For the L/libertarians

[adamanarch]

I am curious as to who my fellow L/libertarians are supporting in 2008.

As both a big and small L libertarian, I must say that I am rather disenchanted with the options for me. My party seems to be filling up it's presidential line up with the same spread of obscure radio hosts, conspiracy whackos, and computer software nerds. Doug Stanhope is interesting, but...well....no.

At this rate, it looks as though I am going to futilily throw my support behind Ron Paul for the Republican nomination in hopes that he will be encouraged enough to jump ship and run as a Libertarian.

Who 's corner are the rest of you in?

 

[NguyenRhymesWithWin]

He's good. But I'm not satisified with his small platform. For someone whose Constitutionalist and Leans Hard on Libertarianism, he's under playing our Second Ammendment Rights.

This is why I like Carl Cox a lot. Unfortunately, as much as I don't care about Abortion, it bothers me that he's against Abortion without exception and I wouldn't trust him to keep Abortion as an issue for states to decide.

It sucks. No perfect candidate so far.

 

[RightOfCenter]

I am curious as to who my fellow L/libertarians are supporting in 2008.

As both a big and small L libertarian, I must say that I am rather disenchanted with the options for me. My party seems to be filling up it's presidential line up with the same spread of obscure radio hosts, conspiracy whackos, and computer software nerds. Doug Stanhope is interesting, but...well....no.

At this rate, it looks as though I am going to futilily throw my support behind Ron Paul for the Republican nomination in hopes that he will be encouraged enough to jump ship and run as a Libertarian.

Who 's corner are the rest of you in?

Stanhope is my hero, but that'd be a little too close to "Man of the Year." I hope Ron Paul gets the election but if he doesn't Rudy Giuliani would be a good candidate as does Tommy Thompson.

 

[Thelost1]

Barack Obama, of course.

 

[adamanarch]

Stanhope is my hero, but that'd be a little too close to "Man of the Year." I hope Ron Paul gets the election but if he doesn't Rudy Giuliani would be a good candidate as does Tommy Thompson.

Stanhope as a comedian is a wonderful thing. He is definitely in my top 10. However, after the Libertarian party declared that it's biggest success in 2006 was granering 8% in a race for Superintendent...we need a face that will help people take us seriously.

As for Giuliani. As a non-waivering, irrational, libertarian purist...I could never vote for two candidates who support continuing the war, as well as the patriot act, and gun control.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Ron Paul is my candidate so far;[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6KIusCBoU[/YOUTUBE]

 

[RightOfCenter]

Ron Paul is my candidate so far;[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6KIusCBoU[/YOUTUBE]

I like what he says, but he doesn't have the most charisma...

Also what happened to the flying spaghetti monster? Bring it back man!

 

[ARealConservative]

I'm not really libertarian - at the federal level it just seems like it.

I strongly support Ron Paul for president.

 

[Stinger]

I vote libertarian in the last two national elections. Of course Bush was clearly going to defeat the Democrat candidate in my state without my vote, else I would have voted for him to make sure. Will do the same next time it the situation presents itself. Else right now several Rep's have my attention. Tommy Thompson, Guiliani, Fred Thompson, Romeny, heck I'd love to see Gingrich as President. I very strong field. All have good track records and can express what their goals would be and how they would get to them.

On the Dem side we have Edwards, Obama and Clinton. Weak.

 

[RightOfCenter]

I vote libertarian in the last two national elections. Of course Bush was clearly going to defeat the Democrat candidate in my state without my vote, else I would have voted for him to make sure. Will do the same next time it the situation presents itself. Else right now several Rep's have my attention. Tommy Thompson, Guiliani, Fred Thompson, Romeny, heck I'd love to see Gingrich as President. I very strong field. All have good track records and can express what their goals would be and how they would get to them.

On the Democrat side we have Edwards, Obama and Clinton. Weak.

I don't think the any Democratic candidate would be a good choice for a Libertarian.

 

[adamanarch]

I don't think the any Democratic candidate would be a good choice for a Libertarian.

I used to think that Bill Richardson would have been a decent Democratic option for a libertarian (mainly due to his free trade positions and fiscal moderation). However, I recently found out that he would try to ban public smoking on the federal level. Nanny-state liberal after all, not my guy.

So these days, I would agree with you. It's strange, it looks as though this may become an election that is more so populist vs. libertarian, rather than liberal vs conservative.

 

[RightOfCenter]

I used to think that Bill Richardson would have been a decent Democratic option for a libertarian (mainly due to his free trade positions and fiscal moderation). However, I recently found out that he would try to ban public smoking on the federal level. Nanny-state liberal after all, not my guy.

So these days, I would agree with you. It's strange, it looks as though this may become an election that is more so populist vs. libertarian, rather than liberal vs conservative.

