Flags burn in celebration (1 Viewer)

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

July 4, 2006

santa cruz
Flags burn in celebration

By GENEVIEVE BOOKWALTER
SENTINEL STAFF WRITER About 25 revelers celebrated their freedom of speech and welcomed the Fourth of July on Monday night with the "2nd Annual Old Time American Flag Burn."
Around a burn barrel at Seabright State Beach, organizer Brent Adams, 41, of Santa Cruz, declared flag burning not a protest, but a celebration of the Constitution's First Amendment.
"It seemed like a good idea to burn some flags just because we can," added fellow organizer Sha Lar, 32, of Santa Cruz.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2006/July/04/local/stories/06local.htm

On the fourth of july no less. What a bunch of scum bags. Kind of puts a damper in the whole "nobody burns the flag" assertions.

 

[Befuddled_Stoner]

God help us! They burnt a flag!!! The entire underpinning of our society has been dissolved, and the Union is going to collapse!!!

That, or a bunch of morons burnt a colorful piece of fabric and life will continue as usual. Maybe next time Congress should threaten to ammend the Constitution to make it illegal to emigrate to Canada.

 

[PeteEU]

Maybe next time Congress should threaten to ammend the Constitution to make it illegal to emigrate to Canada.

naw they might as well go all the way.. ban free thought and expression.

Still funny how burning a flag is so offensive but farting and worse in a pair of USA underpants is not...

 

[jamesrage]

On the fourth of july no less. What a bunch of scum bags. Kind of puts a damper in the whole "nobody burns the flag" assertions.

This is why I think we need an amendment.These anti-american scum spit on the symbol of our country should be thrown out of the country.

 

[jamesrage]

God help us! They burnt a flag!!! The entire underpinning of our society has been dissolved, and the Union is going to collapse!!!

That, or a bunch of morons burnt a colorful piece of fabric and life will continue as usual. Maybe next time Congress should threaten to ammend the Constitution to make it illegal to emigrate to Canada.

It is a shame that you mind is too poluted to see that our flag is a symbol of our country.Of course I am sure loyalty to your country means nothing.

 

[KidRocks]

This is why I think we need an amendment.These anti-american scum spit on the symbol of our country should be thrown out of the country.

Throw them out of the country? Why stop there? Why not execute them first? Why not make flag-burning a federal offence punishable by death via the firing squad or the electric chair?

And let the citizens choose by which means of death, and let the citizens witness via public executions.

 

[jamesrage]

Throw them out of the country? Why stop there? Why not execute them first?

Because that means a shitload of appeals and huge cost to tax payers and a waste of electricity.So why not toss them into a country where they will be welcomed with open arms and allowed to burn American flags all day?

Why not make flag-burning a federal offence punishable by death via the firing squad or the electric chair?

I think getting permanatly tossed out of the greatest country on earth and tossed in some middle eastern hell hole is a sufficant punishment.The thought that they gave up living in a great country and are now living in a shithole middle eastern country would be a good punishment.They could get letters from family back home to remind them what they missing out on.

And let the citizens choose by which means of death, and let the citizens witness via public executions.

I do support public excutions for murderers,terrorist,child molesters,traitors and other similar scum.

 

[::Major_Baker::]

banish them from the country for burning a flag....what a moronic idea.


what is the big ***CING DEAL>?

you guys are way too sensitive. act tough like americans do.

 

[jamesrage]

banish them from the country for burning a flag....what a moronic idea.

So you think loyalty to your country is a moronic idea?

what is the big ***CING DEAL>?

It is disloyal to your country to burn your nation's flag in a disrespectful manner.

you guys are way too sensitive. act tough like americans do.

Trash who burn our flags as a sign of disrespect do not deserve to be in this country.There are millions of people in other countries who would love to be loyal patrotic citizens,so why not a exchange program where ever disoyal,globalist,internationalist gets exchanged with citizens of other countries who would like to be an American.Americans are loyal to their country not disloyal.

 

[::Major_Baker::]

So you think loyalty to your country is a moronic idea?

burning a flag is not being disloyal. It's being disrespectful. Big difference.

It is disloyal to your country to burn your nation's flag in a disrespectful manner.

No, it's just disrespectful. being disployal is doing something that actually hurts the country. no one gets hurt when a flag is burnt. But you proclaiming that citizens of our country should be exiled for such an action, is something that kim jong il would come up with.

Real disloyalty is exhibited by those who destroy america's economy by shopping at walmart, cheat the system via corruption, and pollute america's environment because they can. Not to mention ignoring your fellow countrymen's needs and only caring about yourself. That's real disloyalty.

 

[Deegan]

This country is going right down the toilet, stupid, lazy Americans indeed. This culture of disrespectful, irresponsible, smart a$$ generation of do nothings is going to break this country in two! Anyone who thinks this is what the founding fathers envisioned is high, in fact, most of this country is usually high, so it makes perfect sense actually!:roll:

 

[jamesrage]

burning a flag is not being disloyal. It's being disrespectful. Big difference.




