Fort Hood Shooter Forcibly Shaved in Prison.....

[davidtaylorjr]

No, because we are better then he is. It is the other side that advocates such punishments, not us. And if we have to lower ourselves to their level, then what are we fighting for?



The problem then can be that he becomes a symbol for other fighters. "We will blow up XXXYYY if he is not released from jail" may well become true as long as he is alive. When dead, he can only be a soon to be forgotten "Martyr to the cause", likely forgotten in a few years.

After all, how many remember Bobby Sands anymore?



I can plead guilty to a crime, yet still appeal the sentence if it seems unduly harsh and in excess to the crime committed. And remember, his initial claim is that he was conducting an act of Jihad, an act of war against people in the military. If we capture a soldier after a battle we do not sentence them to death simply because they are on the other side, we treat him as a prison of war.

That will likely be the basis of his appeal, that he is not a murderer but a soldier carrying out his duties against the enemy. And that he does not deserve the death penalty because what he did was an act of war, not of terror or workplace violence.

And remember, I am looking at this dispassionately in a neutral fashion. I hope his appeals go fast so he is executed quickly, but that view at least has some merit, even though I do not think it applies.

Why are you so apt to defend this guys "rights" he gave those up.

 

[Dooble]

Well they got that his ass now.....forcibly shaved. Piece doesn't say how or what the details were. But it is done. Now he is under Regulations. A bit late I would say. But at least they waited to get thru the court so as to not hold anything else up. Course I have heard he will have an appeals process. Which could take up to 5 years. Sure hope that isn't true. He is a traitor and should be Stood up and Shot as one!

The Army psychiatrist sentenced to death for the Fort Hood shooting rampage has been forcibly shaved, an Army spokesman said Tuesday.

Maj. Nidal Hasan began growing a beard in the years after the November 2009 shooting that left 13 dead and 30 wounded. The beard prompted delays to his court-martial because it violated Army grooming regulations. He was convicted of all charges last month at his court-martial at the Central Texas Army post and sentenced to death.

Now, Hasan is an inmate at the U.S. Detention Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., home to the military death row. Lt. Col. S. Justin Platt, an Army spokesman, said in a statement Tuesday that Hasan had been shaved. He did not specify when or provide details, however.

Officials at Fort Leavenworth previously had said Hasan would be subject to Army regulations.....snip~

Fort Hood shooter forcibly shaved in prison

Good for him. That bushy beard looked way too scratchy and uncomfortable.

 

[mak2]

It has nothing to do with his rights. It has to do with the integrity of the system.

Why are you so apt to defend this guys "rights" he gave those up.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

LOL - there's no integrity if they let something as menial as facial hair stand in the way of something as significant as a murder trial.

That sends the message of "we're a little ****ed up."

 

[CRUE CAB]

I am not a terrorist so I could care less what he and other terrorists views himself as.

No you probably are not, but there are tons of terrorists that would love to blow you and your family to kingdom come in the name of Hassan.

 

[davidtaylorjr]

It has nothing to do with his rights. It has to do with the integrity of the system.

Sounds more like has to do with red tape bs.

 

[mak2]

Procedures in law are to protect us, not them.

Sounds more like has to do with red tape bs.

 

[davidtaylorjr]

Procedures in law are to protect us, not them.

By sucking out more taxpayer money right..... :roll:

 

[Oozlefinch]

They violated his liberties and this should lead to a mistrial...

Mistrial, that is only if it happens during the trial. The trial is all over, he is now a convict.

And they did not violate his liberties, he agreed to military standards when he volunteered. If I showed up to base with a beard and refused to shave would it be violating my civil liberties if they punished me for that?

 

[Oozlefinch]

Why are you so apt to defend this guys "rights" he gave those up.

Because that is the process, and it must be observed. Not doing so only taints the process later on, maybe for those who did not plead guilty, or maybe are actually innocent. I am very much a "law and order" person. Do something wrong, and pay the price. Kill others, and I feel you should be executed. But the proper procedures must be followed or our system is no better then Saddam's Court System was.