I really believe that this is the way things are going all around as more and more young people start to care less about issues such as abortion and gay marriage and start to worry more about what their tax dollars are going to and why. This of course only counts towards young people that actually give a damn about politics instead of American Idol and Laguna Beach.

 

[Karmashock]

I generally consider myself a lib... but they don't have a chance of winning a presidental election. It's just not going to happen... ever.


Our electoral system FORCES people to choose a side. The pluarlity of votes takes all. Takes ALL.


Libs might have a chance in a european style system where 5 percent of people everywhere vote for them and they get 5 percent of the government. But in our system you get ZERO representation unless you get a pluarlity somewhere. And even then you only get to represent that area unless you can get a pluarality of a pluarality of the states.



The libs won't get that. You have to choose a larger faction... swallow your bile and side with which ever side is closer to where you are.

If you're lucky the person you happen to be voting for will be closer to your end of things then other people in the group that you don't like.

 

[adamanarch]

I think this is right, the Democrats have moved in a much more populist, anti-rich direction, and as a product of which there isn't a single one worth a damn. Hopefully Ron Paul will have some sort of impact on the primaries, and help set Libertarian conditions necessary to get the Republican nomination.

I too hope that you are right, and for the first time in awhile, I am actually optimistic about the direction of the Republican Party. You have candidates like Rudy Giuliani and John McCain (even though he sold out) leading the pack, which I see as a grand example that baiting the evangelical right with petty issues isn't going to hack it. I'l never vote for McCain and I would be very reluctant to vote for Rudy...but I can still appreciate the new found moderation in the GOP on the national level.

 

[Karmashock]

It's a colition... the Ultra cons and neo cons pretty much got whatever they wanted that was possible over the last 8 years or so... I think it's high time they focused elsewhere for awhile.

 

[ARealConservative]

Why in God's name wouldn't you vote for John McCain?

His position on amnesty and Iraq for starters.


plus - there was that black baby he fathered. :mrgreen:

 

[danarhea]

I am curious as to who my fellow L/libertarians are supporting in 2008.

As both a big and small L libertarian, I must say that I am rather disenchanted with the options for me. My party seems to be filling up it's presidential line up with the same spread of obscure radio hosts, conspiracy whackos, and computer software nerds. Doug Stanhope is interesting, but...well....no.

At this rate, it looks as though I am going to futilily throw my support behind Ron Paul for the Republican nomination in hopes that he will be encouraged enough to jump ship and run as a Libertarian.

Who 's corner are the rest of you in?

Yes, Ron Paul is running as a Republican this time, and it's a good move. Running as a Republican is how he became a Congressman. I will vote for him in the Republican primary, then after Giuliani or some other fake Conservative gets the nomination, I will once again vote for whichever Libertarian candidate is running.

 

[ARealConservative]

I wouldn't mind fathering some black babies myself, can't fault a man for that :2razz:

What's wrong with his position on Iraq?

What's right with it? :mrgreen:

 

[Ikari]

I don't think he has much of a chance, but I'm still pulling for Ron Paul. They guy is awesome and would be great for America right now. Tried and true small government, greater personal responsibility politician.

 

[Navy Pride]

Bottom line is Paul has zero chance to win the Republican nomination........He does not appear in any polls and he is a declared candidate.......

 

[RightOfCenter]

Bottom line is Paul has zero chance to win the Republican nomination........He does not appear in any polls and he is a declared candidate.......

You're right. But is that the fault of the media not portrayin him as a main stream candidate or the fault of his positions?

 

[Navy Pride]

You're right. But is that the fault of the media not portrayin him as a main stream candidate or the fault of his positions?

I can't answer that question..........

 

[RightOfCenter]

I can't answer that question..........

Well you could certainly give me an opinion couldn't you? I'd love to here more illogical reasons why you are against Ron Paul.

 

[Karmashock]

It's about having name recognition... which he doesn't... and not having the right "connections"... you need have some favorable combination of those two to have a chance.


Most people never heard of him... so he doesn't have name recognition. My best suggestion there would be to go out and rape a polar bear or something equally extreme to get his name in the news... and behind the scenes he's going to have to get support from people that are either rich or powerful... you need that again for name recognition. Such people if they support you deliver a certain number fo votes.


I don't know... he could still get elected... but he's going to have to hurry and rape a polar bear pretty damn quick... time's a wasting...

 

[Ikari]

You're right. But is that the fault of the media not portrayin him as a main stream candidate or the fault of his positions?

I think more than anything else, there are purposeful attempt to keep him out of the limelight. He makes a lot of sense, and I think that if he got his platform out there that you would see him in the running a bit more. But he isn't the sort of guy that would just go along with party lines, rather one whom would stand by his stated platform. As such, he doesn't come off as a good candidate from a party leadership position. It's sad because he actually holds the small government, personal responsibility platform GOPs used to uphold before being taken over.