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FISA shocker: DOJ official warned Steele dossier was connected to Clinton, might be biased

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"When the annals of mistakes and abuses in the FBI’s Russia investigation are finally written, Bruce Ohr almost certainly will be the No. 1 witness, according to my sources.

The then-No. 4 Department of Justice (DOJ) official briefed both senior FBI and DOJ officials in summer 2016 about Christopher Steele’s Russia dossier, explicitly cautioning that the British intelligence operative’s work was opposition research connected to Hillary Clinton’s campaign and might be biased.

Ohr’s briefings, in July and August 2016, included the deputy director of the FBI, a top lawyer for then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch and a Justice official who later would become the top deputy to special counsel Robert Mueller".

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...arned-steele-dossier-was-connected-to-clinton

Why does it matter?
From the article ...

And the FBI knew the motive of the client and did not have to speculate: Ohr told agents the Democratic nominee’s campaign was connected to the research designed to harm Trump’s election chances.

Such omissions are, by definition, an abuse of the FISA system.

Besides suggesting FBI and DOJ FISA abuse the stories suggest Adam Schiff was telling fibs to the public too.

Here are a couple of other reports on the subject.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/key-doj-officials-mueller-knew-about-dossier
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/br...ier-author-with-justice-department-colleagues

I didn't see any WAPO headlines on the story today.
 
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The FBI certainly deserves a black eye for this.
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The FBI certainly deserves a black eye for this.
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It is hard to hold an entire group responsible for the actions of a few high ranking members. If dad commits adultery on a regular basis do you hold mom and the kids in low esteem for dad's actions?
 
Hmm....

The OP relies primarily on an opinion by John Solomon.

John F. Solomon is an American media executive and columnist. He is currently vice president of digital video and an opinion contributor for The Hill.[1] He is known primarily for his tenure as an executive and editor-in-chief at The Washington Times.[2] He has been accused of biased reporting in favor of conservatives, and of repeatedly manufacturing faux scandals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Solomon
 
Hmm....

The OP relies primarily on an opinion by John Solomon.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Solomon

Typical winger despartion pulling out alt-right political porn cuz King TangFace is getting reamed in the news cycle daily and is pissing hiself over Mueller time. I mean Rudy admitted Collusion last night, how long can Trump go? Surely at this point, even they know making it to 2020 isn't very realistic at this point.
 
No it doesn't. There were 2 other sources and they all quoted Bruce Ohr's testimony.

IRL, your OP absolutely relied primarily on an opinion piece written by a guy known for promoting fake scandals.

One of your other sources relied on the guy who wrote a book about the Left Wing Conspiracy. Your last source relied on two Faux News sycophants.
 
IRL, your OP absolutely relied primarily on an opinion piece written by a guy known for promoting fake scandals.

One of your other sources relied on the guy who wrote a book about the Left Wing Conspiracy. Your last source relied on two Faux News sycophants.

Bruce Ohr's testimony.
 
IRL, your OP absolutely relied primarily on an opinion piece written by a guy known for promoting fake scandals.

One of your other sources relied on the guy who wrote a book about the Left Wing Conspiracy. Your last source relied on two Faux News sycophants.

“I certainly told the FBI that Fusion GPS was working with, doing opposition research on Donald Trump,” Ohr told congressional investigators, adding that he warned the FBI that Steele expressed bias during their conversations.

“I provided information to the FBI when I thought Christopher Steele was, as I said, desperate that Trump not be elected,” he added. “So, yes, of course I provided that to the FBI.”

^^^
Not opinion, FACT.
Why does the Left not want to find out how the FBI abused its power?
 
I see nothing amiss here unless we are NOT talking about the Carter Page FISA warrant. Are we? Because that warrant application indicated the source of the Steele dossier.
 
Typical winger despartion pulling out alt-right political porn cuz King TangFace is getting reamed in the news cycle daily and is pissing hiself over Mueller time. I mean Rudy admitted Collusion last night, how long can Trump go? Surely at this point, even they know making it to 2020 isn't very realistic at this point.

Yeah, nobody but other dumb right wingers are going to buy the piles of **** they constantly dump on the forum.
 
“I certainly told the FBI that Fusion GPS was working with, doing opposition research on Donald Trump,” Ohr told congressional investigators, adding that he warned the FBI that Steele expressed bias during their conversations.

“I provided information to the FBI when I thought Christopher Steele was, as I said, desperate that Trump not be elected,” he added. “So, yes, of course I provided that to the FBI.”

^^^
Not opinion, FACT.
Why does the Left not want to find out how the FBI abused its power?

Get back to me if and when you revive that dead horse.

