Foreign fighters pouring into Ukraine

[gboisjo]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Sunday, February 27, created the International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine and called on foreign volunteers to help Ukraine fight the Russian troops. “I invite you to contact foreign diplomatic missions of Ukraine in your respective countries. Together we defeated Hitler, and we will defeat Putin, too,” said Dmytro Kuleba, minister of foreign affairs of Ukraine.

From “war tourist” Americans to Russian-connected mercenaries, there are reports pointing to another round of foreign fighters flooding into the Ukraine conflict.

An estimated 17,000 foreign fighters, including many Americans, have flocked to the conflict over the last eight year..now they are coming from everywhere. This could be Russia's next Afghanistan and the end of Putin.

Foreign volunteers pouring in to help Ukraine fight Russia after Zelenskyy’s call

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has called on foreign volunteers to join the International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine and help Kyiv to fight against the Russian invasion.

www.indiatoday.in

Foreign Fighters Are Headed to the War in Ukraine

An estimated 17,000 foreign fighters, including many Americans, have flocked to the conflict over the last eight years.

www.vice.com

 

[Grand Mal]

An estimated 17,000 foreign fighters, including many Americans, have flocked to the conflict over the last eight year..now they are coming from everywhere. This could be Russia's next Afghanistan and the end of Putin.

Foreign volunteers pouring in to help Ukraine fight Russia after Zelenskyy’s call

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has called on foreign volunteers to join the International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine and help Kyiv to fight against the Russian invasion.

www.indiatoday.in

Foreign Fighters Are Headed to the War in Ukraine

An estimated 17,000 foreign fighters, including many Americans, have flocked to the conflict over the last eight years.

www.vice.com

Shades of the Spanish Civil War!
Only backwards- in Spain the International Brigades were supported by the USSR through Comintern. And ultimately they were on the losing side. This time it might be different.

 

[Exquisitor]

An estimated 17,000 foreign fighters, including many Americans, have flocked to the conflict over the last eight year..now they are coming from everywhere. This could be Russia's next Afghanistan and the end of Putin.

Foreign volunteers pouring in to help Ukraine fight Russia after Zelenskyy’s call

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has called on foreign volunteers to join the International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine and help Kyiv to fight against the Russian invasion.

www.indiatoday.in

Foreign Fighters Are Headed to the War in Ukraine

An estimated 17,000 foreign fighters, including many Americans, have flocked to the conflict over the last eight years.

www.vice.com

It is Russia's next Afghanistan and the end of Putin.

 

[Fledermaus]

Shades of the Spanish Civil War!
Only backwards- in Spain the International Brigades were supported by the USSR through Comintern. And ultimately they were on the losing side. This time it might be different.

Or of Afghanistan.

Chechens, Saudis, Egyptions, Etc. flocked to assist the Mujaheddin.

 

[TomFitz]

It is Russia's next Afghanistan and the end of Putin.

That’s true. Putin will never be able to control Ukraine.

The fighting over the last few days should be viewed in Moscow as a preview of things to come.

They could also learn from the last time they tried to subdue Ukraine. It too four years.

 

[Lycanthrope]

It is Russia's next Afghanistan and the end of Putin.

Possible, but not likely. Putin has single-handedly crippled the already fragile Russian economy and united the world against Russia. Ordinary Russian citizens are by all accounts unsupportive of the Ukraine war and are openly protesting in dozens of cities. Soldiers on the ground are running low on supplies and morale.

Does any of that guarantee Putin's overthrow? Not in the least. But it will be interesting to see how long Russia's political elites can be restrained in these circumstances.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Shades of the Spanish Civil War!
Only backwards- in Spain the International Brigades were supported by the USSR through Comintern. And ultimately they were on the losing side. This time it might be different.

The Spanish had to use foreign communists for two reasons

1) foreigners would be more happy to oppress Spanish farmers on command

2) the majority of Spaniards supported the Great General Franco and his nationalists and so the Nationalists had a much easier time recruiting.

Because these foreign communists happily committed war crimes and atrocities against Catholic peasants and clergy, the nationalists began summarily executing members of the international brigades, really harsh but the standing order of the nationalists was foreign war tourists who came to oppress Spanish people were not welcome. I would highly advise you not involve yourself in someone else’s dispute.

If that wasn’t bad enough, the Republicans would seize your passport if you came to fight for them to prevent desertion. If you go to fight for Zelensky don’t be shocked if your documents are confiscated and you find yourself press ganged as a virtual slave in Ukraine.

