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I finally have something in agreement with Michael Moore...

"Dude, where's my country?"...:(

(CBS4) LONGMONT, Colo. Several students were under suspension for flying flags at Skyline High School in a debate over immigration that has sparked debates over free speech and patriotism.

On Friday, some of the students skipped classes and took to the sidewalks outside the school.

"If this country means freedom why can't we fly our own flag? It's ridiculous," said Dustin Carlson, a suspended student.

The walkouts started on Monday when Mexican-American students began protesting the immigration bill now being debated in Washington, which calls for criminalizing illegal immigration.

Several carried Mexican flags which started counter protests from students who bore American flags. That's when the school stepped in.

Principal Tom Stumpf said students were becoming involved in what the school saw as bigotry.

Mexican-American student Lupita Silva claimed there were racial slurs and epithets.

"Just because you're Latino, they hate you," Silva said.

Stumpf said he feared the conduct with flags on schools grounds could "pretty quickly erupt into violence." He said it's his responsibility to ensure the school and students were safe and called reaction to the suspensions "misguided patriotism."

Bringing the flag of the very country you reside in is now called "bigotry"...:(
 
They banned the Mexican flags too, you know.

Generally, I'd say anything like this is idiotic. However, in all liklihood it's just a temporary ban until things smooth over. The last thing this or any school needs is racial violence from either side... teenagers can get very hotheaded in groups.
 
Americans use the flag A LOT :2razz: compared to other nations.. but yea silly to ban stuff.
 
vergiss said:
They banned the Mexican flags too, you know.

The difference is, American flags belong in American schools.

I don't object to Mexican-Americans using their flag as a symbol of pride in their heritage-- as many other ethnicities do in the United States-- but many Mexicans fly it without flying the American flag, or fly it in a superior or equal position to the American flag.

If they want to be Mexicans, and they want to take pride in Mexico-- an admirable attitude-- they should live and work in Mexico and raise their families there to be proud Mexican citizens.
 
The banning of the flags is silly. It is the uncreative school officials who are afraid to open up the debate and talk it out. Flags don't kill people. Students do.

If the school wants to completely insure that they don't have violence in their school, then they should ban students. :rofl
 
This whole flag issue is "smokes and mirrors". I am so tired of conservatives trying to claim moral superiority by wrapping themselves in the flag, be it flag-burning or this issue. Conservatives rally around the flag, not because of what it represents but because of political clout they hope to gain by doing so.
People have flown the flag of their country of origin throughout the history of this country. Why are we up in arms now because it is Mexicans instead of Swedes or Irish? Could it have something to do with the color of their skin?

I live in a fairly conservative neighborhood and my neighbors are pretty vocal on this issue. Yet, one of my neighbors who has been very outspoken about "illegals" flys the New Zealand Flag on the hill behind his house.

Ancestorial pride or ???????
 
PeteEU said:
Americans use the flag A LOT :2razz: compared to other nations.. but yea silly to ban stuff.

Any proof of this ? And if they do - so what ....
But liberty/freedom is something that always has to be earned and deserved - if abused, then rights must be curtailed...
I 'd say I generally disagree with the protesters.
America does NOT exist for the benefit of irresponsible foreign nations(Mexico, banana republics, South America), but for its own best interests..
Most, if not all nations are the same way.
Immigration MUST BE controlled..
 
disneydude said:
This whole flag issue is "smokes and mirrors". I am so tired of conservatives trying to claim moral superiority by wrapping themselves in the flag, be it flag-burning or this issue. Conservatives rally around the flag, not because of what it represents but because of political clout they hope to gain by doing so.
People have flown the flag of their country of origin throughout the history of this country. Why are we up in arms now because it is Mexicans instead of Swedes or Irish? Could it have something to do with the color of their skin?

I live in a fairly conservative neighborhood and my neighbors are pretty vocal on this issue. Yet, one of my neighbors who has been very outspoken about "illegals" flys the New Zealand Flag on the hill behind his house.

Ancestorial pride or ???????

This is an obvious violation of the First Amendment's right to freedom of speech. That's the issue.
 
Any student who walked out of class should have been punished before it escalated.
TOT had a good idea…I would wear an American flag shirt to school for the entire time this was going on...;)

One last note….at the school entrance what two flags are there?

your guessed it Old Glory and the state flag…
:2usflag:
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
The difference is, American flags belong in American schools.

I don't object to Mexican-Americans using their flag as a symbol of pride in their heritage-- as many other ethnicities do in the United States-- but many Mexicans fly it without flying the American flag, or fly it in a superior or equal position to the American flag.

If they want to be Mexicans, and they want to take pride in Mexico-- an admirable attitude-- they should live and work in Mexico and raise their families there to be proud Mexican citizens.

