Not that I necessarily agree with you (it's more complicated than you would care to indicate), but the OP didn't say anything about biologists. So why are you bringing it up?
Not that I necessarily agree with you (it's more complicated than you would care to indicate), but the OP didn't say anything about biologists. So why are you bringing it up?
The debate is whether race is more of a scientific, biological/scientific reality to be studied by biologists or a social construct to be studied by sociologists. Both sides of the argument, I think, would agree that it's real.
So if we are going to talk about the biological basis of race, don't you think we should talk about biologists?
No it's not THAT complicated. Those that try to make it seem complicated are pushing an agenda.
Biological Races in Humans
The paper you cited actually makes it complicated, but in a weird "begging the question" sort of way.
But that's not what I was referring to. What's complicated about it is the fact that race and its implications are defined biologically as much (maybe more) from the perspective of the beholder as they are from the perspective of the beheld.
The paper you cited actually makes it complicated, but in a weird "begging the question" sort of way.
But that's not what I was referring to. What's complicated about it is the fact that race and its implications are defined biologically as much (maybe more) from the perspective of the beholder as they are from the perspective of the beheld.
That may be the debate you're engaged in. The debate raised by the OP is whether race exists at all. As I said, there's zero mention of "biological basis" or anything like it in the OP.
And it's absurd to say there's no "biological basis" for race. Practically the entire basis is biological (skin color). What matters is whether those biological differences are in any way meaningful enough to justify how they are treated in society. And of course the answer to that is "no."
I can appreciate the spirit of your post, that all humans should be held to the same standard. However, for functional (political) purposes, Nazis and Communists in the US believe in the concept that "race" is biological, immutable, and a basis for regarding one human as fundamentally different from another.
Technically true. The last human race besides homo sapiens was neanderthal. But, of course, we now the colloquial is not necessarily the literal. So, I'm not really getting your point here other than maybe an attempt to pretend that those calling out racism are the racists. And, we all know what that means. :roll:
A truly ignorant thread/post.
Human is a species (homo sapien).
Race refers to physical characteristics, including skin color.
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You can keep repeating that, or you can respond to what I said. Your choice, if you want to look like a muppet.
The belief that there is more than one human race is as unscientific as the belief in a flat Earth. "Race" is, not only an unscientific term, it is an anti-scientific term.
Let me be perfectly clear; there is only one human race. Now, if someone wants to discuss haplogroups, I will happily enjoin them. Let's just keep it real, as in actual science. Let's not discuss 'the races' as if there is more than one human race.
Those who persist in a belief that there is more than one human race, even after the absurdity of such a belief is pointed out to them, are also those most likely to think of themselves and others, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals. Those who think of themselves and others, first and foremost, as individuals rather than members of groups are those most likely to discard the concept of multiple human races as soon as the absurdity of it is brought to their attention.
One last time - The belief that there is more than one human race is as ridiculous as the belief in a flat Earth.
Technically true. The last human race besides homo sapiens was neanderthal. But, of course, we now the colloquial is not necessarily the literal. So, I'm not really getting your point here other than maybe an attempt to pretend that those calling out racism are the racists. And, we all know what that means. :roll:
Your lack of middle school level knowledge is sad.Skin deep. That's what you're going with? I agree. The belief that there is more than human race is as shallow as can be.
There is only one human race.
The belief that there is more than one human race is as unscientific as the belief in a flat Earth. "Race" is, not only an unscientific term, it is an anti-scientific term.
Let me be perfectly clear; there is only one human race. Now, if someone wants to discuss haplogroups, I will happily enjoin them. Let's just keep it real, as in actual science. Let's not discuss 'the races' as if there is more than one human race.
This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."
That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.
It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
That may be the debate you're engaged in. The debate raised by the OP is whether race exists at all. As I said, there's zero mention of "biological basis" or anything like it in the OP.
And it's absurd to say there's no "biological basis" for race. Practically the entire basis is biological (skin color). What matters is whether those biological differences are in any way meaningful enough to justify how they are treated in society. And of course the answer to that is "no."
This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."
That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.
It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
Yes, there is the biological aspect (eg, the genes responsible for particular skin tones) and the sociological component (what that means in society).
From the biological perspective, it makes no sense to try to categorize people with some clustering of genes for skin tone as a separate race (and biologists LOVE classifying and categorizing). But they tell us this "race" business is not really classifiable from their perspective. There IS NO BIOLOGICAL DEFINITION OF RACE in humans.
It is only a cultural/sociological one.
Because of this well-established usage in the evolutionary literature, “race” and “subspecies” will be regarded as synonyms from a biological perspective. In this manner, human “race” can be placed into a broader evolutionary context that is no longer species-specific or culturally dependent.
Biological Races in Humans
This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."
That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.
It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
The paper supports a biological basis for race. Did you read it?
When did I say that the paper supports a biological basis for race? The only thing I said about the paper was that it makes the issue complicated, but in question-begging sort of way.
This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."
That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.
It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
The belief that there is more than one human race is as unscientific as the belief in a flat Earth. "Race" is, not only an unscientific term, it is an anti-scientific term.
Let me be perfectly clear; there is only one human race. Now, if someone wants to discuss haplogroups, I will happily enjoin them. Let's just keep it real, as in actual science. Let's not discuss 'the races' as if there is more than one human race.
Those who persist in a belief that there is more than one human race, even after the absurdity of such a belief is pointed out to them, are also those most likely to think of themselves and others, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals. Those who think of themselves and others, first and foremost, as individuals rather than members of groups are those most likely to discard the concept of multiple human races as soon as the absurdity of it is brought to their attention.
One last time - The belief that there is more than one human race is as ridiculous as the belief in a flat Earth.
The belief that there is more than one human race is as unscientific as the belief in a flat Earth. "Race" is, not only an unscientific term, it is an anti-scientific term.
Let me be perfectly clear; there is only one human race. Now, if someone wants to discuss haplogroups, I will happily enjoin them. Let's just keep it real, as in actual science. Let's not discuss 'the races' as if there is more than one human race.
Those who persist in a belief that there is more than one human race, even after the absurdity of such a belief is pointed out to them, are also those most likely to think of themselves and others, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals. Those who think of themselves and others, first and foremost, as individuals rather than members of groups are those most likely to discard the concept of multiple human races as soon as the absurdity of it is brought to their attention.
One last time - The belief that there is more than one human race is as ridiculous as the belief in a flat Earth.
If people act like there are human races - and they do, hence all the disgusting racism - then it really does not matter one way or the other whether, as a matter of biology and genetics, there are no such thing as races.
The practical effect of everyone pretending there are races is the same as the practice effect of there objectively being races. The same goes for things like morality.
Your lack of middle school level knowledge is sad.
Here, check this out; Human Evolution Lesson for Kids: Timeline & Stages - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com
You’re welcome.
Can you please be more specific? If race doesnt exist (in scientific terms) how can there be one or more than one 'race?' You claim "there is only one human race."
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