First independent report into Xinjiang genocide allegations claims evidence of Beijing's 'intent to destroy' Uyghur people

[Allan]

China's treatment of Uyghurs ticks the genocide boxes according to an independent report. It's time for the world to get tougher with China on this. It's shameful they think they can get away with this behavior in full view of the world.

Hong Kong (CNN)The Chinese government's alleged actions in Xinjiang have violated every single provision in the United Nations' Genocide Convention, according to an independent report by more than 50 global experts in human rights, war crimes and international law.

The report, released Tuesday by the Newlines Institute for Strategy and Policy think tank in Washington DC, claimed the Chinese government "bears state responsibility for an ongoing genocide against the Uyghur in breach of the (UN) Genocide Convention."

China's state policy includes:

• Government mandated homestays
• Mass internment
• Mass birth prevention policy
• Forcible transfer of Uyghur children to state-run facilities
• Eradication of Uyghur identity, community and domestic life
• Selective targeting of intellectuals and community leaders

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[Logophile]

China's treatment of Uyghurs ticks the genocide boxes according to an independent report. It's time for the world to get tougher with China on this. It's shameful they think they can get away with this behavior in full view of the world.



China's state policy includes:

• Government mandated homestays
• Mass internment
• Mass birth prevention policy
• Forcible transfer of Uyghur children to state-run facilities
• Eradication of Uyghur identity, community and domestic life
• Selective targeting of intellectuals and community leaders

Link

China "gets away with it" because of economic clout. Democracies legitimatize the reprehensible actions of most governments if they are benefiting from an economic and/or political advantage. Biden has done pretty much nothing regarding a Saudi king who was clearly involved in a murder, nor did his predecessor. China is too intertwined with the needs of the west to be held accountable, but I do agree with you. Of course. But for the US to have a viable impact, we need to bring manufacturing home, which means shaping policies to keep production on US soil. Thanks!!

 

[TimPatriot]

China's treatment of Uyghurs ticks the genocide boxes according to an independent report. It's time for the world to get tougher with China on this. It's shameful they think they can get away with this behavior in full view of the world.



China's state policy includes:

• Government mandated homestays
• Mass internment
• Mass birth prevention policy
• Forcible transfer of Uyghur children to state-run facilities
• Eradication of Uyghur identity, community and domestic life
• Selective targeting of intellectuals and community leaders

Absolutely agree. It will be shown that the infiltration of the CCP into our government, our media, our big tech, our universities...it has all contributed to this story being swept under the rug.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

China's treatment of Uyghurs ticks the genocide boxes according to an independent report. It's time for the world to get tougher with China on this. It's shameful they think they can get away with this behavior in full view of the world.



China's state policy includes:

• Government mandated homestays
• Mass internment
• Mass birth prevention policy
• Forcible transfer of Uyghur children to state-run facilities
• Eradication of Uyghur identity, community and domestic life
• Selective targeting of intellectuals and community leaders

Link

I could assess the reliability of that "study" much better if I could find any information (other than self generated) about the Newlines Institute for Strategy and Policy other than that it is funded by Fairfax University of America (formerly Virginia International University [whose license to operate in the Commonwealth of Virginia was under threat of revocation after an audit found rampant grade inflation and severe deficiencies in the academic rigor of VIU's online courses]).

That, of course, is not to say that the "study" MIGHT not be accurate, all it means is that I'm not averse to pouring several yottagrams of NaCl on it.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

China "gets away with it" because of economic clout. Democracies legitimatize the reprehensible actions of most governments if they are benefiting from an economic and/or political advantage. Biden has done pretty much nothing regarding a Saudi king who was clearly involved in a murder, nor did his predecessor. China is too intertwined with the needs of the west to be held accountable, but I do agree with you. Of course. But for the US to have a viable impact, we need to bring manufacturing home, which means shaping policies to keep production on US soil. Thanks!!

Right, and to do that you'd have to ensure that the "foreign goods" did not enjoy an "unfair pricing advantage" to the American ones.

Now pricing is composed (essentially) of three components [1] cost of raw materials (which includes a labour cost component), [2] cost of physical plant construction and operation (which includes a labour cost component), and [3] labour cost.

Absent the labour cost component, the cost of raw materials is pretty constant. Absent the labour cost component, the cost of physical plant construction and operation is pretty constant.

That means that the only real variable is the labour cost component.

IF you cannot reduce the US domestic labour cost component, then you have to exclude the "foreign goods" as they will enjoy an "unfair pricing advantage" if they come from places where the labour cost component is lower than the US domestic labour cost component. This means that the US domestic price will rise with respect to the "average wage".

If you cannot exclude the "foreign goods" that enjoy an "unfair pricing advantage" if they come from places where the labour cost component is lower than the US labour domestic labour cost component, then to make the US domestic product "price competitive" you have to reduce the US labour cost component and THIS means that the US domestic price will rise with respect to the "average wage".

