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Florida’s vile ‘groomer’ law may soon blow up in DeSantis’s face

No one is indoctrinating kids. It's ok for kids to know that Mrs. Johnson's wife baked cookies for the class. It's ok for kids to know that they don't necessarily have to like the opposite gender.

Keep your opinions to yourself in K-3.
 
That's the lefts plan: "to weaponize this (or any) law against anything (and everything) heterosexual"

Yes.

So? If you guys don't like it, you shouldn't have passed it.
 
It does matter because you're talking about treading on constitutional rights.
There’s a constitutional right for a multinational business to have quasi governmental powers over a for profit theme park development?
 
There’s a constitutional right for a multinational business to have quasi governmental powers over a for profit theme park development?

No, but there is a Constitutional right that prevents the government from retaliating against private entities because of their political speech.
 
That's the lefts plan: "to weaponize this (or any) law against anything (and everything) heterosexual"
Somebody posted a tweet or some such that laid it out well. Where she said all children would be referred to by gender neutral pronouns and no hetero relationships would be discussed.

Which is indeed exactly what the law prescribes. The writers were just too busy to read for comprehension a law they intended to apply to people who teach reading for comprehension.

Unintended consequence of legislating for an ignorant constituency.
 
According to whom?
The rabid right. You know, the “freedom”
folks.

By “normal” they mean “what we say is normal”

Conservative “freedom” is always “freedom to do as we say, or else!”
 
There is NOTHING in the Florida law which even mentions the word "gay", and teachers at not prohibited from using that word, so maybe you should have taken the time to read the actual law before commenting from ignorance on it.

There is also NO unlimited free speech in an elementary school classroom anyway. Same way there is no unlimited free speech in a private work place. A teacher is not permitted to come to class and attempt to evangelize students to some particular brand of religious belief; every school district in the country has the ability to prevent that, even with the force of law behind them.

All the Florida law does is to provide a policy in which sexual topics are limited to age appropriateness. In this case until 4th grade and beyond. What it is so wrong with that?
Three years of being different and their difference is a forbidden topic? Getting tortured by conservative’s kids and the teachers are forbidden by law to address it because it is a forbidden topic?

It must suck to be constantly terrified of nothing so politicians can get your vote to “fix” that nothing. So they can start terrifying you about the next nothing to keep you voting for them. All to keep you distracted from who they’re really working for, their donors.
 
Fixing it would make it unconstitutional.

In violation of the equal protection clause.

It has to apply to all sexual orientations (including straight) or none.
No it doesn’t. The constitution does not protect communication of the idea sodomy is equal to naturally ordered acts
 
No it doesn’t. The constitution does not protect communication of the idea sodomy is equal to naturally ordered acts
The equal protection clause means groups, individuals, must be treated equally.

If sexual orientation is off limits then it's off limits. If a book that has a family with parents who are gay is off limits, then books featuring parents whose sexual orientation is straight are also off limits.

If a gay kiss is off limits then so is a straight kiss.

Which rules out all of these.

 
The equal protection clause means groups, individuals, must be treated equally.

If sexual orientation is off limits then it's off limits. If a book that has a family with parents who are gay is off limits, then books featuring parents whose sexual orientation is straight are also off limits.

If a gay kiss is off limits then so is a straight kiss.

Which rules out all of these.


No, the constitution requires no such thing.
 
Years from now, Florida's Don't Say Gay law is going to be taught in law schools as an example of how not to write a law.
To use one of your quotes, phys:

Years from now, Florida's Don't Say Gay law is going to be taught in law schools as an example of how to write a law that fires up a voter base and propels a politician into the national spotlight.

Your political fantasy might just be transformed into posters carried by crazed Liberals who march to overturn that popular law just signed by DeSantis:

  • I WANT mainstream, liberal parents to weaponize this law against anything heterosexual in the curricula.
  • Straight IS a sexual orientation, which the law bans.
  • Hell let's go for broke and get the Bible banned from Florida classrooms.
  • And no more pictures of teachers' opposite-sex spouses on their desks, because that's obvious indoctrination
You have to work the protests a little harder to get them on a poster that makes sense.
BLM did it and look where it got them.
 
To use one of your quotes, phys:

Years from now, Florida's Don't Say Gay law is going to be taught in law schools as an example of how to write a law that fires up a voter base and propels a politician into the national spotlight.

Your political fantasy might just be transformed into posters carried by crazed Liberals who march to overturn that popular law just signed by DeSantis:

  • I WANT mainstream, liberal parents to weaponize this law against anything heterosexual in the curricula.
  • Straight IS a sexual orientation, which the law bans.
  • Hell let's go for broke and get the Bible banned from Florida classrooms.
  • And no more pictures of teachers' opposite-sex spouses on their desks, because that's obvious indoctrination
You have to work the protests a little harder to get them on a poster that makes sense.
BLM did it and look where it got them.

What exactly are you trying to say in that unhinged rant?
 
No one is indoctrinating kids. It's ok for kids to know that Mrs. Johnson's wife baked cookies for the class. It's ok for kids to know that they don't necessarily have to like the opposite gender.
Ever since I was 10 years old I had a fondness for the opposite gender.
That's OK, right?
 
Ever since I was 10 years old I had a fondness for the opposite gender.
That's OK, right?

Of course it is/was fine that you had a fondness for the opposite gender. Does that mean that those kids who have a fondness for the same gender are to be incarcerated or placed in special classes where they will be shown the wrongness of their feelings?
 
Simply that your antipathy toward the new law is off track and on the wrong side of the national society.

So we should capitulate to righties, who want to indoctrinate our students?

Ever since I was 10 years old I had a fondness for the opposite gender.
That's OK, right?

Yes, it is. Just like it's OK for some kids to develop feelings toward the same gender. Neither are bad.
 
Why are American "conservatives" so unwilling to accept that there are people who don't believe the same stuff they believe? Why do they attack those others by making stupid statements about stuff that nobody is pushing for?
 
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