No, it's just disrespectful. being disployal is doing something that actually hurts the country. no one gets hurt when a flag is burnt. But you proclaiming that citizens of our country should be exiled for such an action, is something that kim jong il would come up with.

Real disloyalty is exhibited by those who destroy america's economy by shopping at walmart, cheat the system via corruption, and pollute america's environment because they can. Not to mention ignoring your fellow countrymen's needs and only caring about yourself. That's real disloyalty.

Burning your nation's flag as a sign of disrespect is disloyal since it is a very unpatriotic thing to do and demonstrates a lack of love for your country.Buring your nation's flag as a sign of disrespect is also a desertion of allegiance to your country..

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disloyal

disloyal

adj 1: showing lack of love for your country [syn: unpatriotic] [ant: patriotic] 2: deserting your allegiance or duty to leader or cause or principle; "disloyal aides revealed his indiscretions to the papers" [ant: loyal]

 

[::Major_Baker::]

Burning your nation's flag as a sign of disrespect is disloyal since it is a very unpatriotic thing to do and demonstrates a lack of love for your country.Buring your nation's flag as a sign of disrespect is also a desertion of allegiance to your country..

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disloyal

disloyal

adj 1: showing lack of love for your country [syn: unpatriotic] [ant: patriotic] 2: deserting your allegiance or duty to leader or cause or principle; "disloyal aides revealed his indiscretions to the papers" [ant: loyal]

Oh come on.
burning a flag could mean a that you are not happy with policy. It doesn't automatically mean you hate the country.
What is the proper way to dispose of an unworthly flag? BURN IT.


Are you honestly going to tell me that we should base a constituional amendment on an action that can be done 'legally' for one reason, and 'illegally' for another reason, solely based upon what thoughts are in the burner's head?

Don't you see how ridiculous this is?

 

[jamesrage]

Oh come on.
burning a flag could mean a that you are not happy with policy. It doesn't automatically mean you hate the country.

Bullshit.If you were happy with the goverment you have these things called vocal cords and there is even these inventions called pen , paper and internet in which you can voice or print your dissatisfaction with the government.

What is the proper way to dispose of an unworthly flag? BURN IT.

Burning a unserviceable flag in order to properly dispose of it is not the same as some degerate anti-american burning our flag.

Are you honestly going to tell me that we should base a constituional amendment on an action that can be done 'legally' for one reason, and 'illegally' for another reason, solely based upon what thoughts are in the burner's head?

Legally abortion nazis can kill children who have not left their mother's womb,murderers and repeat child molesters(in some states) are or can be executed while it is illegal for me to walk up to someone and murder them in cold blood.The law distinguishes the difference between a legal and illegal action even though the end result is the same.

Don't you see how ridiculous this is?

It is rediculous to let people who are disloyal to our country stay here in this country when there is millions and perhaps billions of people who want to be loyal American citizens.

 

[26 X World Champs]

On the fourth of july no less. What a bunch of scum bags. Kind of puts a damper in the whole "nobody burns the flag" assertions.

OMG! This must signal the end of civilizaton as we know it! How will America recover from this! Don't you hate it when people excercise their right to free speech?

This must be the beginning of The Raptures! Surely no God who loves America would allow our nation to survive such a desecration of our flag. I say we should arrest and then hang these bastards, they don't deserve to be alive and they don't deserve to be Americans! Free Speech! Who do they think they are!

How will we ever survive? Next thing you know people will start demanding the right to privacy again! God knows we can't allow that! An example must be made and these Commies must be hung!

 

[26 X World Champs]

This is why I think we need an amendment.These anti-american scum spit on the symbol of our country should be thrown out of the country.

YEAH! DAMN RIGHT! Burn them at the stake! Send them to a damn country that allows for Freedom of Speech! How dare they!

Kill the scum! Kill! Kill! Kill!

 

[::Major_Baker::]

Bullshit.If you were happy with the goverment you have these things called vocal cords and there is even these inventions called pen , paper and internet in which you can voice or print your dissatisfaction with the government.

Everyone's got their oen way of presenting ideas. Are you saying that only certain mediums of communication should be allowed?

Burning a unserviceable flag in order to properly dispose of it is not the same as some degerate anti-american burning our flag.

So the only thing that is different between these two actions are the personal thoughts of the perpetrator, which we could really never be completely sure of in the first place. Don't you see the silliness here? Two actions are not illegal, but you want to make it illegal solely based on what the person was thinking at the time? This speaks nothing of actual circumstances, like your murder analogy did.

It is the same end result, even though the intentions were different. But there is no reason that a symbolic issue like this should be reflected in the constiution.

Legally abortion nazis can kill children who have not left their mother's womb,murderers and repeat child molesters(in some states) are or can be executed while it is illegal for me to walk up to someone and murder them in cold blood.The law distinguishes the difference between a legal and illegal action even though the end result is the same.