In 2018, Ohr became the subject of right-wing conspiracy theories which alleged that he played an important role in starting the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.[5][6] The conspiracy theories allege that the origins of the Russia probe were biased and were intended to undermine then-candidate Trump.[6] President Trump and many Republicans have falsely claimed the Steele dossier was used to start the investigation.[18] But in fact the July 2016 launch of the FBI investigation was triggered, not by the dossier, but by a report that Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos knew, before it became public knowledge, that the Russians possessed damaging information about Hillary Clinton in the form of "thousands" of stolen emails.[19] This origin of the probe is confirmed in the Nunes memo itself.[20] Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein has stated that as far as he knew, Ohr was not involved with the Russia investigation,[21] and told the House Judiciary Committee that Ohr had "no role" in the investigation.[12] The claim that the origins of the Russia probe were tainted is unsubstantiated.[6] The FBI did not publicly reveal the ongoing investigation into the Trump campaign during the campaign, in part so as not to hurt his electoral chances, contradicting the claim that the probe was an attempt to undermine Trump's candidacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Ohr
 
Oh, good grief! You guys really need some new tin foil hats.

Yes, the Clinton campaign used Fusion GPS for opposition research, after a conservative Never Trump group dropped the original contract with Fusion GPS when it became obvious that Trump would win the Republican nomination. Do you get it? Conservatives originally started this work. A law firm employed by the Clinton campaign, Perkins Coie, picked up the contract. Clinton did not hire Chrstopher Steele, Fusion GPS hired him because he was an expert in the field of Russion covert ops.

BTW, none of Steele's dossier has yet to be disproven, and much of it has been verified. Also, the dossier was not the only source for obtaining the FISA warrant on that idiot, Carter Page. He was already under FBI surveillance beginning in December 2013 due to his association with a known ring of three Russian covert operatives. The FBI already listened in on their conversations and watched their activities. The FISA warrant simply allowed them to tap Page's communications.

Really, there's nothing to see here. Solomon, as usual, is full of ****.
 
"When the annals of mistakes and abuses in the FBI’s Russia investigation are finally written..."

The problem with that sentence is there were no mistakes. This was deliberate.
 
Oh, good grief! You guys really need some new tin foil hats.

Yes, the Clinton campaign used Fusion GPS for opposition research, after a conservative Never Trump group dropped the original contract with Fusion GPS when it became obvious that Trump would win the Republican nomination. Do you get it? Conservatives originally started this work. A law firm employed by the Clinton campaign, Perkins Coie, picked up the contract. Clinton did not hire Chrstopher Steele, Fusion GPS hired him because he was an expert in the field of Russion covert ops.

BTW, none of Steele's dossier has yet to be disproven, and much of it has been verified. Also, the dossier was not the only source for obtaining the FISA warrant on that idiot, Carter Page. He was already under FBI surveillance beginning in December 2013 due to his association with a known ring of three Russian covert operatives. The FBI already listened in on their conversations and watched their activities. The FISA warrant simply allowed them to tap Page's communications.

Really, there's nothing to see here. Solomon, as usual, is full of ****.
You arent that stupid. You dont really believe that Fusion GPS of their own accord without funding funneled to them by the Clinton campaign and the DNC was hired to fabricate that dossier.

You arent that stupid. So why you would say such a stupid thing leaves that you are simple a partisan doing what partisans do.
 
"When the annals of mistakes and abuses in the FBI’s Russia investigation are finally written, Bruce Ohr almost certainly will be the No. 1 witness, according to my sources.

The then-No. 4 Department of Justice (DOJ) official briefed both senior FBI and DOJ officials in summer 2016 about Christopher Steele’s Russia dossier, explicitly cautioning that the British intelligence operative’s work was opposition research connected to Hillary Clinton’s campaign and might be biased.

Ohr’s briefings, in July and August 2016, included the deputy director of the FBI, a top lawyer for then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch and a Justice official who later would become the top deputy to special counsel Robert Mueller".

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...arned-steele-dossier-was-connected-to-clinton

Why does it matter?
From the article ...
“I certainly told the FBI that Fusion GPS was working with, doing opposition research on Donald Trump,” Ohr told congressional investigators, adding that he warned the FBI that Steele expressed bias during their conversations.

“I provided information to the FBI when I thought Christopher Steele was, as I said, desperate that Trump not be elected,” he added. “So, yes, of course I provided that to the FBI.”

When pressed why he would offer that information to the FBI, Ohr answered: “In case there might be any kind of bias or anything like that.” He added later, “So when I provided it to the FBI, I tried to be clear that this is source information, I don’t know how reliable it is. You’re going to have to check it out and be aware.”​
and

And the FBI knew the motive of the client and did not have to speculate: Ohr told agents the Democratic nominee’s campaign was connected to the research designed to harm Trump’s election chances.
Such omissions are, by definition, an abuse of the FISA system.
Don’t take my word for it. Fired FBI Director James Comey acknowledged it himself when he testified last month that the FISA court relies on an honor system, in which the FBI is expected to divulge exculpatory evidence to the judges.
“We certainly consider it our obligation, because of our trust relationship with federal judges, to present evidence that would paint a materially different picture of what we're presenting,” Comey testified on Dec. 7, 2018. “You want to present to the judge reviewing your application a complete picture of the evidence, both its flaws and its strengths.”​


Besides suggesting FBI and DOJ FISA abuse the stories suggest Adam Schiff was telling fibs to the public too.

