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I'm bored while my brain crunches some data behind the scenes. So...

I'll start in the 70's, since that's when I started paying attention to the game.


70's:

Best Teams: Dolphins and Steelers
Honorable mentions: Raiders, Cowboys, Rams and Vikes (sort of).

Best Offensive Players: Juice and Swann
Honorable Mentions: Czonka, Fran and Franco

Best Defensive Players: Mean Joe and the Jacks: Lambert and Ham
Honorable Mentions: Jack Youngblood, Nick B, the rest of the Steeler D.

Best Coaches: Shula and Landry
Honorables: Knoll, Grant and Madden (no particular order)

Best announcers: Cossell (Pro) and Keith Jackson (college)
Honorables: Stram
 

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I'll agree with that,,

Also ( even though he was 60' and early 70's ) Dick Butkus

I loved Cosell's half time highlights..

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I'm bored while my brain crunches some data behind the scenes. So...

I'll start in the 70's, since that's when I started paying attention to the game.


70's:

Best Teams: Dolphins and Steelers
Honorable mentions: Raiders, Cowboys, Rams and Vikes (sort of).

Best Offensive Players: Juice and Swann
Honorable Mentions: Czonka, Fran and Franco

Best Defensive Players: Mean Joe and the Jacks: Lambert and Ham
Honorable Mentions: Jack Youngblood, Nick B, the rest of the Steeler D.

Best Coaches: Shula and Landry
Honorables: Knoll, Grant and Madden (no particular order)

Best announcers: Cossell (Pro) and Keith Jackson (college)
Honorables: Stram

I only disagree in regards to Howard Cossell. In my opinion he was a boisterous idiot who added nothing to the game.
 

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I only disagree in regards to Howard Cossell. In my opinion he was a boisterous idiot who added nothing to the game.

Howard was one of those guys. I certainly had my moments when he was not my favorite. But the body of work seems to fill in the toupee.
 

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I can't agree with you on Cossell. But you mentioning Stram makes up for it...lol... Stram never got enough credit for just how good he was in the booth.. IMO he is 1 of the all-time greats.
 

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I can't agree with you on Cossell. But you mentioning Stram makes up for it...lol... Stram never got enough credit for just how good he was in the booth.. IMO he is 1 of the all-time greats.

Stram was solid. And, he was technically better. But, Cossell is the one everybody remembers. He's literally an icon...although not a beloved one.
 

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I'm still bored, and my brain is crunching a new batch of data behind the scenes. So...

I'll move on into the 80's, since that was what I want to call the golden age of the game. It certainly was the decade when Football became America's sport. It also began the 14-year span in which Superbowls were 100% dominated by the NFC


Best Team: 49'ers (No one else was anywhere near their level)
Honorable mentions: Skins & Raiders (two SB's each, with the '84 LA version of the soon to be Vegas Raiders being the last AFC team to win a SB until the Broncos in '98)
Bears for one hell of a great Season.
Dolphins for always almost getting there.

Offensive Players:
Best: Joe Montana
Honorable Mentions: Walter, Rice, Dan Marino and (maybe) Marcus Allen
Most memorable single year: Riggo
Worst Televised Injury: Joe Theisman


Best Defensive Players: Bear Defense from 1984 through 1987
Honorable Mentions: Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lott


Best Coaches: Walsh
Honorables: Ditka, Parcells, Air Coryell

Best announcers: Summerall and Madden
Honorables: There were other announcers?
 

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I'm still bored, and my brain is crunching a new batch of data behind the scenes. So...

I'll move on into the 80's, since that was what I want to call the golden age of the game. It certainly was the decade when Football became America's sport. It also began the 14-year span in which Superbowls were 100% dominated by the NFC


Best Team: 49'ers (No one else was anywhere near their level)
Honorable mentions: Skins & Raiders (two SB's each, with the '84 LA version of the soon to be Vegas Raiders being the last AFC team to win a SB until the Broncos in '98)
Bears for one hell of a great Season.
Dolphins for always almost getting there.

Offensive Players:
Best: Joe Montana
Honorable Mentions: Walter, Rice, Dan Marino and (maybe) Marcus Allen
Most memorable single year: Riggo
Worst Televised Injury: Joe Theisman


Best Defensive Players: Bear Defense from 1984 through 1987
Honorable Mentions: Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lott


Best Coaches: Walsh
Honorables: Ditka, Parcells, Air Coryell

Best announcers: Summerall and Madden
Honorables: There were other announcers?

Honorable mention? LT?

Oh my no. I'm no Giants fan, but oh my no.. He was the best then, maybe all-time. He changed the game.
 

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Honorable mention? LT?

Oh my no. I'm no Giants fan, but oh my no.. He was the best then, maybe all-time. He changed the game.

One notch below the Bears D. Clearly they were the “defensive players” of the 80’s. As an individual player...yeah. I give him the title.
 

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I'm still bored, and my brain is crunching a new batch of data behind the scenes. So...

