Fletcher Indicted (1 Viewer)

[danarhea]

Another Republican scandal is now unfolding:

The Governor of Kentucky has been indicted on 3 charges. In addition, the former state highway engineer was indicted for perjury, and 14 more indictments were returned under seal.

Article is here.

 

[KidRocks]

Another Republican scandal is now unfolding:

The Governor of Kentucky has been indicted on 3 charges. In addition, the former state highway engineer was indicted for perjury, and 14 more indictments were returned under seal.

Article is here.

Just goes to show that the Republicans "Culture of Corruption" is not just a broken record.

 

[jfuh]

Honestly, I knew the GOP was corrupt, but these guys are litteraly dropping like flies one after the other. The cancer of corruption seems to touch nearly every GOP lawmaker. Quite disturbing.

 

[Gill]

Honestly, I knew the GOP was corrupt, but these guys are litteraly dropping like flies one after the other. The cancer of corruption seems to touch nearly every GOP lawmaker. Quite disturbing.

Fletcher replaced Patton, a Democrat, whose administration was deluged by corruption scandals. Have any comments on Dimocrat corruption?

 

[hipsterdufus]

Fletcher replaced Patton, a Democrat, whose administration was deluged by corruption scandals. Have any comments on Dimocrat corruption?

What about Republican Flem Sampson, huh???
What about Flem!!!!:roll:

Fletcher becomes the third sitting Kentucky governor to be indicted and the first since Flem Sampson was charged in 1929 with receiving improper gifts.

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/breaking_news/14556190.htm

 

[Captain America]

I just wonder how many red states will include a "leader item" on the next ballots in an attempt to draw out more republicans to the poll's?

Or, how many districts will be shifted around to favor a republican outcome?

Or, how long the public will tolerate their election manipulations?

I'm surprised that all hell hasn't already broken loose over these obvious attempts to affect election outcomes. It's there for all the world to see.

This may be because the dems are a buncha pansy's that need to grow a pair of cajones? I truly do not know.

 

[jfuh]

Fletcher replaced Patton, a Democrat, whose administration was deluged by corruption scandals. Have any comments on Dimocrat corruption?

Relevance to Fletcher? As you say, Patton was REPLACED.
I see all you can do is to :spin: the issue.
As for Dimocrat, sorry I don't know who they are.

 

[Gill]

Relevance to Fletcher? As you say, Patton was REPLACED.
I see all you can do is to :spin: the issue.
As for Dimocrat, sorry I don't know who they are.

Since you have lived in Kentucky for many years, I bow to your vastly superior knowledge.

 

[The_Real_ElRoi]

Fletcher replaced Patton, a Democrat, whose administration was deluged by corruption scandals. Have any comments on Dimocrat corruption?

Your point is valid. Both parties a almost completely beholding to corperations and special interest groups. Corperations have been munipulated US Domestic and Foreign Policy since January 17, 1893 when the government annexed Hawaii "for the benefit of wealthy American plantation owners and military interests." That is the very reason this nation absolutely must have a serious third party. That is the only thing that might save this so-called "great republic" from becoming a second rate nation.

 

[tecoyah]

Fletcher replaced Patton, a Democrat, whose administration was deluged by corruption scandals. Have any comments on Dimocrat corruption?

I actually lived in Kentucky (louiseville) at the time, and though a don't recall a deluge of scandal...I do remember the stink about him and his nursing home lover....heh. It would seem the Dems keep getting busted for womanizing, and the Reps get busted for $$$$$. I guess I would just prefer my elected officials get laid, over taking my money.

 

[easyt65]

I agree - "Culture of Corruption!"

Just goes to show that the Republicans "Culture of Corruption" is not just a broken record.

Yeah, the 'Culture of Corruption' the Democrats have accused the GOP of is HORRIBLE....But as they say, those in glass houses should not throw stones!

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Democrats do have several liabilities on the ethics front — most notably Jefferson and Rep. Alan Mollohan (W.Va.), who recently stepped down as the ethics committee’s ranking Democrat after coming under fire for his real-estate dealings:

(D) Rep. Alan Mollohan of West Virginia, who directed federal grants to non-profit groups back home while entering real estate deals with top officials of the groups. The congressman's personal wealth jumped. Mollohan has defended his actions as designed to bring economic development to his district, but he had to step down as the top Democrat on the House ethics committee.

