Former president Clinton bests Bush in honesty poll (1 Viewer)

[danarhea]

All I can say about this is the following:

Who would you buy a used car from - The present crook or the crook who preceeded him? Bottom line here - Due to apathy, we got what we deserved in both elections when we selected one of these presidents, didnt we? When will we ever learn?

Finally, to the (Bush / Clinton) supporters here, when you compare your man to (Clinton / Bush), you arent really setting the bar on honesty very high, are you? Do you care? Do you really care?

Article is here.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Clinton only lied about sex. The Bush Administration can't seem to be very honest about anything. I bet if given the choice, 8 in 10 Americans would take Clinton as president today over Bush.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I know I was too young for my opinions to matter, and I had yet to become so politically involved... but what are the major complaints against Clinton (aside from his lie about the BJ)

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I know I was too young for my opinions to matter, and I had yet to become so politically involved... but what are the major complaints against Clinton (aside from his lie about the BJ)

Well the nut jobs on the right call him a rapist, a murder, claim he is responsible for 9/11, and pretty much blame Clinton from everything from their kids being brats to their beer being hot.

Just the same, Clinton left office as the most popular President in history other than FDR (Reagan was close behind Clinton). The Clinton Administration also represents the longest period of peace and prosperity in American history.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Rape? Murder? Clinton? Wow.... you're right, they are nut jobs...

I hold Bush more responsible than any previous president for 9/11. Not that I think its his "fault" at all, it just happened on watch

 

[danarhea]

I know I was too young for my opinions to matter, and I had yet to become so politically involved... but what are the major complaints against Clinton (aside from his lie about the BJ)

He perjured himself in front of a grand jury, which is a felony. He also lied to the American people on TV.

 

[jfuh]

He perjured himself in front of a grand jury, which is a felony. He also lied to the American people on TV.

With respect.
Perjury in front of a grand jury, just what were the bush apologetics saying about Libby when he was about the get indicted? Something about a real crime not some technicality such as perjury? The hypocrisy.

But yes it was a felony but it started with the GOP going hard core against Clinton to set him up for lieing about a very personal matter, not national matter such as giving up the name of an undercover CIA agent, such as getting a bj. That's what got clinton on the stand in the first place. COmpletely rediculous and did absolutely nothing for the country, nor is getting a BJ.

As for lieing to the American ppl on TV, again this is about a BJ, not about Katrina, about Iraq with nukes, ousting a CIA agent so on and so forth. The list just goes on and on.

 

[aps]

*Sigh* I still love Bill Clinton. I wish we could get another democrat with his brilliance and charisma (and mine too ).

 

[jfuh]

*Sigh* I still love Bill Clinton. I wish we could get another democrat with his brilliance and charisma (and mine too ).

You know who I actually wish to see again?
Give me a Truman, Eisenhower, and Nixxon (only without that last bit of his office). These guys had balls and did the right things, not neccesarily the politically popular, but the right decisions.

 

[Willoughby]

Bush makes the wrong decisions about war and peace..clinton makes the wrong decisions about sex and cigars...

 

[danarhea]

With respect.
Perjury in front of a grand jury, just what were the bush apologetics saying about Libby when he was about the get indicted? Something about a real crime not some technicality such as perjury? The hypocrisy.

But yes it was a felony but it started with the GOP going hard core against Clinton to set him up for lieing about a very personal matter, not national matter such as giving up the name of an undercover CIA agent, such as getting a bj. That's what got clinton on the stand in the first place. COmpletely rediculous and did absolutely nothing for the country, nor is getting a BJ.

As for lieing to the American ppl on TV, again this is about a BJ, not about Katrina, about Iraq with nukes, ousting a CIA agent so on and so forth. The list just goes on and on.

With all due respect, how can you bash Bush, yet support the illegal activity Clinton committed? Both are wrong.

 

[aps]

With all due respect, how can you bash Bush, yet support the illegal activity Clinton committed? Both are wrong.

That's easy, danarhea. All crimes are not equal--why do you think there are different punishments for different crimes? Sure, Clinton was wrong to lie before a grand jury; however, I and (I am assuming) jfuh have forgiven him. Also, it's much easier to forgive someone when you like that person. Don't you agree? Bush is a likable guy, but he has burned this country too much for me to forgive him.

 

[Binary_Digit]

With all due respect, how can you bash Bush, yet support the illegal activity Clinton committed? Both are wrong.

Both are wrong, but on different levels. Under the law they're the same, but morally speaking, one lie is a lot worse than the other.

 

[disneydude]

Thats why Clinton ran on the promise to restore integrity and honesty to the whitehouse. Oh.....wait.....

