Stu Ghatze
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Binary_Digit said:I hope he has good evidence too. I'd hate to think 2 years and however much money spent for nothing.
Stu Ghatze said:And....not some vague phoney charge of lying based on somebody's inability to remember every word spoken in order to indict for by being very creative in his zest to prosecute!!
We MUST remember that Willie Clinton HIMSELF could NOT remember statements, or words ...& 267 times Slick Willie said simply, I don't remember".
We MUST also remember that partisan politics, & an aggressive prosecutor did NOT indict Clinton for wrongdoing, ...HIS OWN DNA LEFT ON THE BLUE DRESS CAUGHT HIM IN LYING TO A JUDGE, & PROSECUTOR which WAS central to the whole charge of lying to a federal grand jury, as his OWN DNA convicted him of "having sexual relations with that woman"!
If Fitzgerald has no proof of anybody deliberately "outing" Valerie PLame as PAYBACK, & has NO proof of intent, or the knowledge of even anybody knowing IF she was a covert CIA employee, ..the whole investigation better end tommorow, ...rather than take on a new twist of seeking some creative inventive charges of wrongdoing elsewhere in order to prosecute because of lack of real evidence to the specific reason for the grand jury that was put together in the first place!
If it turns out to be a witch hunt, ...It WILL be seen as exactly just that, & the phoney Joe Wilson will NOT be the vehicle that brings democrats any real empowerment in 08', & that is for damn sure!
Kandahar said:My god, you are such an idiot.
You have no idea what (if any) evidence Fitzgerald has, and you have no idea what (if any) charges he plans to bring against Rove/Libby. It doesn't matter, because you'll condemn him anyway no matter what happens in the next few days. If he doesn't bring any charges, you'll condemn him for wasting taxpayer's time and money. If he brings charges of perjury (which you supported against Bill Clinton), you'll condemn him for not prosecuting the original crime. If he brings charges of outing a CIA agent, you'll condemn the charges as false (even before seeing the evidence). If Karl Rove and Scooter Libby came to your house and personally admitted wrongdoing to you, you'd condemn Fitzgerald for bullying them into a false confession.
Can you please, for one second of your life, stop being so blindly partisan?
Iriemon said:Yeah -- how much did the Whitewater investigation cost? 43 million?
Kandahar said:My god, you are such an idiot.
You have no idea what (if any) evidence Fitzgerald has, and you have no idea what (if any) charges he plans to bring against Rove/Libby. It doesn't matter, because you'll condemn him anyway no matter what happens in the next few days. If he doesn't bring any charges, you'll condemn him for wasting taxpayer's time and money. If he brings charges of perjury (which you supported against Bill Clinton), you'll condemn him for not prosecuting the original crime. If he brings charges of outing a CIA agent, you'll condemn the charges as false (even before seeing the evidence). If Karl Rove and Scooter Libby came to your house and personally admitted wrongdoing to you, you'd condemn Fitzgerald for bullying them into a false confession.
Can you please, for one second of your life, stop being so blindly partisan?
Kandahar said:My god, you are such an idiot.
You have no idea what (if any) evidence Fitzgerald has, and you have no idea what (if any) charges he plans to bring against Rove/Libby. It doesn't matter, because you'll condemn him anyway no matter what happens in the next few days. If he doesn't bring any charges, you'll condemn him for wasting taxpayer's time and money. If he brings charges of perjury (which you supported against Bill Clinton), you'll condemn him for not prosecuting the original crime. If he brings charges of outing a CIA agent, you'll condemn the charges as false (even before seeing the evidence). If Karl Rove and Scooter Libby came to your house and personally admitted wrongdoing to you, you'd condemn Fitzgerald for bullying them into a false confession.
Can you please, for one second of your life, stop being so blindly partisan?
Kandahar said:I don't know if either of them broke any federal laws. I do believe that they leaked information to reporters, with the purpose of discrediting Joe Wilson. That may or may not fall into the category of a felony, depending on whether or not the information was actually classified and whether or not they knew it was classified at the time. However, both Libby and Rove clearly leaked the information for petty, vindictive reasons, and should resign even if they are not guilty of breaking the law.
cnredd said:http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=119248&postcount=5
It seems the glass houses have been shattered...:roll:
cnredd said:http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=119248&postcount=5
It seems the glass houses have been shattered...:roll:
Stu Ghatze said:Hi cnredd, .....YOU are probably like a bad penny that just showed up for Kandahar!
He is CONVINCED that Cheney & company leaked info to discredit his so called, "victims".....& I'm the one who is partisan, huh huh!:2razz:
Stu Ghatze said:Hi cnredd, .....YOU are probably like a bad penny that just showed up for Kandahar!
He is CONVINCED that Cheney & company leaked info to discredit his so called, "victims".....& I'm the one who is partisan, huh huh!:2razz:
As of right now, there is no perjury charge against them, so you are just using partisan rhetoric to get what you hope will be the truth...:roll:scottyz said:So it was ok to use a perjury trap to get Clinton, but it's not ok to do the same to Rove and Libby? Some magical law makes perjury legal for them? :lol:
We should know for sure tomorrow if there will be any charges. What truth am I hoping to get? The point is the Starr wasn't able to get Clinton on the orignal charges but he was able to get him in a perjury trap. Sounds like Stu is saying that this strategy is an unacceptable way to get Rove or Libby indicted. I'm sure he didn't feel this way when it happened to Clinton. He sounds like Kay Bailey Hutchison atm.cnredd said:As of right now, there is no perjury charge against them, so you are just using partisan rhetoric to get what you hope will be the truth...:roll:
Starr?...Nope...scottyz said:We should know for sure tomorrow if there will be any charges. What truth am I hoping to get? The point is the Starr wasn't able to get Clinton on the orignal charges but he was able to get him in a perjury trap. Sounds like Stu is saying that this strategy is an unacceptable way to get Rove or Libby indicted. I'm sure he didn't feel this way when it happened to Clinton. He sounds like Kay Bailey Hutchison atm.
So when Whitewater didn't pan out Lucienne Goldberg got them a new charge to work with, what is your point? Why is it wrong to use a perjury trap to get Rove or Libby?cnredd said:Starr?...Nope...
Go a little higher...blame Reno...
On January 15, Starr obtained approval from General Janet Reno, who in turn sought and received an order from the United States Court of Appeals, to expand the scope of the Whitewater probe into the new allegations
http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-gov/e-politicalarchive-Clintonimpeach.htm
Starr...Another falsity that became fact...Heaven forbid you go after a Democrat with your allegations of a "perjury trap"...:roll:
[MOD MODE]Kandahar said:My god, you are such an idiot.
So, we should hold Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey for any of the "secondary" charges that stem from this case(pdf) being investigated by his "close friend" Fitzgerald?cnredd said:Starr?...Nope...
Go a little higher...blame Reno...
On January 15, Starr obtained approval from Attorney General Janet Reno, who in turn sought and received an order from the United States Court of Appeals, to expand the scope of the Whitewater probe into the new allegations
http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-gov/e-politicalarchive-Clintonimpeach.htm
Starr...Another falsity that became fact...Heaven forbid you go after a Democrat with your allegations of a "perjury trap"...:roll:
Iriemon said:Yeah -- how much did the Whitewater investigation cost? 43 million?
scottyz said:So it was ok to use a perjury trap to get Clinton, but it's not ok to do the same to Rove and Libby? Some magical law makes perjury legal for them? :lol:
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