I often fly my family's Welsh flag, without any Australian flag. I even have a patch of the Welsh flag sewn onto my schoolbag. That doesn't mean I'm not glad to be in Australia.

These kids started with a protest - which they're entitled to do, regardless if you agree with them or not. The problem is when flag waving morons from either side use what is a symbol of their nation as a symbol of violence and hate.

Do any of you remember the Cronulla riots in Australia last December? Thousands of white Australians "protested" against Middle Eastern immigrants on a Sydney beach with Australian flags waving everywhere. It didn't take long until it'd erupted into a rabid mob that was attacking every bystander who looked Middle Eastern - even if they weren't, even if they just had a dark complexion. I saw footage of some idiot with an Australian flag wrapped around his shoulders pulling the headscarf off some Muslim girl, who couldn't have been any older than 15. It was sick, and for weeks afterwards every bogan and his dog was carrying an Australian flag. It was unsettling, and it was a violation of the flag itself to use it as a symbol of such disgusting behaviour.
 
Censorship is censorship, and it is not alright no matter what flag was being displayed. The school took an easy way out by banning the flag. They should have explained to the students that the demonstrations were alright as long as no violence occurred.
 
vergiss said:
It was unsettling, and it was a violation of the flag itself to use it as a symbol of such disgusting behaviour.

I agree, but I think that actions such as the school's only reinforce the idea that the flag itself is a symbol of hatred-- and that it is somehow unclean or unworthy. I find this utterly unacceptable.
 
cnredd said:
I finally have something in agreement with Michael Moore...

"Dude, where's my country?"...:(



Bringing the flag of the very country you reside in is now called "bigotry"...:(

IF any flags are going to banned it should be foriegn flags.The principal should not send the message to students that it is okay to ban one of the symbols our country because some ****ing illegals might get their feeling hurt.WTF,OVER!
The principal should be fired for this ****.It is pc nonsense like this **** why our nation is being deballed.**** those who might be offended becasue students fly our nation's flag.If you are offended by our flag then get the **** out of here.
 
The removal was within current legal rules about this, and I can imagine the guy trying to maintain order. But this is just one more reason to privatize schools - then it would be demonstrate in the streets all you want, but on private property, maintain order and do what is expected of you, or get out.
 
alphamale said:
The removal was within current legal rules about this, and I can imagine the guy trying to maintain order. But this is just one more reason to privatize schools - then it would be demonstrate in the streets all you want, but on private property, maintain order and do what is expected of you, or get out.

A flag is a flag. I have mainly Italian and German heritages, with a few others mixed in there. I have both flags in my home, but they pale in comparison to the flag of my homeland, the US. I was born here, raised here, and while I want to teach my kids to respect our heritage, if there's one thing I've taught them it's that the Stars and Stripes did not come without the death's of men and women, and disrespecting the symbol of this country is tantamount to disrespecting those deaths, and those visionaries who were and ARE willing to die to defend it.

You can't teach people to respect something they don't understand. They have to want to respect such. And the fact that someone is protesting any governmental action, waving the flag of a foreign country, while doing so, is beyond reprehensible.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
I agree, but I think that actions such as the school's only reinforce the idea that the flag itself is a symbol of hatred-- and that it is somehow unclean or unworthy. I find this utterly unacceptable.

Teenagers especially are prone to mob mentality, and a mob can be manipulated through symbols. If there's nothing to rally them with, it'll be harder for violence to erupt. It's only temporary.
 
vergiss said:
Teenagers especially are prone to mob mentality, and a mob can be manipulated through symbols. If there's nothing to rally them with, it'll be harder for violence to erupt. It's only temporary.

This is a blatant violation of the first amendment whether it be the banning of American or Mexican flags.
 
disneydude said:
This whole flag issue is "smokes and mirrors". I am so tired of conservatives trying to claim moral superiority by wrapping themselves in the flag, be it flag-burning or this issue. Conservatives rally around the flag, not because of what it represents but because of political clout they hope to gain by doing so.

People have flown the flag of their country of origin throughout the history of this country. Why are we up in arms now because it is Mexicans instead of Swedes or Irish? Could it have something to do with the color of their skin?

I live in a fairly conservative neighborhood and my neighbors are pretty vocal on this issue. Yet, one of my neighbors who has been very outspoken about "illegals" flys the New Zealand Flag on the hill behind his house.

Ancestorial pride or ???????
Dude, I don't know what burr is under your saddle, but you are WAY off freakin' base on this one, as least as the MAJORITY goes! I don't know what is wrong with your neighbors, but as for me and mine, when ANYONE in America tries to ban AMERICAN FLAGS and clothing expressing national pride or anything having to do with American pride, it has nothing to do with any "Moral Superiority"! This has everything to do with Political Correctness run amuck!