(D) Jefferson - Bribery Investigation
•Rep. William Jefferson of Louisiana, who is under investigation of having received more than $450,000 in bribes bribery in connection with helping market broadband telecommunication services in Nigeria. Former aide Brent Pfeffer and businessman Vernon Jackson have pleaded guilty. An FBI raid on Jefferson's houses in New Orleans and Washington last year found $90,000 in cash in his freezer. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-09-democrats-ethics_x.htm

In June of last year, ( R) McHenry took aim at (D) Nancy Pelosi for having discussed a potential primary challenge to Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) in her Capitol Hill offices, a possible violation of House ethics rules.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helped secure $3 million last year for a nonprofit transportation-research organization whose president gave money to her political action committee as the group was paying for a European trip for one of her policy advisers.
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050405-123505-7189r.htm

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is under fire for an adviser’s nine-day, $4,475 junket to Spain and Germany last April, a trip primarily paid for by a nonprofit transportation-research organization Pelosi had helped to secure Federal Transit Administration monies.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/4/5/110157.shtml

NANCY PELOSI is in trouble. As House Democratic Leader, the congresswoman is primed to go after House Majority Leader Tom DeLay for his ethical lapses........But a funny thing happened on Pelosi's way to her ethics coup: She ran afoul of the same rules she hurls at DeLay.....

As the Washington Post reported, last week Pelosi filed delinquent reports for three trips she herself accepted from outside sponsors. The biggie was a week-long 1999 trip to Taiwan, paid for by the Chinese National Association of Industry and Commerce. The tab for Pelosi and her husband: about $8,000......Just last month, Pelosi spokeswoman Jennifer Crider told Roll Call that Pelosi's "position is that the rules are clear; people need to follow them." Within days, Pelosi had to refile because she failed to follow these "clear" rules.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/07/07/EDGSVDJEBF1.DTL

(D) Rep Cynthia McKinney, who is black, allegedly struck a Capitol police officer as he tried to stop her from bypassing a security checkpoint. After first accusing the officer of racial profiling, McKinney -- under pressure from her Democratic colleagues -- apologized on the House floor. But she may still face assault charges.

(D) Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, the subject of staff complaints that he assigned workers to babysit, chauffeur and tutor his children and pushed aides to do campaign work on government time. Conyers attorney Stan Brand said the congressman responded to the charges two years ago and hasn't heard from the ethics committee since then. Republicans are "looking to increase the Democratic body count" in response to their own corruption scandals, he said.

(D) Rep Pat Kennedy, the son of Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA), rammed his car into a police barrier not far from the Capitol at 2:45 a.m., staggered out of his car, said he was late for a vote on the House floor - the House had adjourned more than three hours prior. No breathalyzer test was given, despite reports that his breath smelled of alcohol and a witness at a bar said she had seen him drinking earlier. Instead, Capitol police drove him home. Kennedy says he remembers nothing of the incident, insists alcohol was not a factor, and that he is addicted to prescription pain medicine. (Where are all the Rush-Bashers? Someone should look into his medical records to see if Kennedy was ‘doctor shopping’! Yeah, like THAT will happen!)

(D) Hillary Clinton: Group Urges Ethics Probe of Sen. Clinton: WASHINGTON — A self-described "public interest group that fights government corruption" has filed an ethics complaint with a Senate panel, asking it to investigate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for her role in an alleged attempt to defraud the Federal Election Commission and the U.S. Senate. The fund-raiser has landed Clinton's campaign finance director, David Rosen is in criminal trouble. Rosen goes on trial Tuesday in a California federal court on charges that he deliberately filed the false report with the FEC
Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton (search) argued that Clinton closely monitored the Hollywood fund-raiser and knew its actual cost was much greater than the $400,000 tab reported in campaign financial filings.
"They're false and she knows them to be false," Fitton said
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155980,00.html