 

[Roadvirus]

China "gets away with it" because of economic clout.

Their economic clout would mean dick if ALL the major players of the world stood up to them.

 

[Allan]

Their economic clout would mean dick if ALL the major players of the world stood up to them.

In what way do you think they should? Sanctions would do a lot of damage to the US economy.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Their economic clout would mean dick if ALL the major players of the world stood up to them.

You do know that the same thing applies to the economic clout of the United States of America, don't you?

 

[cpwill]

China's treatment of Uyghurs ticks the genocide boxes according to an independent report. It's time for the world to get tougher with China on this. It's shameful they think they can get away with this behavior in full view of the world.



China's state policy includes:

• Government mandated homestays
• Mass internment
• Mass birth prevention policy
• Forcible transfer of Uyghur children to state-run facilities
• Eradication of Uyghur identity, community and domestic life
• Selective targeting of intellectuals and community leaders

Link

If any of you have ever wondered what you would have done or said about Germany's treatment of Jews on the 1930s, congratulations! What you are doing now about China, is what you would have done.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

In what way do you think they should? Sanctions would do a lot of damage to the US economy.

Not if you believe the more rabid members of "Claque Failed Casino Operator".

They firmly believe that if the US imposed sanctions on every other country in the world so that their products were no longer competitive in the US, that would cause the US economy to skyrocket due to all of the switches in purchases from "foreign made goods" to "American made goods".

This economic philosophy was first clearly enunciated by Donaldum defecit varius dominus when he said "Si lauandi omni tolles in se est, ergo omnes nos ditari." (If we all take in each other's laundry, then we will all get rich.).

 

[cpwill]

In what way do you think they should? Sanctions would do a lot of damage to the US economy.

There are some things worth more than money. Not financially supporting mass rape and genocide probably is on that list.

 

[Allan]

If any of you have ever wondered what you would have done or said about Germany's treatment of Jews on the 1930s, congratulations! What you are doing now about China, is what you would have done.

Very good point.

 

[Metric Mouse]

You do know that the same thing applies to the economic clout of the United States of America, don't you?

If all the world's powers stood up to the United States and decided to not buy anything from the United States of America, the United States would still have the highest GDP on the planet...

 

[Allan]

If all the world's powers stood up to the United States and decided to not buy anything from the United States of America, the United States would still have the highest GDP on the planet...

Almost 10% of America's goods are exported. That doesn't include American goods produced in other countries that aren't counted as exports - for example cars in Canada, electronics in China and so on. But even including that I think you're probably right.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Almost 10% of America's goods are exported. That doesn't include American goods produced in other countries that aren't counted as exports - for example cars in Canada, electronics in China and so on. But even including that I think you're probably right.

The United States is the country LEAST dependent on trade as a percent of its gdp, save like Sudan and Nigeria. So even if the United States GDP shrank 10%, we would still lead the globe, by a massive margin. Even if imports were cut off for some reason (silly, as we are the largest consumer market on the planet, but just in case other countries wanted to commit economic suicide) the United States would STILL have a larger economy than any other country on the globe.

It's incredibly comforting to know that.

 

[Surrealistik]

China's treatment of Uyghurs ticks the genocide boxes according to an independent report. It's time for the world to get tougher with China on this. It's shameful they think they can get away with this behavior in full view of the world.



China's state policy includes:

• Government mandated homestays
• Mass internment
• Mass birth prevention policy
• Forcible transfer of Uyghur children to state-run facilities
• Eradication of Uyghur identity, community and domestic life
• Selective targeting of intellectuals and community leaders

Link

Disgusting, reprehensible, and frankly well known, even before the issuance of this report. China should have been held to account for its many inexcusable crimes against humanity and its own people long ago.

The West needs to band together in tandem to punish and contain this amoral, repugnant and depraved totalitarian regime before it grows too powerful and influential to be stopped.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

If all the world's powers stood up to the United States and decided to not buy anything from the United States of America, the United States would still have the highest GDP on the planet...

Really? You mean that all of those things that the US exports (around 11.7+% of the US GDP) would continue to be manufactured and sold? You mean that all of those things that the US imports (around 15.5+% of the US GDP) would suddenly be produced from US sources? You mean that all of those "service industry sector" jobs that are dependent on either imports or exports would continue to exist?

If Canada and Russia stopped selling Potash to the US, what would happen to the US farming sector of the economy?

 

[Metric Mouse]

Really? You mean that all of those things that the US exports (around 11.7+% of the US GDP) would continue to be manufactured and sold? You mean that all of those things that the US imports (around 15.5+% of the US GDP) would suddenly be produced from US sources? You mean that all of those "service industry sector" jobs that are dependent on either imports or exports would continue to exist?

If Canada and Russia stopped selling Potash to the US, what would happen to the US farming sector of the economy?

