First to make it legal: Gays wed in South Africa

[NYStateofMind]

JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (AP) -- Vernon Gibbs and Tony Halls got hitched Friday in South Africa's first same-sex wedding, a day after the government made the marriages legal.

The couple, who run a guest lodge and animal rehabilitation center on the southwestern coast, donned their game-ranger outfits and went down to the local home affairs office in the town of George.

In front of marriage officer Petro Kruger, they exchanged rings and were pronounced a married couple.

"It was so amazing. So quick and easy. I can't believe it. I am so happy," said Gibbs.

South Africa on Thursday became the first country in Africa, and only the fifth in the world, to legalize same-sex marriages, despite opposition from political parties and religious groups.

The Civil Union Act went into effect a day ahead of the December 1 deadline set by the country's Constitutional Court, which required the marriage law be changed to ensure equality for gays and lesbians.

First to make it legal: Gays wed in South Africa - CNN.com

One more step in the right direction.

 

[GarzaUK]

Bravo to South Africa, another advance in progressive thinking, hopefully the US and other European countries will follow suit.

 

[TurtleDude]

wonder if it will have any effect upon the huge AIDS rate in South Africa. If it promotes monogamy among gays it has to be positive

 

[Hatuey]

wonder if it will have any effect upon the huge AIDS rate in South Africa. If it promotes monogamy among gays it has to be positive

AIDS isn't carried by just gays you know. Just though I should tell you.

 

[TurtleDude]

AIDS isn't carried by just gays you know. Just though I should tell you.

I doubt there is anything you could tell me of any value based on the above comment. :roll:

 

[NYStateofMind]

wonder if it will have any effect upon the huge AIDS rate in South Africa. If it promotes monogamy among gays it has to be positive

Your statement makes no logical sense. Why should ability to get married promote monogamy? Usually people get married as a result of being in a monogamous relationship, not the other way around!

 

[tecoyah]

I doubt there is anything you could tell me of any value based on the above comment. :roll:

I dont get it Turtledude, this comment:

" Originally Posted by Hatuey
AIDS isn't carried by just gays you know. Just though I should tell you."

Was completely accurate, as the HIV virus is indeed, transmitted in multiple ways. Claiming someone has nothing to share, based on the above comment actually places yourself into the category you relegated Hatuey into.

Seems a rather childish comment is all.

Anyway....I see no problem with the South African descision, it has no effect on me and mine whatsoever, as I am not Gay, nor do I live in SA. I find it likely many gay South Africans are significantly happier though, and the world needs more happy people.

 

[Hatuey]

I dont get it Turtledude, this comment:

" Originally Posted by Hatuey
AIDS isn't carried by just gays you know. Just though I should tell you."

Was completely accurate, as the HIV virus is indeed, transmitted in multiple ways. Claiming someone has nothing to share, based on the above comment actually places yourself into the category you relegated Hatuey into.

Seems a rather childish comment is all.

Anyway....I see no problem with the South African descision, it has no effect on me and mine whatsoever, as I am not Gay, nor do I live in SA. I find it likely many gay South Africans are significantly happier though, and the world needs more happy people.

Turtle fits into the category that dismiss the fact that nowadays there are more straight people with AIDS then gay people and it's become a Human problem, not a homosexual one. And I bet you he probably blames gay people for AIDS while completely disregarding the fact that when AIDS was discovered in the 1980s(it had been around since the 1960s though and when found it was wrongly named GRID - Gay-Related Immune Defficiency) half of those tested weren't homosexuals.

 

[TurtleDude]

Your statement makes no logical sense. Why should ability to get married promote monogamy? Usually people get married as a result of being in a monogamous relationship, not the other way around!

my mistake, I thought sarcasm was something people on this forum understood:roll:

 

[TurtleDude]

Turtle fits into the category that dismiss the fact that nowadays there are more straight people with AIDS then gay people and it's become a Human problem, not a homosexual one. And I bet you he probably blames gay people for AIDS while completely disregarding the fact that when AIDS was discovered in the 1980s(it had been around since the 1960s though and when found it was wrongly named GRID - Gay-Related Immune Defficiency) half of those tested weren't homosexuals.

you are probably right though its probably hard to tell especially with people who are bisexuals-they probably claim they got it through straight sex rather than face the stigma-especially in societies were being gay is highly frowned on but the fact remains-it was gay practices that caused the aids epidemic to become the scourge on all of mankind

 

[Hatuey]

you are probably right though its probably hard to tell especially with people who are bisexuals-they probably claim they got it through straight sex rather than face the stigma-especially in societies were being gay is highly frowned on

And this is how we explain 38 Million people with AIDS. Bisexuals claiming they got it through heterosexual sex.

the fact remains-it was gay practices that caused the aids epidemic to become the scourge on all of mankind

And these gay practices were? Please dont cite douggirls 1960s study on gay men. It'll just make me laugh.

 

[TurtleDude]

And this is how we explain 38 Million people with AIDS. Bisexuals claiming they got it through heterosexual sex.



