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First known armed services religious exemptions to COVID vaccine granted

"Murder" of course, being defined as whatever the leaders of "The _[fill in the blank]_ Church INC." feel like defining it as.
Murder is generally an illegal killing of another human being. Burglar breaks into your home and you kill him, not a murder. You decide that you hate gingers and go on a ginger killing spree then that is murder.
 
Murder is generally an illegal killing of another human being. Burglar breaks into your home and you kill him, not a murder. You decide that you hate gingers and go on a ginger killing spree then that is murder.
Only if those "gingers" are considered, at law, to be "human beings".

It was NOT illegal for a slave owner in the Confederate states to kill one of their own slaves (killing someone else's slave was considered "destruction of private property" and NOT "murder").

For almost 100 years, it was de facto not considered "murder" (in most circumstances) in the former Confederate states for a "White" to kill a "Black" - even though de jure it was (and -some- a "Black" [which one wasn't particularly important to the "White"judges and juries] would be quickly convicted and executed for killing a "White" under the same circumstances).
 
If those two soldiers do not want to comply a discharge should be in order.

Here's the amazing part: They had plenty of vaccinations when they went in. But now it's suddenly a religious thing.
 
Here's the amazing part: They had plenty of vaccinations when they went in. But now it's suddenly a religious thing.
If they hadn't taken the enlistment vaccinations, they would not be in the military (and wouldn't have a paycheque). Now that they won't be out of the military, they can assert their "deeply held religious beliefs" (without losing a paycheque).

For some people, what's written on their pay advice is stronger than what is written in some book.
 
I have read that some are using the excuse that aborted fetal cells were used (somehow) in the development of the vaccine. Whether that is true and whether that upsets their god is debatable, but if one professes to believe that to be true and against their god’s wishes it would appear to be a valid religious objection.
But the Bible does say "Waste not, want not" so the beneficial reuse of the cells would be Christian "God-approved."
 
But the Bible does say "Waste not, want not" so the beneficial reuse of the cells would be Christian "God-approved."
I know that I'm being picky, but The Bible does NOT say "Waste not, want not.".

"Waste not, want not. The less we waste, the less we lack in the future." can be traced back to 1772, and is first cited in the United States in the 1932 'Topper Takes a Trip' by T. Smith.

The 1772 version was "Wise use of one's resources will keep one from poverty."

There is also a 1576 version "Willful waste makes woeful want.".

In any event, I believe that The Bible was written "slightly" prior to 1576.
 
I guess that I misunderstood your target. Obviously you were writing for those to whom nothing is true unless it is in The Bible (or said by Donald John Trump {BBHN}).
 
I guess that I misunderstood your target. Obviously you were writing for those to whom nothing is true unless it is in The Bible (or said by Donald John Trump {BBHN}).
LOL It was a true representation of the traditional Christian view and then you spent your time proving me right.

So....thanks.
 
Some seem so very upset because two marines received exemptions.
Raging over this.......
Coffee time! Take a chill! 😎☕
The "upset" is in reaction to the tens of thousands of avoidable deaths in reaction to extremist campaigns promoting deliberate
ignorance and mendacious sabotage of well meaning people's better judgment. Why do these saboteurs want to drive MDs, RNs, respiratory
therapists, literally to their knees, to early graves, or out of the professions they used to be so committed to before having to care for the dying duped and the antivax extremists?

BYPRIYANKA RUNWAL
PUBLISHED NOVEMBER 19, 2021
"...And one common reason people give for religious exemptions is the link between vaccines and human fetal cells.

It’s true that such cells have been used either in the testing or development and production of COVID-19 vaccines. The cells are grown in a laboratory and were derived from a few elective abortions performed more than three decades ago. These same cell lines are also used to test and advance our understanding of several routine drugs, including acetaminophen, ibuprofen, and aspirin, and they continue to be used for treatment research in diseases such as Alzheimer’s and hypertension.

“So many people don’t realize how important fetal cell lines are to develop life-saving medicines and vaccines that they rely on every day,” says Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease expert at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “Their use in developing COVID-19 vaccines isn’t anything different or special.”..... But doctors worry that some people’s objections may stem in part from misunderstandings of the science. Richard Zimmerman, a family medicine specialist at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine and a part-time physician at Pittsburgh’s East Liberty Family Health Care Center, says that some of his patients have voiced scepticism because they believe the COVID-19 vaccines contain cells from aborted fetuses. This is incorrect.

Here is the history of how fetal cells are used in drug development, where the cells come from, and why it’s been so hard to find alternatives.
...
In the early days, scientists used animal cells. But they later realized that these cells can harbor other undesirable animal viruses, which would then contaminate the vaccine. For instance, an early version of the polio vaccine administered extensively between 1955 and 1963 was produced using monkey cells. But scientists later found out the cells were contaminated with a monkey virus called SV4The other issue was that some human viruses didn’t grow as well in non-human animal cells. So scientists turned to human fetal cells to produce vaccine viruses.
“They were known to rarely contain contaminating viruses,” says cell biologist Leonard Hayflick at the University of California, San Francisco. He created the oldest fetal cell strain, known as WI-38, from an elective abortion in Sweden in the early 1960s. Hayflick knew that human fetal cells, unlike adult human cells, were less likely to contain unwanted viruses..."
 
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