I'll move on into the 80's, since that was what I want to call the golden age of the game. It certainly was the decade when Football became America's sport. It also began the 14-year span in which Superbowls were 100% dominated by the NFC


Best Team: 49'ers (No one else was anywhere near their level)
Honorable mentions: Skins & Raiders (two SB's each, with the '84 LA version of the soon to be Vegas Raiders being the last AFC team to win a SB until the Broncos in '98)
Bears for one hell of a great Season.
Dolphins for always almost getting there.

Offensive Players:
Best: Joe Montana
Honorable Mentions: Walter, Rice, Dan Marino and (maybe) Marcus Allen
Most memorable single year: Riggo
Worst Televised Injury: Joe Theisman


Best Defensive Players: Bear Defense from 1984 through 1987
Honorable Mentions: Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lott


Best Coaches: Walsh
Honorables: Ditka, Parcells, Air Coryell

Best announcers: Summerall and Madden
Honorables: There were other announcers?

Joe Gibbs needs to be among the best coaches.
 

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Joe Gibbs needs to be among the best coaches.

Had they beaten the Raiders in '84 to go back to back, I would agree. But, Skins became somewhat irrelevant once Theisman went down. I don't count the strike year.

That's not to say he wasn't a good coach. I'm not sure where he falls though. He did not innovate like Coryell. He did not Dominate like Ditka and Parcells. He was just a solid coach who could win when he had a good QB.
 

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Had they beaten the Raiders in '84 to go back to back, I would agree. But, Skins became somewhat irrelevant once Theisman went down. I don't count the strike year.

That's not to say he wasn't a good coach. I'm not sure where he falls though. He did not innovate like Coryell. He did not Dominate like Ditka and Parcells. He was just a solid coach who could win when he had a good QB.

Three SB titles (more than either Parcells or Ditka). His SBXXVI team (1992) was rated by an ESPN experts' survey as the greatest SB champion. More of an offensive innovator than you seem to realize.
 
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Three SB titles (more than either Parcells or Ditka). His SBXXVI team (1992) was rated by an ESPN experts' survey as the greatest SB champion.

1992 wasn't in the 80's. Just saying.

Had the Skins not choked in SB 18, I'd say he would be above Parcells and Ditka right there with Walsh. But alas losing a Sb you are favored to win by 30 points...not a sign of greatness.
 

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1992 wasn't in the 80's. Just saying.

Had the Skins not choked in SB 18, I'd say he would be above Parcells and Ditka right there with Walsh. But alas losing a Sb you are favored to win by 30 points...not a sign of greatness.

As you wish.
Stories about the SB loss are quite something. Seems that many of the boys were out a bit late the night before.
 

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1992 wasn't in the 80's. Just saying.

Had the Skins not choked in SB 18, I'd say he would be above Parcells and Ditka right there with Walsh. But alas losing a Sb you are favored to win by 30 points...not a sign of greatness.

Gibbs ranked ahead of Parcells and Ditka.

[h=3]Records of Great Coaches Against Great Coaches[/h]
[url]www.footballperspective.com/records-of-great-coaches-against-great-coaches/

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Jun 7, 2013 - 12: John Madden No. 11: Bill Parcells. ... 9: Joe Gibbs No. 8: Tom ... Bill Parcells, 121, 62, 59, 0, 0.512, 14, 9, 5, 0.643 ... Joe Gibbs, 92, 40, 52, 0, 0.435, 11, 6, 5, 0.545 ... Now, let's take a look at each coach vs. coach matchup.
 

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Gibbs ranked ahead of Parcells and Ditka.

[h=3]Records of Great Coaches Against Great Coaches[/h]
[url]www.footballperspective.com/records-of-great-coaches-against-great-coaches/

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Jun 7, 2013 - 12: John Madden No. 11: Bill Parcells. ... 9: Joe Gibbs No. 8: Tom ... Bill Parcells, 121, 62, 59, 0, 0.512, 14, 9, 5, 0.643 ... Joe Gibbs, 92, 40, 52, 0, 0.435, 11, 6, 5, 0.545 ... Now, let's take a look at each coach vs. coach matchup.

That's nice. Feel free to make your own list.
 

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After further review, I am good with putting Joe Gibbs up there right behind Bill Walsh with Bill Parcells third and Ditka a statistically distant fourth.

Ditka gets points though for taking a hapless Bears team to the top of the heap in less than 3 years. One wonders what he could have done had he had a quarterback like the two Bills and Joe.

Speaking of the two Bills...

Bill Parcells says in book that Bill Walsh cheated during 1985 playoff matchup
 

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After further review, I am good with putting Joe Gibbs up there right behind Bill Walsh with Bill Parcells third and Ditka a statistically distant fourth.

Ditka gets points though for taking a hapless Bears team to the top of the heap in less than 3 years. One wonders what he could have done had he had a quarterback like the two Bills and Joe.

Speaking of the two Bills...

Bill Parcells says in book that Bill Walsh cheated during 1985 playoff matchup

I appreciate your post. Final note: Gibbs won his three SB's with three different QB's.
 

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I appreciate your post. Final note: Gibbs won his three SB's with three different QB's.

Ah, but all three were better than Chicago's best one: Jim McMahon. Although, one has to wonder just how good he could have been had he not been so injury prone.
 

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