This is America for gosh sakes! It is bad enough that we are told that we can not express anything about Christianity in public anymore, despite the fact that the VAST majority of the Founding fathers were christians and wrote many personal papers and gave speeches saying that this country was founded as a Christian nation and could hardly exist without God! NOW we are being told that we have to be ashamed of being Americans in our own country? That we can not have the American Flags in our schools because it might offend some illegal immigrant children who have come to this country and are now in our schools systems receiving a FREE American education? We have to tell our kids that they can't wear anything with the American flag on it for fear of sticking their attitude of moral superiority in others faces? (Dude, my 8 year old has no idea what that means but loves this country and loves to wear a dress with that has a logo of an American Flag on it. If you think I am going to tell her she can't wear it, you're nuts...and it has nothing to do with racism!)

Why shouldn't we be proud of this country? If it $UCKED, do you think all these illegal immigrants would be flocking here to begin with? We are the envy of almost every country in the world, which is why so many millions from other nations come here, legally or not, every year! They want a piece of what we have, yet you are telling us, like this stupid rule, that we have to start hiding our colors and stop displaying our American pride because it might hurt the foreigner's feelings?!

Too Frickin' bad! No one asked them here anyway, especially the ILLEGAL aliens, so if they are offended, they can stop taking our FREE welfare, unemployment, medicaid, healthcare, education and jobs, and go the h@ll back were they came from, and they can cut back through the desert the way they came in! If that sounds like I am a racist, you are wrong, because I would tell ANYONE of any race or color the same thing, that we don't have to hide our pride for this country IN this country for anyone! I would argue that Mexico, Canada, and any other country has the same right to express their pride in their country in any way they want - it is THEIR country! If I don't like it, I can stay out!

This whole thing is friggin' ridiculous! Next thing you are going to see is some stupid politician pandering to someone or some group for votes by writing legislation that calls for English to be outlawed in school, forcing us all to learn and speak only Spanish to accomodate the Latinos better and to ensure we don't offend them! H@LL, we never could pass the STUPID rule where English is the official language, but just to get more votes, some politician might even suggest that we make Spanish the nation's official language!:roll:
 
Right on EZ.....

You go boy!

:2usflag:

But, let's not forget that Abbey Hoffman had the snot beat out of him for wearing a shirt, that was similar in nature to Ol' Glory, my some our nation's finest. (Funny, when Roy Rogers and Dale Evans did it it was ok....:roll: )
Tell the girls to watch out for the man.:shock:
 
Captain America said:
:2usflag:

But, let's not forget that Abbey Hoffman had the snot beat out of him for wearing a shirt, that was similar in nature to Ol' Glory, my some our nation's finest. (Funny, when Roy Rogers and Dale Evans did it it was ok....:roll: )

:rofl

NOBODY messes with Roy Rogers and Dale Evans!
 
debate_junkie said:
A flag is a flag. I have mainly Italian and German heritages, with a few others mixed in there. I have both flags in my home, but they pale in comparison to the flag of my homeland, the US. I was born here, raised here, and while I want to teach my kids to respect our heritage, if there's one thing I've taught them it's that the Stars and Stripes did not come without the death's of men and women, and disrespecting the symbol of this country is tantamount to disrespecting those deaths, and those visionaries who were and ARE willing to die to defend it.

You can't teach people to respect something they don't understand. They have to want to respect such. And the fact that someone is protesting any governmental action, waving the flag of a foreign country, while doing so, is beyond reprehensible.

People died for an inanimate object? How silly! Though your argument appeals to emotion it has little to do with logic. A flag is a symbol (made in China, how patriotic is that?). Tell me, is it un-American to burn an apple pie? How many people died for apple pie?

If people dying for inanimate objects is the reason we should respect said objects then I suppose all inanimate objects deserve respect. I wonder if this could extend to magnets on cars. As we all know, any TRUE American has at least 3 ribbon magnets on their car.

People didn't die for inanimate objects. They died for freedom! The freedom to do whatever with any flag they choose as long as no one gets hurt. And no, hurt feelings don't count as hurt.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
This is a blatant violation of the first amendment whether it be the banning of American or Mexican flags.

I'm a fan of your First Amendment, don't worry, but... I kinda don't see what flags have to do with freedom of speech.

What your opinion on banning the burning of flags?
 
vergiss said:
If there's nothing to rally them with, it'll be harder for violence to erupt. It's only temporary.

Veering from the topic here, but that's been part of the justification of every policy which has significantly restricted the rights of citizens to political expression-- "it's only temporary".

It never is.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
I'd dress in a giant American flag jumpsuit, refuse to take it off, and file a law suit for a violation of my freedom of expression.

Highschool kids dont wear jump suits anymore....:|....they wear...ummm..."Gangsta" clothing....You old fool :p
 

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