Abortion isn't murder, as the fetus is not yet self sufficent and able to survive independently. But we're not going there.

It is rediculous to let people who are disloyal to our country stay here in this country when there is millions and perhaps billions of people who want to be loyal American citizens.

again, this is not being disloyal.
Should we kick those out that disagree with policies on the USA?

 

[doughgirl]

Jamesrage said, "These anti-american scum spit on the symbol of our country should be thrown out of the country."

I think they are anti-American low-life scum too............BUT, I think they have the right for expression. The flag is only a symbol like the cross is for Christians. And the cross is desecrated all over the country.

The Supreme Court has made clear in a series of cases that symbolic expression may be protected by the First Amendment. Funny however that destroying money is illegal.

Hmmm

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

free speech is a two way street mother ****ers they burn the flag I call them scumbags and piss on their graves. (the second one is freedom of expression.) It would be a political statement.

 

[Alex]

This is why I think we need an amendment.These anti-american scum spit on the symbol of our country should be thrown out of the country.

If you do not like flag-burning, choose not to burn one. Everyone else deserves the same chance to make their own choice.

I cannot understand why people feel the need to impose their convictions on others. Are they not satisfied with their own ideas? Do they need to impose them on others by law so they feel "right" because without the law on their side, they feel "wrong"? I'll never understand!

 

[SixStringHero]

I believe in Freedom of Speech and if someone wants to burn the flag, no matter how ignorant an act it may be.

Furthermore, why get your panties in a bunch over someone burning a flag that was more than likely made in China?

 

[jamesrage]

Everyone's got their oen way of presenting ideas. Are you saying that only certain mediums of communication should be allowed?

Burning our flag as a sign of disrespect is disloyal,much how these vermoun leftist actors and singers go over to some commie south American country to slander our president.By your logic Timmothy Mcviegh was was only exercising his "freedom of expression" and showing his dislike for the goverment when he blew up a federal building.

So the only thing that is different between these two actions are the personal thoughts of the perpetrator, which we could really never be completely sure of in the first place. Don't you see the silliness here? Two actions are not illegal, but you want to make it illegal solely based on what the person was thinking at the time? This speaks nothing of actual circumstances, like your murder analogy did.

It is the same end result, even though the intentions were different. But there is no reason that a symbolic issue like this should be reflected in the constiution.

We distinguish the difference between treason and speech.I am sure the leftist hero Theodore Hall thought his treason was a form of speech.

Abortion isn't murder, as the fetus is not yet self sufficent and able to survive independently. But we're not going there.

Murder is a term to describe an illegal killing.Nazi Abortionist and murderers basicly do the same thing except the abortion nazis were able to convince a scumbag leftist judge to legalize killing children that have not been born yet.

again, this is not being disloyal.
Should we kick those out that disagree with policies on the USA?

Complaining to the goverment and burning a symbol of our nation as means of disrespect are two different things.Perhaps you would be okay with citizens burning copies of the US constitution or printing our constitution on toilet paper since you seem to think our flag is a worthless piece of fabric.

 

[jamesrage]

If you do not like flag-burning, choose not to burn one. Everyone else deserves the same chance to make their own choice.

By that logic we should make every indecent thing legal.If you don't like murder then do not murder,if you do not like stealing then do not steal,if you do not like speeding 20 miles above the speed limit then do not speed.If you do not like beastality then do not have sex with animals, and the list of things made legal could go on and on.

 

[26 X World Champs]

By that logic we should make every indecent thing legal.If you don't like murder then do not murder,if you do not like stealing then do not steal,if you do not like speeding 20 miles above the speed limit then do not speed.If you do not like beastality then do not have sex with animals, and the list of things made legal could go on and on.

You know as a rule I do not respond to your posts because they're so far off the scale of rationality that it's useless to debate you. This post you just wrote is the perfect example of that illogical and lack of reasoning.

For anyone to compare burning a flag to murder or sex with an animal is an excellent example of a person not worthy of debating...

 

[Alex]

By that logic we should make every indecent thing legal.If you don't like murder then do not murder,if you do not like stealing then do not steal,if you do not like speeding 20 miles above the speed limit then do not speed.If you do not like beastality then do not have sex with animals, and the list of things made legal could go on and on.

Most of the things you listed do not involve consent (murder, stealing, and beastiality), so they are not comparable to flag-burning, which does not require consent of anyone else because the actual act does not directly harm others. Murder, stealing, and beastiality are all illegal because they are commited without consent and cause harm to others. You cannot have them without harm coming along with them. You can have flag-burning without harm.

I do not see how going 20 miles above the speed limit is "indecent" but I think I get your point. That would probably have something to do with probability. The probability of harming someone who is speeding is far greater than harming someone from flag-burning.

For the record, I see nothing wrong with driving as fast as you want. If your speeding causes an accident, then you are liable. Speeding and accidents are two separate issues because one can happen without the other. It is possible that I could speed all the time and not get into an accident.