Personally, I think he is as guilty as sin, and that the date for his ultimate high injection should come as soon as possible, but only after all proper procedures have been followed and met. Because as much as these "rights" are for him, they are also for anybody else who may find themselves in a similar situation. The slippery slope theory works both ways, a shortcut here and a shortcut there and the next thing we know we do go from arrest to conviction to execution so fast that peoples rights are violated.

Besides, this guy is in a wheelchair, pooping and peeing into a diaper, kept in solitary because every inmate in the prison wants him dead, even those convicted of fragging their superiors and for raping children. This guy will be isolated and alone until he meets the ultimate judge. Who am I to deny him this special time?

 

[davidtaylorjr]

Because that is the process, and it must be observed. Not doing so only taints the process later on, maybe for those who did not plead guilty, or maybe are actually innocent. I am very much a "law and order" person. Do something wrong, and pay the price. Kill others, and I feel you should be executed. But the proper procedures must be followed or our system is no better then Saddam's Court System was.

Personally, I think he is as guilty as sin, and that the date for his ultimate high injection should come as soon as possible, but only after all proper procedures have been followed and met. Because as much as these "rights" are for him, they are also for anybody else who may find themselves in a similar situation. The slippery slope theory works both ways, a shortcut here and a shortcut there and the next thing we know we do go from arrest to conviction to execution so fast that peoples rights are violated.

Besides, this guy is in a wheelchair, pooping and peeing into a diaper, kept in solitary because every inmate in the prison wants him dead, even those convicted of fragging their superiors and for raping children. This guy will be isolated and alone until he meets the ultimate judge. Who am I to deny him this special time?

That is what I am saying. The law needs to be changed that is someone admits guilt, there shouldn't be an appeal process. It's a bit absurd.

 

[jamesrage]

No you probably are not, but there are tons of terrorists that would love to blow you and your family to kingdom come in the name of Hassan.

If a terrorist is going to blow me and my family to kingdom come then they will use what ever excuse they want. Regardless if I practice a religion they don't like, wear black shirts, wait until my grass is half a foot before mowing, like to watch porn, work on a day they don't like or some other bull **** reason.

 

[CRUE CAB]

If a terrorist is going to blow me and my family to kingdom come then they will use what ever excuse they want. Regardless if I practice a religion they don't like, wear black shirts, wait until my grass is half a foot before mowing, like to watch porn, work on a day they don't like or some other bull **** reason.

But do you watch porn while wearing a black shirt at work on a day they dont like? Hmmmm?

 

[Oozlefinch]

That is what I am saying. The law needs to be changed that is someone admits guilt, there shouldn't be an appeal process. It's a bit absurd.

Nope, sorry, still don't buy it.

What if the person is mentally disturbed? Or is protecting somebody else? What if they are simply feeling guilty and feel like they need to be punished? I see no reason to treat anybody differently simply because they plead guilty. Heck, every time some serial killer hits, dozens of nutcases jump out of the woodwork and try to claim it is them.

I am not interested in vengeance, but in justice. Where everybody is treated equally, regardless of the crime.

 

[davidtaylorjr]

Nope, sorry, still don't buy it.

What if the person is mentally disturbed? Or is protecting somebody else? What if they are simply feeling guilty and feel like they need to be punished? I see no reason to treat anybody differently simply because they plead guilty. Heck, every time some serial killer hits, dozens of nutcases jump out of the woodwork and try to claim it is them.

I am not interested in vengeance, but in justice. Where everybody is treated equally, regardless of the crime.

:roll:

 

[Bodi]

Mistrial, that is only if it happens during the trial. The trial is all over, he is now a convict.

And they did not violate his liberties, he agreed to military standards when he volunteered. If I showed up to base with a beard and refused to shave would it be violating my civil liberties if they punished me for that?

I was messing about...