You’ll learn only after it’s too late that the story you’ve been sold of a scrappy Ukrainian army with a ghost of Kiev and snake island heroes are lies and that the Russians have seized a third the country with their second tier troops. On top of that if you’re captured you can expect if you don’t speak Russian that Russian soldiers will be happy to give commands in fluent fist and rifle butt, not a great idea.

 

[TheParser]

Great!

But I remember that all the foreign fighters that poured into Spain could not stop Franco from taking over.

Unless the Russians themselves force that man into retirement (with a beautiful dacha and some lady friends), Ukraine is going to lose.

Some people claim that sanctions will be counterproductive. Supposedly, Japan -- for example -- decided to administer a knockout blow to the United States when the latter cut off oil to Japan.

 

[j brown's body]

The Spanish had to use foreign communists for two reasons

1) foreigners would be more happy to oppress Spanish farmers on command

2) the majority of Spaniards supported the Great General Franco and his nationalists and so the Nationalists had a much easier time recruiting.

Because these foreign communists happily committed war crimes and atrocities against Catholic peasants and clergy, the nationalists began summarily executing members of the international brigades, really harsh but the standing order of the nationalists was foreign war tourists who came to oppress Spanish people were not welcome. I would highly advise you not involve yourself in someone else’s dispute.

If that wasn’t bad enough, the Republicans would seize your passport if you came to fight for them to prevent desertion. If you go to fight for Zelensky don’t be shocked if your documents are confiscated and you find yourself press ganged as a virtual slave in Ukraine.

You’ll learn only after it’s too late that the story you’ve been sold of a scrappy Ukrainian army with a ghost of Kiev and snake island heroes are lies and that the Russians have seized a third the country with their second tier troops. On top of that if you’re captured you can expect if you don’t speak Russian that Russian soldiers will be happy to give commands in fluent fist and rifle butt, not a great idea.

People take democracy seriously. Whatcha gonna do?

 

[Grand Mal]

The Spanish had to use foreign communists for two reasons

1) foreigners would be more happy to oppress Spanish farmers on command

2) the majority of Spaniards supported the Great General Franco and his nationalists and so the Nationalists had a much easier time recruiting.

Because these foreign communists happily committed war crimes and atrocities against Catholic peasants and clergy, the nationalists began summarily executing members of the international brigades, really harsh but the standing order of the nationalists was foreign war tourists who came to oppress Spanish people were not welcome. I would highly advise you not involve yourself in someone else’s dispute.

If that wasn’t bad enough, the Republicans would seize your passport if you came to fight for them to prevent desertion. If you go to fight for Zelensky don’t be shocked if your documents are confiscated and you find yourself press ganged as a virtual slave in Ukraine.

You’ll learn only after it’s too late that the story you’ve been sold of a scrappy Ukrainian army with a ghost of Kiev and snake island heroes are lies and that the Russians have seized a third the country with their second tier troops. On top of that if you’re captured you can expect if you don’t speak Russian that Russian soldiers will be happy to give commands in fluent fist and rifle butt, not a great idea.

Franco wouldn't have won without the support of Hitler and Nazi Germany.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Great!

But I remember that all the foreign fighters that poured into Spain could not stop Franco from taking over.

They were not that effective, in his memoir Mine were of Trouble Peter Kemp, who was a Brit who joined the nationalists, recalled fighting against them and noted their lack of capability. One time international brigades charged a position he and his men were holding and they just slaughtered the IBs.

Unless the Russians themselves force that man into retirement (with a beautiful dacha and some lady friends), Ukraine is going to lose.

Ukraine is losing badly. Their situation is untenable and they will capitulate soon.

Sanctions are a joke. In fact, some people think that sanctions will be counterproductive.

Sanctions almost never change National behavior. Ironically the sanctions might actually reinforce Putin because many of the oligarchs are the ones getting hurt and the sanctions are forcing them to be in Russia and not jetsetting around Europe, now the oligarchs are going to be forced to be Russian nationals and not rich europlayboys

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Franco wouldn't have won without the support of Hitler and Nazi Germany.

He probably would have.

The republicans fought very terribly. Also the nationalists were heavily supported by British and American interests

 

[gboisjo]

Even before Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine, several commentators, including former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, argued convincingly that a Russian occupation of more of Ukraine would lead to an insurgency like that which the Soviet Union faced in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Defeat in Afghanistan was a major factor in the break-up of the Warsaw Pact and ultimately the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which Russian President Vladimir Putin has called the “greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.” It is important to understand how the Soviets were defeated by the mujahideen in the 1980s to understand if Ukraine could be a repeat.

