sometimes conflicting claims, and determining what is most likely to be true.
 
They ban western journalists in order to denigrate arab reporting as lies. Were the rest of the news team they assassinated Hamas too? Did they have a secret tunnel under their tent?
 
Being led by your emotions is a hindrance to navigating incomplete and sometimes conflicting claims, and determining what is most likely to be true.
Physician heal thyself!
 
Physician heal thyself!

If there is one thing I am *generally* not blessed with, it is an overabundance of emotion when considering the dead of war (specific exceptions do exist, and I don't like "realistic" war movies).


They ban western journalists in order to denigrate arab reporting as lies. Were the rest of the news team they assassinated Hamas too? Did they have a secret tunnel under their tent?

1. All armed forces restrict media access to combat zones - Israel is not distinct in kind in that from Ukraine, the UK, or the US.
2. Western media often does carry falsehoods on behalf of HAMAS. Al-Jazeera is simply more enthusiastic about making it up themselves.
3. No idea about the rest of the team. We will see if Israel comes forward with any evidence, as they did for Anas al-Sharif, and if that evidence is confirmatory, or merely indicative.
4. The tunnel system is massive, and a massive problem, but if they were in a tent likely not, as tunnel entrances tend to be built into standing structures.
 
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Being led by your emotions is a hindrance to navigating incomplete and sometimes conflicting claims, and determining what is most likely to be true.

How many lies have you believed because you believe Israel is morally virtuous? Dozens? Hundreds?

 
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