John Kerry: A Link Between CIA Leaker of Classified Info to Self-Proclaimed War Ciminal ….The dismissal of Mary McCarthy, a CIA employee and former aide to President Bill Clinton, marked the first public firing of people the New York Times and Washington Post refer to "anonymous sources" but the rest of us call leakers and traitors. McCarthy, a contributor to John Kerry's presidential campaign, failed a lie detector test and subsequently confessed to revealing information about the agency's handling of terrorists to reporters. http://www.jeffgannon.com/archives/general/index.html

 

[easyt65]

More DNC Ethical/Moral High Ground

Clinton chauffeur an illegal immigrant
NEWARK, N.J., March 27 (UPI) -- An embarrassing hole in security surrounding former U.S. President Bill Clinton turned up when one of his chauffeurs was found to be a wanted man.
Shahzad Qureshi, 42, was in one of three cars awaiting Clinton at Newark Airport last week when a Port Authority policeman happened to check license plate numbers.
The computer came back showing the Pakistani national had skipped a residency-status hearing in 2000, and a deportation order had been issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the New York Post reported.
Qureshi was still in jail Monday awaiting immigration processing, the report said. http://upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060327-123033-1230r
Hmmmm....wonder if he will be fined/charged for giving an Illegal a job?! I KNOW anyone who gets close to a Pres. or Ex-Pres goes through a back-ground check, so don't give me that 'he didn't know BS!)


Corruption at the grassroots level…With all of the high-profile cases of alleged corruption that have been dominating the news, some of the truly egregious ones don't get the notice they deserve.
There's something rotten in the Bronx, where Democrats stand accused of selling judgeships. A Democratic mayor in Missouri was forced to resign after being convicted of stealing $73,000 from a former employer. He has been ordered to pay restitution to avoid a prison term. http://www.jeffgannon.com/archives/general/index.html

Shhhh! Dems have ties to Abramoff, too
(D) Sen. Tom Harkin failed to account properly for two fundraisers he held in lobbyist Jack Abramoff’s skybox at Washington’s MCI Center in 2002 and 2003, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) and a spokeswoman for the Iowa Democrat. Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) reported a $1,800 in-kind donation from the Choctaws for use of the same box in 2001. http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/102005/news3.html

Senator arranged for grant now involved in indictment of pastors
WASHINGTON -- The money that led to the indictment this week of two Las Vegas pastors and the wife of one of them came from federal grants arranged by Sen. Harry Reid in September 2001, a Reid spokeswoman said Wednesday.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Sep-29-Thu-2005/news/3594772.html

Another week, another Chicago corruption indictment
There were five more indictments of current or former officials of Democratic Mayor Richard M. Daley's administration this week, bringing the total to 36. There have already been 23 convictions for corruption …http://www.jeffgannon.com/archives/general/index.html

 

[easyt65]

Speaking of a 'Culture of Corruption':

Below is an updated list of Clinton-related friends, colleagues, associates, and related business entities, who have been convicted of crimes, updated through April 14, 1998. Forty names, and counting. The format of the list is that the names are allocated to the various investigative categories, with each individual/entity named and accompanied by a brief description of the relevant crime(s) and a source of the information.

VARIOUS ARKANSAS:
1) Roger Clinton: Bill Clinton brother; drug trafficking conviction (Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994)

2) Dan Lasater: governor Bill Clinton contributor and state contractor: drug trafficking conviction (Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994)

3) Dan Harmon: Arkansas Seventh Judicial District prosecuting attorney and Bill Clinton friend and political ally: five federal racketeering, extortion, and drug distribution convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Justice" June 13, 1997)

4) Bill McCuen: Bill Clinton political ally: former Arkansas Secretary of State; bribery, tax evasion, kickbacks convictions (Wall Street Journal: Whitewater: "The Prosecution Rests" May 7, 1996)

WHITEWATER:
5) Webster Hubbell: Bill Clinton friend and political ally; Hillary Clinton Rose Law Firm partner: embezzlement; fraud; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Whither Whitewater?" October 18, 1995)

6) Jim Guy Tucker: fraud; three felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Second-Term Stall" February 11, 1997; Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)