 

[danarhea]

Thats why Clinton ran on the promise to restore integrity and honesty to the whitehouse. Oh.....wait.....

Exactly, and your sarcastic remark is point on.

 

[jfuh]

With all due respect, how can you bash Bush, yet support the illegal activity Clinton committed? Both are wrong.

I don't support what Clinton did while on trial. However we must not be blinded by the chain of events that led to that trial and the reason he was brought to the grand jury in the first place.
Quite different from how I Bash Bush.

 

[danarhea]

I don't support what Clinton did while on trial. However we must not be blinded by the chain of events that led to that trial and the reason he was brought to the grand jury in the first place.
Quite different from how I Bash Bush.

And you dont care about his Telecommunications Act, which allowed just about all the media to be concentrated in the hands of a few corporations?

You dont care about his 1996 Antiterrorism Act, which gutted the Constitution? Bush's Patriot Act is only an extension of that.

The problem I see with many on Clinton's side is.............. Well, the same I see with many on Bush's side, but that just goes to show that there are dittoheads on both sides of the fence.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

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[Davo The Mavo]

With all due respect, how can you bash Bush, yet support the illegal activity Clinton committed? Both are wrong.

Forgive me for chiming in. However, how can Bush Supporters who do not waiver in their committment to George, bash Clinton for his lie, and bring up the "Rule of Law", while ignorring the Bush
1. Lies
2. Incompetence
3. hypocrisy

"Perjury is not a Sex Act" as one of the Posters use to like to have as a signature.

Clinton lied, so has Bush, so has Bush's people. Whose lies were more costly. That's OK though, because I am sure Gay Marriage, Gay Adoption, and someother wedge issues have already been laid out for the Republicans to initiate just prior to the elections----you know, so everyone forgets about the real problems and then they vote for issues that will never be dealt with. Anything to keep the base mobilized.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

"Former president Clinton bests Bush in honesty poll"

This is a joke right? Clinton's lies have been gone over 100 times at this site. I don't see a reason to rehash it.

DiavoTheMiavo,

Tell me what are Bushs lies?

 

[Kandahar]

"Former president Clinton bests Bush in honesty poll"

This is a joke right? Clinton's lies have been gone over 100 times at this site. I don't see a reason to rehash it.

DiavoTheMiavo,

Tell me what are Bushs lies?

-That there were WMDs in Iraq
-That generals in Iraq had never asked him for more troops, and if they had he would have gladly provided them
-That he never met Jack Abramoff
-That he had no idea who leaked Valerie Plame's identity
-That whoever leaked Valerie Plame's identity would be fired
-That he was only wiretapping after he got a warrant
-That he was only warrantless wiretapping people who were talking to al-Qaeda
-That no one anticipated the New Orleans levees failing


I can think of some more if you want...

 

[mpg]

All administrations have their scandals, even squeaky clean guys like Jimmy Carter had scandals. This administration has Valerie Plame and the cherry picking of intelligence. Big whoop. The other things that people claim are scandals are really just policy issues. If a president picks a SC justice who's for Roe v Wade, I don't call that a scandal merely because I'm against Roe v Wade. The only real scandals are the two that I mentioned. Clinton's list is a mile long and includes some huge scandals. There's no comparison. I see no point in listing those scandals again. It's been done to death. If you want to pretend that adultery was Clinton's only scandal, go ahead and be blind.

Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot about Abramoff.

 

[mpg]

Rape? Murder? Clinton? Wow.... you're right, they are nut jobs...

I hold Bush more responsible than any previous president for 9/11. Not that I think its his "fault" at all, it just happened on watch

You just admitted you're too young to know about any of this, so how do you know they're nut jobs?

 

[mpg]

Thats why Clinton ran on the promise to restore integrity and honesty to the whitehouse. Oh.....wait.....

He actually did run on that promise, and to prove it, he created the travelgate scandal. Oops.

 

[Kandahar]

This administration has Valerie Plame and the cherry picking of intelligence. Big whoop. The other things that people claim are scandals are really just policy issues.

Warrantless wiretaps are not "just policy issues." They are ILLEGAL. Bush said something to that effect himself, before he got caught doing exactly that. You can argue whether or not the president SHOULD have unlimited power to wiretap people with no oversight from anyone at all, but the fact remains that it is illegal as the law is currently written. Furthermore, the dishonest way in which Bush has handled this entire situation indicates that he knew fully well that what he was doing was shady.

And personally I think that lying to send Americans into war is about the worst lie a president can tell, and certainly deserves more outrage than "Big whoop." But that's just me.