IMO, Putin can't lose in Ukraine, if things don't go his way he could become extremely dangerous ..like Trump did.

Could Ukraine be Putin’s Afghanistan?

As Russia invades Ukraine, Bruce Riedel reflects on the insurgency against the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan in the 1980s and lessons for the new war.

www.brookings.edu

 

[Grand Mal]

Great!

But I remember that all the foreign fighters that poured into Spain could not stop Franco from taking over.

Unless the Russians themselves force that man into retirement (with a beautiful dacha and some lady friends), Ukraine is going to lose.

Some people claim that sanctions will be counterproductive. Supposedly, Japan -- for example -- decided to administer a knockout blow to the United States when the latter cut off oil to Japan.

Foreign fighters from Germany and Morocco helped Franco take over. 7,000 Germans, 13,000 Moroccans, waves of Luftwaffe, Franco benefited from foreign help.

 

[Grand Mal]

He probably would have.

The republicans fought very terribly. Also the nationalists were heavily supported by British and American interests

20,000 German and Moroccan troops, waves of Luftwaffe, troop transports from North Africa, Spain was Hitler's dress rehearsal.

 

[TheParser]

Foreign fighters from Germany and Morocco helped Franco take over. 7,000 Germans, 13,000 Moroccans, waves of Luftwaffe, Franco benefited from foreign help.

And the Flying Tigers helped China.

But would that man go insane if foreigners flew planes against his conscripted army?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

20,000 German and Moroccan troops, waves of Luftwaffe, troop transports from North Africa, Spain was Hitler's dress rehearsal.

The “Moroccan” troops were Spanish troops. You are referring to the regulares of the Spanish Colonial Army of Africa. They were not foreign troops, they were professional soldiers of Arab ethnicity serving under Spanish military command.

The German Condor Legion was largely air support. As the war progressed and Spain Recieved more aircraft the Condor legion began to leave and Spanish pilots took over.

Mussolini’s army was well, Italian. And Italians have not necessarily been known as great warriors for a long time now.

 

[CaughtInThe]

That's going to piss off the Americans who cheer for "genius" Putin.

 

[Grand Mal]

And the Flying Tigers helped China.

But would that man go insane if foreigners flew planes against his conscripted army?

Putin? I don't know but we might find out at some point. I understand that an arrangement to put Polish fighter jets, including Migs, into Ukrainian hands has fallen through but It's early days still.

 

[PoS]

Shades of the Spanish Civil War!
Only backwards- in Spain the International Brigades were supported by the USSR through Comintern. And ultimately they were on the losing side. This time it might be different.

The International Brigades didnt start out as communist controlled during the beginning of that war, that came towards the end.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Putin? I don't know but we might find out at some point. I understand that an arrangement to put Polish fighter jets, including Migs, into Ukrainian hands has fallen through but It's early days still.

Migs are the only think Poland can supply. No fighter made with US components can be sold without US state department permission and even if permissions is granted no ukranian pilots are likely qualified to operate normal NATO aircraft. A mig 29 pilot can’t just hop in an F-16 without training to transition to the aircraft type

 

[reinaert]

It is Russia's next Afghanistan and the end of Putin.

Or the ruination of all.

 

[BitterPill]

An estimated 17,000 foreign fighters, including many Americans, have flocked to the conflict over the last eight year..now they are coming from everywhere. This could be Russia's next Afghanistan and the end of Putin.

Foreign volunteers pouring in to help Ukraine fight Russia after Zelenskyy’s call

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has called on foreign volunteers to join the International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine and help Kyiv to fight against the Russian invasion.

www.indiatoday.in

Foreign Fighters Are Headed to the War in Ukraine

An estimated 17,000 foreign fighters, including many Americans, have flocked to the conflict over the last eight years.

www.vice.com

I am so angry American traitors are joining the Ukrainian resistance and fighting against the peaceful Russian peacekeepers. If the rightful and duly elected president was in office, Trump, those traitorous Americans would lose their citizenship and have their property seized in absentia then given to Trump.

MAGA.

 

[reinaert]

I am so angry American traitors are joining the Ukrainian resistance and fighting against the peaceful Russian peacekeepers. If the rightful and duly elected president was in office, Trump, those traitorous Americans would lose their citizenship and have their property seized in absentia then given to Trump.

MAGA.

Poe?

 

[BitterPill]

Poe?

More Swift than Poe.