And these gay practices were? Please dont cite douggirls 1960s study on gay men. It'll just make me laugh.

massive numbers of sexual partners allowed the aids virus to build up its resistance in humans with compromised immune systems that had been weakened by exposures to hundreds of other individuals pathologies.

why do you think all the first aids patients were gay?

 

[Hatuey]

massive numbers of sexual partners allowed the aids virus to build up its resistance in humans with compromised immune systems that had been weakened by exposures to hundreds of other individuals pathologies.

why do you think all the first aids patients were gay?

And the sexual revolution of the 1960s-70s can only be applied to the gay population. You're ridiculous. People(Hippies) were having sex gay and straight. To claim that the virus built up it's resistance(which is baseless since AIDS attacks your immune system - meaning it attacks the same part of your budy ment to protect ya) in gay people is ridiculous.

The first AIDS patients? Nearly half of the people first diagnosed with AIDS were heterosexual.

 

[TurtleDude]

And the sexual revolution of the 1960s-70s can only be applied to the gay population. You're ridiculous. People(Hippies) were having sex gay and straight. To claim that the virus built up it's resistance(which is baseless since AIDS attacks your immune system - meaning it attacks the same part of your budy ment to protect ya) in gay people is ridiculous.

The first AIDS patients? Nearly half of the people first diagnosed with AIDS were heterosexual.

proof? are you claiming transfusion and IV drug users?

ABC of AIDS: Development of the epidemic -- Adler 322 (7296): 1226 -- BMJ

n North America and the UK the first wave of the epidemic occurred in homosexual men.

 

[Hatuey]

proof? are you claiming transfusion and IV drug users?

ABC of AIDS: Development of the epidemic -- Adler 322 (7296): 1226 -- BMJ

n North America and the UK the first wave of the epidemic occurred in homosexual men.

Proof of what? That AIDS had been around long before people decided to blame it on gays? Here it is :

Wrong. AIDS has been found to have been around in the U.S. atleast since 1969 - it was found on a young man from St.Louis.

BOY'S 1969 DEATH SUGGESTS AIDS INVADED U.S. SEVERAL TIMES - New York Times

Proof that AIDS attacks your immune system? It's in the name you fool

Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome = AIDS

Deffinition : AIDS is a collection of symptoms and and infections in humans resulting from the specific damage to the immune system cause by the human immunodeficiency virus.

AIDS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or Proof that nearly half of those diagnosed with AIDS in the start were straight?

SpringerLink - Journal Article

 

[TurtleDude]

Proof of what? That AIDS had been around long before people decided to blame it on gays? Here it is :

Wrong. AIDS has been found to have been around in the U.S. atleast since 1969 - it was found on a young man from St.Louis.

BOY'S 1969 DEATH SUGGESTS AIDS INVADED U.S. SEVERAL TIMES - New York Times

Proof that AIDS attacks your immune system? It's in the name you fool

Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome = AIDS

Deffinition : AIDS is a collection of symptoms and and infections in humans resulting from the specific damage to the immune system cause by the human immunodeficiency virus.

AIDS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or Proof that nearly half of those diagnosed with AIDS in the start were straight?

SpringerLink - Journal Article

You ought to chill on calling people "fool" since you didn't even read your own articles

He was exhausted, he lost weight, and he was plagued with a severe infection with chlamydia, a bacteria that frequently infects gay men and that is sexually transmitted. His physicians treated him with a battery of antibiotics, but the youth died in 1969 after a bout with bronchial pneumonia, Dr. Drake said. AIDS-Linked Cancer Found

the article noted that the boy had engaged in homosexual activity



that article also noted that early aids may have not been able to sustain itself without multiple sexual contacts

", but that it may have died out for lack of a large, very sexually active population to transmit it, said Dr. Richard Rothenberg, an epidemiologist at the Federal Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta."

the gay lifestyle at the time was very sexually active and engaged in multiple acts of anal intercourse with multiple partners spreading the disease

 

[Hatuey]

He was exhausted, he lost weight, and he was plagued with a severe infection with chlamydia, a bacteria that frequently infects gay men and that is sexually transmitted. His physicians treated him with a battery of antibiotics, but the youth died in 1969 after a bout with bronchial pneumonia, Dr. Drake said. AIDS-Linked Cancer Found

the article noted that the boy had engaged in homosexual activity

Robert R.'s former doctors suspected that he had engaged in homosexual intercourse. But none of the experts had any idea where he could have become infected.

Nope it didnt. It never said wether or not he was gay. Just that the doctors suspected it. Like you suspect gay people are the reason AIDS is so widespread. Big difference between suspecting and actual facts.

that article also noted that early aids may have not been able to sustain itself without multiple sexual contacts

", but that it may have died out for lack of a large, very sexually active population to transmit it, said Dr. Richard Rothenberg, an epidemiologist at the Federal Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta."

the gay lifestyle at the time was very sexually active and engaged in multiple acts of anal intercourse with multiple partners spreading the disease

The sexual revolution refers to a change in sexual morality and sexual behavior throughout the Western world. In general use, the term refers to a later trend of equalizing sexual behavior which occurred primarily during the 1960s and 1970s and remerged during the late-1990s and 2000s, although the term has been used at least since the late 1920s.