Nope, all those things would stop. (Obviously there would be some substitutions, but this is hypothetical of magical cut off of all exports)

But the United States would still have the world's largest economy.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Nope, all those things would stop. (Obviously there would be some substitutions, but this is hypothetical of magical cut off of all exports)

But the United States would still have the world's largest economy.

I repeat

If Canada and Russia stopped selling Potash to the US, what would happen to the US farming sector of the economy?​

 

[Metric Mouse]

I repeat

​

If Canada and Russia stopped selling Potash to the US, what would happen to the US farming sector of the economy?​

The United States would still have the largest economy on the planet. And Russia and China's gdp would shrink in proportion to their lost pot ash sales, of course.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The United States would still have the largest economy on the planet. And Russia and China's gdp would shrink in proportion to their lost pot ash sales, of course.

Did you realize that over 85% of the fertilizer used in American agriculture is imported AND that the US does NOT have a sufficient domestic source to replace it?

Did you know that American agriculture is almost totally dependent on an uninterrupted supply of fertilizer.

How big do you think the US economy would be if there were food riots and starvation?

BTW, did you know that many countries other than the United States of America would be more than willing to purchase Canadian and Russian potash?

 

[JANFU]

In what way do you think they should? Sanctions would do a lot of damage to the US economy.

Start on their textile industry- increased each year- 25- 40 -50. Kills millions of jobs as large western companies will be pressured on auditing their supply stream
These jobs would end up in other Asian countries and spur their own economic growth
Start the removal of China as a developing country under the WTO

Biden added more restrictions on tech exports today- this will hinder the Chinese

EU-China trade deal IMHO will not pass the EU Parliament

The actions of Chinese Genocide has angered the western world

Many countries have a host of issues with China, but this Genocide ties it closer for acting in concert

 

[Metric Mouse]

Did you realize that over 85% of the fertilizer used in American agriculture is imported AND that the US does NOT have a sufficient domestic source to replace it?

Did you know that American agriculture is almost totally dependent on an uninterrupted supply of fertilizer.

How big do you think the US economy would be if there were food riots and starvation?

BTW, did you know that many countries other than the United States of America would be more than willing to purchase Canadian and Russian potash?

Would they be willing? At the same price the United States buys it? Why are they not selling it to them now?

Why would there be starvation and riots? Over 20 percent of the calories grown in the United States are exported. A hit in production from fertilizer loses would be offset by zero food exports, increased domestic fertilizer production ( though no nearly equal to the the direct potash loses from imports, of course) and increased farmed acres, if even needed. After a season of adjustment things would stabilize. No starving, no riots.

And again, that's only if imports stopped; why would countries stop selling goods to the United States, even if they stopped buying all goods from the United States?

Of course many of the countries that rely on calorie imports from the United States would starve, but that is a self correcting situation as well.

Oh, and the United States would still have the world's largest economy.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Would they be willing? At the same price the United States buys it? Why are they not selling it to them now?

Yes they would be willing. I rather suspect that they would be willing to pay market price. Two main reasons, the first is that it is cheaper to ship it to the US than it is to ship it anyplace else.

Why would there be starvation and riots? Over 20 percent of the calories grown in the United States are exported.

If production dropped 50%, that 20% wouldn't go very far - would it?

A hit in production from fertilizer loses would be offset by zero food exports, increased domestic fertilizer production ( though no nearly equal to the the direct potash loses from imports, of course) and increased farmed acres, if even needed.

See above. As before the US does not have the facilities to produce enough fertilizer to replace the amount imported.

After a season of adjustment things would stabilize. No starving, no riots.

The "agriculture season" is 12 months long. However, I do agree that after 10 months of food shortages and starvation, things would stabilize and there would be "No starving, no riots".

And again, that's only if imports stopped; why would countries stop selling goods to the United States, even if they stopped buying all goods from the United States?

Now you have me confused. First you have the US ceasing to import anything and then you have countries selling goods to the US. What are those countries going to do with the goods that they sell to the US - warehouse them?

Of course many of the countries that rely on calorie imports from the United States would starve, but that is a self correcting situation as well.

Indeed, and the US government would instantly become the most beloved government in the world for those countries that the US is no longer selling food to.

Oh, and the United States would still have the world's largest economy.

Now you are flailing.

 

[RAMOSS]

I do not think that that 'think tank' has enough of a track record to accept anything it says without further investigation. It's part of a small private college , and was only established in 2019. That being said, the claims it makes fits the other claims I have heard, from even before the time of Trump, covid 19 and 'china flu'.

I give it a reasonable chance of being correct, but I don't know if that is because it fits propaganda that I have heard before, or f there is something actually to it. It does fit a political agenda quite well , but it also is a pattern that has been repeated in China against any outside of the state party organization (Falun Gong anyone??)