7) William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner; one conspiracy conviction (Associated Press "Whitewater Defendant Pleads Guilty" August 28, 1997)

8) Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: eighteen felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)

9) Susan McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend; former wife of Jim McDougal: four felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)

10) David Hale: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: two felony convictions of conspiracy and mail fraud (Wall Street Journal "The Arkansas Machine Strikes Back" March 19, 1996)

11) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)

12) Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide; one conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)

13) Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent; fraudulent loans (Wall Steet Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)

14) Robert Palmer: Madison appraiser; one conspiracy felony conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hale Predicts Hillary Conviction" October 21, 1996)

15) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president; embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign; two misdemeanor convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Bank Shot" May 4, 1995)

16) John Latham: Madison Bank CEO; bank fraud conviction (Wall Street Journal "Smoke Without Fire" January 12, 1996)

17) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker; misdemeanor guilty plea; tax fraud (Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)

18) Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of trying to bribe David Hale; is appealing a ten month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)

19) Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of bribery, served fourteen months of a sixteen month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)

http://www.gargaro.com/clintonconvicts.html

Clinton Legacy: http://prorev.com/legacy.htm

RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself.

CRIME STATS
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122; addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned.

CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED
Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.


There's your 'Culture of Corruption', Nancy! :rofl

 

[easyt65]

"Holocaust didn't happen!"

Honey, I'm late for my meeting - have you seen my HOOD? :shock:

Candidate: Holocaust didn't happen
By Jay Reeves
The Associated Press

BIRMINGHAM -- A Democratic candidate for attorney general denies the Holocaust occurred and said Friday he will speak this weekend to a "pro-white" organization that is widely viewed as being racist.

Larry Darby concedes his views are radical, but he said they should help him win wide support among Alabama voters as he tries to "reawaken white racial awareness" with his campaign against Mobile County District Attorney John Tyson.

The state Democratic chairman, Joe Turnham, said the party became aware of some of Darby's views only days ago and was considering what to do about his candidacy.

"Any type of hatred toward groups of people, especially for political gain, is completely unacceptable in the Alabama Democratic Party," said Turnham.
Speaking in an interview with The Associated Press, Darby said he believes no more than 140,000 Jewish people died in Europe during World War II, and most of them succumbed to ty phus….. Historians say about 6 mil lion Jews were slaughtered by the Nazis, but Darby said the figure is a false claim of the "Holocaust industry."

"I am what the propagandists call a Holocaust denier…”

No, you are a KKK member who attends the meetings but who hasn't 'come out of the closet' yet!

Can you say 'David Duke', buys and girls?:roll:

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com...0513/NEWS02/605130365&SearchID=73244627604496

 

[Captain America]

David Duke is a Republican. Sure, I can say that.:mrgreen:

 

[easyt65]

Which was my point....

Which was my point. The GOP had its David duke, and the Democrats have their current resident Ex-Grand Wizard...and this latest nimrod!

The very blatantly obvious biased comments at the beginning of this thread by the Libs and Bush-bashers that the Republicans have the patent on 'corruption' based on 1 politician in the news is moronic, as was Nancy 'under-investigation' Pelosi's babbling about the GOP being the originators of the 'Culture of Corruption'! As I have posted above, the trail of crimes, ethics violations, and Indictments within the Democratic Party is wide and well-worn!

The sky is blue.

Water is wet.

And 'Career' Politicians are often not much more than 'Career Criminals'!

 

[Captain America]

Re: Which was my point....

Which was my point. The GOP had its David duke, and the Democrats have their current resident Ex-Grand Wizard...and this latest nimrod!

The very blatantly obvious biased comments at the beginning of this thread by the Libs and Bush-bashers that the Republicans have the patent on 'corruption' based on 1 politician in the news is moronic, as was Nancy 'under-investigation' Pelosi's babbling about the GOP being the originators of the 'Culture of Corruption'! As I have posted above, the trail of crimes, ethics violations, and Indictments within the Democratic Party is wide and well-worn!

The sky is blue.

Water is wet.

And 'Career' Politicians are often not much more than 'Career Criminals'!

You get no argument from me on that.