The term appeared as early as 1929; the book Is Sex Necessary?, by Thurber & White, has a chapter titled The Sexual Revolution: Being a Rather Complete Survey of the Entire Sexual Scene.

One suggested trigger for the modern revolution was the development of the birth control pill in 1960, which gave women access to easy and reliable contraception. Other data suggests the "revolution" was more directly influenced by the financial independence gained by many women who entered the workforce during and after World War II, making the revolution more about individual equality rather than biological independence. Many people, however, feel that one specific cause can not be selected for this large phenomenon[1].

Yup and lets forget the sexual revolution existed.

 

[TurtleDude]

are you trying to pretend that promiscous gay sex was not the main cause of AIDS in the USA-that boy in question had numerous physical indicators of being a sodomite including anal legions, and various infections that were common in gays.

you seem rather strident about defending what was an unhealthy lifestyle (and that is not gays in general but the promiscous ones.) I also note you aren't old enough to have been around when this first started. I was at lawschool then and every sunday I would read the NYT and every sunday they would report yet another unusual death or two-dancers, designers dying of Pneumonia. It didn't take much effort to realize that those obits were of gay men and that pneumonia normally didn't kill young to early middle aged men. a gay friend from HS died in 1991 from it-his activities took place mainly before people knew what AIDS was

 

[Hatuey]

are you trying to pretend that promiscous gay sex was not the main cause of AIDS in the USA-that boy in question had numerous physical indicators of being a sodomite including anal legions, and various infections that were common in gays.

you seem rather strident about defending what was an unhealthy lifestyle (and that is not gays in general but the promiscous ones.) I also note you aren't old enough to have been around when this first started. I was at lawschool then and every sunday I would read the NYT and every sunday they would report yet another unusual death or two-dancers, designers dying of Pneumonia. It didn't take much effort to realize that those obits were of gay men and that pneumonia normally didn't kill young to early middle aged men. a gay friend from HS died in 1991 from it-his activities took place mainly before people knew what AIDS was

Turtle Dude - to pin down AIDS to one sexual lifestyle is ridiculous. It's like trying to pin the bubonic plague on the Jews. Nothing more then ridiculous assumptions from the same people that'll tell you that you can get aids from touching a gay person.

 

[TurtleDude]

Turtle Dude - to pin down AIDS to one sexual lifestyle is ridiculous. It's like trying to pin the bubonic plague on the Jews. Nothing more then ridiculous assumptions from the same people that'll tell you that you can get aids from touching a gay person.

I think you are protesting too much. Promiscous gay sex was the main cause of the aids epidemic in the USA. IV drug use helped spread it as well but it was the huge number of partners the early vectors of aids had that caused it to spread so rapidly.

saying this is not anti-gay but merely fact. Stop being so defensive

 

[Hatuey]

I think you are protesting too much. Promiscous gay sex was the main cause of the aids epidemic in the USA. IV drug use helped spread it as well but it was the huge number of partners the early vectors of aids had that caused it to spread so rapidly.

saying this is not anti-gay but merely fact. Stop being so defensive

You have yet to provide any facts that dont go against you - like for example did you even bother to look at the chart for the main mode of transmission of AIDS in subsaharan African? And how you've completely disregarded the fact that half of those people who first tested for AIDS were hetero.

 

[Adrian]

Dude! Who the hell cares even if homosexuals did start AIDS? Heterosexuals have had the time-honored pride of being carriers of chlamidia, ghonorea, HPV, syphilis and herpes, to name a few. So can we say that heterosexuals started those scourges? Answer: we probably can. Relevance to anything at all: zero.

 

[Hatuey]

Dude! Who the hell cares even if homosexuals did start AIDS? Heterosexuals have had the time-honored pride of being carriers of chlamidia, ghonorea, HPV, syphilis and herpes, to name a few. So can we say that heterosexuals started those scourges? Answer: we probably can. Relevance to anything at all: zero.

lol you bastard

 

[TurtleDude]

Dude! Who the hell cares even if homosexuals did start AIDS? Heterosexuals have had the time-honored pride of being carriers of chlamidia, ghonorea, HPV, syphilis and herpes, to name a few. So can we say that heterosexuals started those scourges? Answer: we probably can. Relevance to anything at all: zero.

I didn't realize ACT UP talking points were going to show up here.

 

[Adrian]

I didn't realize ACT UP talking points were going to show up here.

Ah, but I did realize that knee-jerk right wing talking points would be used, so that puts me way ahead of you.

I'm not familiar with ACT UP. I guess it must be an organization that makes points you are tired of hearing. Is it inconvenient to you that heterosexuals have experienced STD's since the birth of mankind? Whatever the case, gay marriage will probably have the same impact on AIDS that heterosexual marriage has had on chlamidia, herpes, ghonorea, HPV and syphilis.