Former Guantanamo Prosecutor: "We Tried to Jury Rig Process"

[TheDemSocialist]

-Morris Davis, retired Air Force Colonel and former Chief Prosecutor for Military Commissions at Guantanamo Bay, and Professor at Howard University School of Law, joins David to discuss his time at Guantanamo Bay and President Obama's selection of James Clapper to head a review group on national intelligence and surveillance.

Video @: Former Guantanamo Prosecutor: "We Tried to Jury Rig Process" - YouTube

Even a former chief prosecutor admits that this has been a "black eye" for the US and that the US tried to "jury rig the process". This is a damn shame for us.

 

[ecofarm]

As such was never done before, it seems obvious it must be "jury rigged".

Jury rigging refers to makeshift repairs or temporary contrivances, made with only the tools and materials that happen to be on hand.

-wiki

It was a makeshift facility and intended to be temporary. It's not like we had a particular system and infrastructure in place. The bottom lines are:

1. The people there were captured on the battlefield in the act.
2. Most of them, when released, have returned to the battlefield.
3. They are treated very well, including custom meals and other luxuries.

It seems to me that the facility is doing the best it can with a bad situation, thus "jury rigging".

 

[TheDemSocialist]

As such was never done before, it seems obvious it must be "jury rigged".

-wiki

I dont think he was talking about fixing something on a ship..

1. The people there were captured on the battlefield in the act.

Not true: "The Journal noted that a common thread among many of the detainees is that a majority of them "were not caught by American soldiers on the battlefield. They came into American custody from third parties, mostly from Pakistan, some after targeted raids there, most after a dragnet for Arabs after 9/11." Ex-Bush Official Willing to Testify Bush, Cheney Knew Gitmo Prisoners Innocent

2. Most of them, when released, have returned to the battlefield.

also not true 28% is not "most of them"

3. They are treated very well, including custom meals and other luxuries.

I would say being force fed, torture (oh i mean enhanced interrogation), being held without a crime charged against you, is not "very well"

It seems to me that the facility is doing the best it can with a bad situation, thus "jury rigging".[/QUOTE]

 

[ecofarm]

truth-out.org?

Tell me you're joking.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

truth-out.org?

Tell me you're joking.

Linked to the national journal report with their claims they were making about the quote i linked... :roll:

 

[ecofarm]

Linked to the national journal report with their claims they were making about the quote i linked... :roll:

Truth-out, dude.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Truth-out, dude.

When you read a book by a well trusted author do you cry about their sources?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Truth-out, dude.

When CNN gets a source do you go back to their source?

 

[ecofarm]

When you read a book by a well trusted author do you cry about their sources?

If their sources are questionable, the author is no longer 'well trusted'. Do you consider yourself a well trusted author?

When CNN gets a source do you go back to their source?

Of course, and I check with other news sources for their spin on it. I do that with all news. What I don't do is peruse fringy BS websites for articles that confirm bias and then serve as an advertisement agent for them; that's pathetic.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

If their sources are questionable, the author is no longer 'well trusted'. Do you consider yourself a well trusted author?

The national journal is "questionable"? I mean i thought you would be all over that **** since its MSM and all...

Of course, and I check with other news sources for their spin on it. I do that with all news. What I don't do is peruse fringy BS websites for articles that confirm bias.

Ohhh im sure you do.. :roll:

 

[ecofarm]

The national journal is "questionable"? I mean i thought you would be all over that **** since its MSM and all...

Look, dude, just because some truther blogger claims to have a source does not mean they are representing that source legitimately.

Ohhh im sure you do.. :roll:

I did my MSc in Europe and my Phd(c) in the US. I'm rather proficient at investigating sources and critically thinking about bias. I don't go to BS websites to gather headlines for a preconceived narrative.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Look, dude, just because some truther

If you mean by "truther" in the 9/11 movemet no one is a "truther" there...

blogger claims to have a source does not mean they are representing that source legitimately.

Its not a blog its a news site.

I did my MSc in Europe and my Phd(c) in the US. I'm rather proficient at investigating sources and critically thinking about bias. I don't go to BS websites to gather headlines for a preconceived narrative.

Look man touting your "credentials" on the internet is not gonna get anyone here.
Can we work with hard data then?

"1. Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not determined to have committed any hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
2. Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all and 18% are have no definitive
affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.
4. Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United States forces. 86% of the detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance and turned over to United States
custody. This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern Alliance were handed over to the United States at a time in which the United States offered large bounties for capture of suspected enemies"
http://law.shu.edu/publications/guantanamoReports/guantanamo_report_final_2_08_06.pdf

 

[ecofarm]

Surely you can understand that two attorneys currently serving as counsel for detainees presents a questionable source. I have stuff published at .edu(s), that's not peer reviewed. As I haven't the time to go into their sources, perhaps we could get something that's not from Gitmo defense attorneys (who are clearly attempting to present a case for their clients).