But truly, David Duke no more represents the Republican Party than that renegade Democrat that wants to initiate "slave repreations," or that racist yahoo, Buckwheat McKinney represents the Democrat Party. You do have a past tendancy, in your efforts to demonize the Dems and liberals, to try to lump them all by association and are more than guilty of the same offenses that you appearantly are trying to point out now.

I just thought I'd point that out. Have a nice day!:2wave:

 

[Pacridge]

Took less then two pages for this to go from "look what the GOP is doing/done" to "yeah well, look what the Dems are doing /done." That might be a new record. But it's still a lame defense. It lame when the Dems do it and it's lame when the GOP does it. Dirty is dirty. Pointing out the other's sides dirt doesn't make your side any cleaner.

 

[easyt65]

Re: Which was my point....

You get no argument from me on that.

But truly, David Duke no more represents the Republican Party than that renegade Democrat that wants to initiate "slave repreations," or that racist yahoo, Buckwheat McKinney represents the Democrat Party. You do have a past tendancy, in your efforts to demonize the Dems and liberals, to try to lump them all by association and are more than guilty of the same offenses that you appearantly are trying to point out now.

I just thought I'd point that out. Have a nice day!:2wave:

I agree whole heartedly that no one person embodies a party, although one, or a few similar in character, step out to speak for the entire party, which in turn hurts that party. Nancy Pelosi is a prime example - she Claims to be one of the DNC leaders of her party, accuses GOP members of violations she herself is guilty even more so of, and then attempts the hypocticial maneuver of claiming it is the GOP who have instituted the 'culture of corruption'.

I do not hold every Democratic Party member responsible for the acts/crimes/violations committed by their brethren, but I do hold them accountable for not calling their brethren on their crimes. It is one thing to elect Dean as your party chairman and to claim you are distancing yourself from him because he doesn't speak for you....but you do nothing to remove him from that position! If you are a Democrat and he is making a mockery of the Democratic Party, it is not enough to say he does not speak for you! If you are a Democrat and Pelosi is taking all these lobbyist-funded trips, under investigation for them and other things yet runs her hypocritical mouth, if you don't hold her accountable, at least tell her to shut up.

I don't try to demonize the Libs - in almost every case, like I did in this thread, I posted Dem/lib examples to counter the pious/hypocritical claim that only the GOP is corrupt! And to any Lib who refuses to acknowledge that point, I will continue to stick these examples and more in your face to prove your bias and that you aren't credible!

As far as demonizing liberals, there is only a few that I just totally dislike. That is as close to saying 'I hate them' as I get because I was taught that it is not right to hate anyone. Yes, those individuals happen to be Dems. These individuals are self-surving useless pieces of cr@p who have done this nation grave harm.

President Clinton is one. Among the vast laundry list of items, the one that tops the list which makes me 'really not like him' is his betrayal of the United states as President by selling the Chinese military the technolgy they required to be able to fry millions of Americans and put this nation's existance in jeopardy with its nuclear Arsenal.

Dick Durbin is another. Although leaking classified information is ILLEGAL, Durbin stoood before congress and read what he thought was a classified memo - a memo that proved later not only to be an unclassified memo but a false one as well - in a self/party-gratifying biased political attack during which he compared American troops in combat to Nazis, Pol Pot genocidal regemists, and Soviet Ghoulag troops! Say what you will, he provided aid and comfort to the enemy while attacking our troops and undermining this nation's resolve during a time of war.

John Kerry is another. He met, during Viet Nam and while still in the military, with enemy leaders to discuss the surrender of his own nation. He later acted as an agent of that enemy in adressing congress to present the plan of withdrawl! He lied under oath about witnessing war crimes and then later admitted in an interview that he had actually not seen anything that he had testifies as having seen, that he had done so to 'jump-start' his anti-war political career. More recently, he called our troops in combat 'terrorists', accusing them of terrorizing women and children in Iraq.

But I do not have to 'demonize' them, as they have already taken care of that themselves!

 

[easyt65]

Took less then two pages for this to go from "look what the GOP is doing/done" to "yeah well, look what the Dems are doing /done." That might be a new record. But it's still a lame defense. It lame when the Dems do it and it's lame when the GOP does it. Dirty is dirty. Pointing out the other's sides dirt doesn't make your side any cleaner.