Here are a couple of other reports on the subject.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/key-doj-officials-mueller-knew-about-dossier
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/br...ier-author-with-justice-department-colleagues

I didn't see any WAPO headlines on the story today.

You won't either!

Disgusting that the public is being shielded from learning about this story.
This has conspiracy to unseat a duly elected president all over it.
 
You arent that stupid. You dont really believe that Fusion GPS of their own accord without funding funneled to them by the Clinton campaign and the DNC was hired to fabricate that dossier.

You arent that stupid. So why you would say such a stupid thing leaves that you are simple a partisan doing what partisans do.

Fabricate? No, that would be gatehter what has been thuse far WHOLLY ACCURATE, information in the dossier.

Rudy getting drunk on TV and admitting collusion last night has y'all pretty scared today I see.:lamo
 
You arent that stupid. You dont really believe that Fusion GPS of their own accord without funding funneled to them by the Clinton campaign and the DNC was hired to fabricate that dossier.

You arent that stupid. So why you would say such a stupid thing leaves that you are simple a partisan doing what partisans do.

There was nothing fabricated in the dossier, and Steele didn't know who the client was. Steele "became desperate that Trump not be elected" in reponse to the information he gained from his contacts that Trump was Putin's catspaw.
 
The information comes straight from Bruce Ohr's sworn testimony!
Reading can be your friend.

It comes as no surprise you responded with something irrelevant.

The OP attempts to reach an "Ah Ha Moment" suggesting a "Nunes-Like" conclusion:

Besides suggesting FBI and DOJ FISA abuse the stories suggest Adam Schiff was telling fibs to the public too.

Evil Bruce Ohr; Evil FBI; Evil DOJ; Evil FISA Court; Evil Schiff... Evil ad nauseam. Viva Chump (the victim)! What do you do to counter this level of Evilness?
 
I see nothing amiss here unless we are NOT talking about the Carter Page FISA warrant. Are we? Because that warrant application indicated the source of the Steele dossier.
Yup. But Republicans are desperate right now so they are falling for anything shiny.
 
Fabricate? No, that would be gatehter what has been thuse far WHOLLY ACCURATE, information in the dossier.

Rudy getting drunk on TV and admitting collusion last night has y'all pretty scared today I see.:lamo
Even Steele has backed off of the reliability of the dossier claims. Regardless...nothing changes the FACT that the DNC through Perkins Coie hired Fusion GPS to hire Steele to fabricate a dossier concocted by foreign agents to both influence the results of the election and to use to attempt to overthrow the results of an election, using known collusion with members of the FBI similarly invested (by their own words) in overthrowing the results of an election.

You apparently havent read my comments on any of this. IF...IF there is collusion ALL PARTIES should be hung from the yardarm. **** them all...and I dont care which side of the political aisle they are from. Thats the difference...I want to see ALL of this bull**** exposed. You are just a blind partisan spewing the typical mindless blind partisan bull****.
 
Oh, good grief! You guys really need some new tin foil hats.

Yes, the Clinton campaign used Fusion GPS for opposition research, after a conservative Never Trump group dropped the original contract with Fusion GPS when it became obvious that Trump would win the Republican nomination. Do you get it? Conservatives originally started this work. A law firm employed by the Clinton campaign, Perkins Coie, picked up the contract. Clinton did not hire Chrstopher Steele, Fusion GPS hired him because he was an expert in the field of Russion covert ops.

BTW, none of Steele's dossier has yet to be disproven, and much of it has been verified. Also, the dossier was not the only source for obtaining the FISA warrant on that idiot, Carter Page. He was already under FBI surveillance beginning in December 2013 due to his association with a known ring of three Russian covert operatives. The FBI already listened in on their conversations and watched their activities. The FISA warrant simply allowed them to tap Page's communications.

Really, there's nothing to see here. Solomon, as usual, is full of ****.

If it was just oppo research-you know, normal stuff-why did Hillary Clinton conceal the FACT that she paid for it? Why launder the money through Perkins Coie?
Further, why use an ex-British spy and get Russia to provide information that could alter an American election and spy on Trump's campaign?
Isn't that exactly what the Left's heads are exploding about now?
 
Even Steele has backed off of the reliability of the dossier claims. Regardless...nothing changes the FACT that the DNC through Perkins Coie hired Fusion GPS to hire Steele to fabricate a dossier concocted by foreign agents to both influence the results of the election and to use to attempt to overthrow the results of an election, using known collusion with members of the FBI similarly invested (by their own words) in overthrowing the results of an election.

You apparently havent read my comments on any of this. IF...IF there is collusion ALL PARTIES should be hung from the yardarm. **** them all...and I dont care which side of the political aisle they are from. Thats the difference...I want to see ALL of this bull**** exposed. You are just a blind partisan spewing the typical mindless blind partisan bull****.

It's like they simply don't want to know about treachery and treason. It's NOT OK to go to Russia and say, "Hey, give me dirt that I can use on an American Presidential candidate, and get a warrant to spy on his campaign".
 
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