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Appears France and Germany not impressed with the deal so far????Secretary of State John F. Kerry was scheduled to have a working lunch with the French foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, who arrived late Saturday morning, and his counterpart from Germany, Frank-Walter Steinmeier. The foreign ministers from Britain, Russia and China are expected later this weekend.
The French and German diplomats made clear that they had come to Lausanne not just to formalize an agreement that was nearing completion but to help with negotiations that are floundering.
I suspect they will kick the can down the road, the deal is becoming a huge joke.
I suspect they will kick the can down the road, the deal is becoming a huge joke.
Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks - The Washington Post
Appears France and Germany not impressed with the deal so far????
So deal or no deal-
Yes- why
No -why
Or will they extend with the final deal made by end June?
:agree: Kerry is trying to make a deal with people who invented the game of chess hundreds of years ago, and Bobby Fischer is not at the table representing us, unfortunately. Bottom line - They want nukes, the rest of the world would rather they not have them - so what's to "negotiate?"
I suspect they will kick the can down the road, the deal is becoming a huge joke.
Yep I think so to.....and the French already have been vocal about the concessions. It is clear they don't trust BO and feel he is desperate to get anything passed.
Gosh. how could they have ever come to that conclusion?
They said he was an amateur.....I figure it starts there and that was with them being PC like. I would rather have heard what they had to say about BO peep off the record. Now that would be some good **** to record and let BO peep hear it.
We probably would have just released the names of all French intelligence officers in north Africa, or something.
Simpleχity;1064472592 said:A few benchmark metrics which I feel are crucial:
- Fissile material: no fissile material enriched beyond 5%. At 5% you are roughly 2/3 of the way to weapon-grade 90%.
- Centrifuges: 5,000 (depending on model) per every declared nuclear generating plant. Although it is a bit counter-intuitive, you need more centrifuges to supply fuel for a nuclear reactor than you do to enrich uranium from 5% to 90%. This is due to the large material disparity necessary for the two different tasks.
- Breakout time: 18 month minimum.
- Spent fuel: Re-processed in a third country.
- Transparency: Full disclosure of all nuclear-related documents/data/materials regardless of origin (state/military/corporate). Video monitoring. Sampling. Full IAEA access to all requested facilities and snap inspections.
- Sanctions: An incremental withdrawal formula based on IAEA compliance reports. The ability to totally resume/strengthen UN sanctions in a very abbreviated time frame.
Simpleχity;1064472816 said:Iran currently has slightly over 20,000 centrifuges (Natanz-16,428/Fordow-2,710/Pilot-1,034). Of these 20,172 centrifuges, 11,440 were under vacuum on 2/20/2014 (the last reliable IAEA accounting). One needs ~5,000 centrifuges per working power-generating reactor per year.
Theoretically, 6,000 operating centrifuges would be enough to satisfy Natanz and the pilot plant.
So far, nothing that I have read about the Obama deal addresses the IAEA demand for Iranian information about PMDs (Possible Military Dimensions).Yeah the one inside a bunker underground.....and again, there is no discussion over their Ballistics.
Mornin Simplexity. :2wave: So far BO has agreed to 6k on the Centrifuges.
So the rumors last month were true: Six thousand centrifuges will continue to spin, which is supposedly a great victory for the U.S. since it would mean — assuming Iran isn’t covertly operating even more centrifuges under the UN’s nose — that Iran would need a solid year to “break out” and refine enough uranium to power a nuclear bomb. Which means Barack Obama would have a year to prepare and execute a U.S. attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities to stop them.
So Iran gets to keep enriching, maybe gets to keep using its heavily fortified Fordow facility, gets to keep perfecting its ICBMs while all of this is happening, and then is free to get crazy with the nuclear cheez whiz in 15 years — and amid all this, a variety of American and international sanctions would be gradually relaxed. In return for all that, the U.S. gets a handful of magic beans. Pet the Gatestone Institute, even the French — the French! — think Obama’s a sucker who’s unwittingly kickstarting a nuclear panic among the Middle East’s Sunni powers. The same guy who’s spent years talking up “nuclear zero” may end up leaving a legacy of Islamic states arming themselves to the teeth with civilization-destroying bombs:
[French Foreign Minister Laurent] Fabius himself, in a meeting last week, made extremely clear his deep distrust (“contempt, really,” one MP says) of both John Kerry and Barack Obama. Another of the group quotes Fabius as saying: “The United States was really ready to sign just about anything with the Iranians,” before explaining that he himself had sent out, mid-February, a number of French ‘counter-proposals’ to the State Department and White House, in order to prevent an agreement too imbalanced in favor of Iran…..snip~
AP confirms: U.S. nuke deal to allow Iran 6,000 centrifuges for continued uranium enrichment « Hot Air
Greetings, MMC. :2wave:
I have been away for a few days, so I'm not up to date, sorry about that. I have read what Iran is getting - pretty much all they wanted, to all appearances. What are we and the rest of the countries at the negotiation table getting in return, or don't we know that yet? .
That's okay Lady P. But I still have to be fair....so drop and knock out 50 Push ups for me.
So far it looks like all we get is some made up story on how BO got a Historic Deal.
So it's all up to Kerry to get a deal, even if it's a bad deal? Do you believe the other countries involved in the talks are just going to roll over and let that happen without making a lot of noise about it. Also, what about the other ME countries, some verbally and some silently in agreement with Israel on this - they're closer to the "consequences" since they live next door, so to speak.
I use Tai Chi as exercise - pushups are for men! Why would I want muscular arms? :lamo:
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