I agree! I am not trying to justify any wrong-doing done by the GOP. I am all for throwing out of office, WITHOUT PENSION, any politician caught in unethical/criminal behavior. In the military, if you are caught doing something like that, you are kicked out with a DIS-HONORABLE Discharge! NO BENEFITS! Why can't they do that for Politicians?? If I am not mistaken, corrupt politicians who are forced from office still get their lucrative pensions.

But I digress...as I was saying, I was not trying to justify what the GOP was doing, just pointing out to the smug, pious, hypocritical Libs in this thread/on this board who believe that the GOP 'begat' corruption, that the Dems have just as much if not more of a claim to that, and thus should not seek to throw stones....

 

[Pacridge]

I agree! I am not trying to justify any wrong-doing done by the GOP. I am all for throwing out of office, WITHOUT PENSION, any politician caught in unethical/criminal behavior. In the military, if you are caught doing something like that, you are kicked out with a DIS-HONORABLE Discharge! NO BENEFITS! Why can't they do that for Politicians?? If I am not mistaken, corrupt politicians who are forced from office still get their lucrative pensions.

But I digress...as I was saying, I was not trying to justify what the GOP was doing, just pointing out to the smug, pious, hypocritical Libs in this thread/on this board who believe that the GOP 'begat' corruption, that the Dems have just as much if not more of a claim to that, and thus should not seek to throw stones....

I agree with you if that was your point. All too often the first defense of wrong doing by any party seems to be to hold up an example of wrong doing by the other party.

I don't agree with "not throwing stones." Personally I think they should be throwing stones...from both directions. The more this BS exposed the better chance we, as tax payers, have of getting the crooks out of office.

 

[easyt65]

I agree with you if that was your point. All too often the first defense of wrong doing by any party seems to be to hold up an example of wrong doing by the other party.

I don't agree with "not throwing stones." Personally I think they should be throwing stones...from both directions. The more this BS exposed the better chance we, as tax payers, have of getting the crooks out of office.

AMEN!

:applaud :2dance: :clap: :bravo:

 

[danarhea]

I agree! I am not trying to justify any wrong-doing done by the GOP. I am all for throwing out of office, WITHOUT PENSION, any politician caught in unethical/criminal behavior. In the military, if you are caught doing something like that, you are kicked out with a DIS-HONORABLE Discharge! NO BENEFITS! Why can't they do that for Politicians?? If I am not mistaken, corrupt politicians who are forced from office still get their lucrative pensions.

But I digress...as I was saying, I was not trying to justify what the GOP was doing, just pointing out to the smug, pious, hypocritical Libs in this thread/on this board who believe that the GOP 'begat' corruption, that the Dems have just as much if not more of a claim to that, and thus should not seek to throw stones....

Actually, you are just pointing out that whoever disagrees with you is going to get called a Liberal or Democrat, whether or not they actually are one. Since I am the one who started the thread, I have every right to bring this up. Rather than being Liberal, I am a dyed in the wool Conservative, but since I dont believe Bush is a Conservative, and state that in no uncertain terms, that is an excuse for people like you to call me Liberal.

So for the record:

I think the greatest president of modern times was Ronald Reagan.
I was one of the first to call for Clinton's impeachment.
I voted for Buchanan in 2000.
I voted for Badnarik in 2004.
I cant stand Ted Kennedy and have stated so in this forum.
I cant stand Hillary and have stated so in this forum.
I am a big believer in gun rights and the 2nd Amendment.
I am a huge believer in the 10th Amendment.
I believe in limited government and more personal responsibility.
I am in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade.

If that makes me a Liberal, then your logic is not based in reality.

 

[Binary_Digit]

If everyone agrees that throwing stones at criminals in the gov't is better than throwing stones at each other, then maybe it's not necessary to even talk about which party the stonee belongs to. Why does it matter which party they're in? Even if only the Republican party was corrupt (and we know it's not), that wouldn't mean all the Republican values they stand for are automatically wrong.

Neither party is inherently more or less prone to abuse their power, because they're both managed and operated by human beings. But some people seem to merge their party's values and their party's leadership into a single attribute. They interpret a blight on their party's leadership as an attack on their values, so they rush to defend white-collar criminals without even thinking.

But if everyone agrees that both parties are plagued with criminals, then the party affiliation of whatever scandalous scumbag is in the spotlight this week is irrelavent to the topic. And since there's no reason to mention their party, we can throw our stones at them instead of each other. I'll throw the first, as soon as I find one big enough... :2razz:

 

[easyt65]

Actually, you are just pointing out that whoever disagrees with you is going to get called a Liberal or Democrat, whether or not they actually are one. Since I am the one who started the thread, I have every right to bring this up. Rather than being Liberal, I am a dyed in the wool Conservative, but since I dont believe Bush is a Conservative, and state that in no uncertain terms, that is an excuse for people like you to call me Liberal.

1st - I did not even respond to YOU or your post at all. If you took it as my comments were personally aimed at you, believe me, they weren't! I did not question whether you were a Democrat, Republican, or Socialist. Frankly, I do not care!

2nd - "Actually, you are.....": You have no idea WHAT I am doing, so keep your declarations of what I am or am not saying to yourself. Shut your mouth and open your ears - I'm only going to say this one more time.

As I said, I did not respond to you at all. I responded to Kidrocks' obviously bias/slanted liberal quote:

Just goes to show that the Republicans "Culture of Corruption" is not just a broken record.

Kid tried to pathetically regurgitate the BS hypocritical line from Nancy Pelosi, now under investigation for SEVERAL ethics charges and crimes, that the GOP is the sole perpetrator and originator of the 'Culture of corruption'!

I followed up with posting only a few of the top Democratic party leaders and minions who have either been kicked out, who have resigned, or are under investigation for multiple counts of ethics and criminal charges!

Those documented cases more than adequately demonstrated that unethical and illegal behavior is far from being an exclussively Republican trait. I followed up by stressing that point, stating the opinion that anyone who makes such a claim as Pelosi did, while under investigation at the time herself, is a liar, a hypocrit, a charlatan, stupid, and/or a criminal.

The House and Congress are filled with criminals, though! I am neither justifying the actions of any GOP representative or demonizing the Democratic party.

I will say it again, and I will type slower so you can get it this time: I think that any - ANY - politician found guilty of ethics charges should be heavily fined and/or should possibly lose their seats on committees! I think that politicians - ANY PARTY - found guilty of crimes or violations of rules/regulations should be treated as are members of the military -- released from their service without pensions or benefits!

When Pelosi charged DeLay with ethics violations of accepting trips paid for by lobbyists, I applaud those who began the investigation because they opened up the investigation to ALL members of Congress - not just DeLay. Much to Pelosi's chagrin, she and numerous Democrats became ensnared in the ambush she set into action against DeLay! I think the investigating body, however, upon finding the guilty parties, failed to mete out punishment but instead protected their own ('politicians')! I am all for investigating every member of Congress, whether an active investigation or when the need arises, as in the Pelosi-Delay incident. When any member of congress is found guilty, immediate punishment should be doled out to WHOEVER it might be, irregardless of party, name, or position! Cut the criminals loose and free the offices from those there now for themselves and replace them with representatives who will once again work FOR US!

So, Di...er..Dan, I never replied to you, never addressed you personally, and could care less what party you claim to be a part of. I am so sick of the 'I'm a Democrat', "I'm a Conservative'......

Well, I'm a freakin' AMERICAN! I am not African American, Latino-American, Polish-Czech-Hungarian-American, Native American, Democrat-American, Republican-American...I'm an American!

I am tired of liberals claiming that the Republicans are the bad guy, are evil, and that their own sh!t don't stink! There are politicians on both sides of the floor who have betrayed their party's trust, yes...but more importantly they have betrayed the trust of the American people and the voters they are supposed to be representing!

I want my country back!
I want the criminals out!
I want the politicians selling this country out for votes or money GONE!

And I could care less if they are Republican, Democrat, or Green party!

Is THAT clear enough?