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Finally! Mom tased for not wearing a mask

The contrast between allowing cities to burn by refusing to enforce the law, but some mom at a game socially distanced by a mile is beatdown like a dog. Weird times
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
You keep repeating this, and it's still entirely irrelevant. It does not matter who made up the rule, if the rule was written down, or what the statewide order says.
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In the pro dictator side it does. you plebs were told to do this and if you don't you should be arrested maybe even executed for not obeying the Party Master.

Reminds me of the extermination of the descenders in Syria.
 
PeteEU said:
She was lucky...being white has its benefits.

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She was privileged to be treated so gently, that's for sure.
 
Napoleon said:
I don’t see anyone asking her to leave before the rent-a-cop laid hands on her.
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Rent a cop? I thought you supported Blue lives, not insult them.
 
VySky said:
The contrast between allowing cities to burn by refusing to enforce the law, but some mom at a game socially distanced by a mile is beatdown like a dog. Weird times
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Any amount of brutality against someone who does not tow the party line is permissible. In fact we should encourage children to out their parents if they disagree or descent from the regime.

We don't have to worry about what happens when we become a dictatorship. Some places in the United States we're already there.
 
noonereal said:
Cops handled this one perfectly. Much respect.

www.nydailynews.com

SEE IT: Police use Taser on woman for refusing to wear mask at Ohio football game

A mom at an eighth-grade football game in Ohio was tased and arrested Wednesday after she refused to wear a protective face mask in the stands, according to a local report and video of the incident…
www.nydailynews.com www.nydailynews.com
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A guest on NPR the other day commented that: "Wearing a mask is an IQ test". It's such a simple thing to do that has the potential for such great results. Following our IDIOT president's bad example proves that point.
 
Mr Person said:
That's not how trespass law works.

If it says on the ticket that you have to wear a mask to enter the premises or on a sign, or something like that, then if you don't wear a mask you are trespassing. I'm not doing a bunch of legal research to verify the boundaries in Ohio, but generally speaking, pre-emptive warnings as to persons who are not allowed to enter count.

Moreover, you don't know he didn't ask her to wear a mask or leave. He's not the one shouting. She is. You can see him talking to her too softly for the phone to pick up. And there was obviously more before, which caused the person to start recording this. I'd say it's almost certain that on top of whatever other warnings might have been on signs, on tickets, on public orders, he asked her to wear one or leave on top.
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That is precisely how the police department described it. He advised her she needed to put on a mask OR leave. She refused to do either. He informed she was trespassing and TO leave. She refused. He tried to escort her out, she refused. He then moved to arrest her. She resisted. Her mother(?)/friend is also charged with interference. She was an obnoxious bitch, and is lucky she was only tased. She'll get a fine and a bar letter. She was released at the scene.
 
Fledermaus said:
Schools can and do trespass people all the time.

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If you cite her and leave her there you still haven't fixed the problem of trespassing. She is still doing it.

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She then decided to resist arrest.
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I realize this, but as @Rawley has pointed out several times, the reason she's deemed a trespasser is due to her refusal to wear a mask, and this fact is relevant.

Now... I'm not defending her flouting the law, but when dealing with a scofflaw, one must consider: i) the magnitude of the response with respect to the magnitude of the crime, ii) the scofflaw's mens rea (i.e. whether they believe they're doing anything wrong), and iii) the public perception of the response and the public perception of the validity of the law being transgressed.

I'm sure you're aware that a great many people consider masking laws to be not only unnecessary but a gross violation of civil liberty. Whether we agree with this assessment is irrelevant. It's both extant and intransigent.

I can't rightly think of what would enrage this group (of well over a hundred million people) more than footage of a woman--in the act of resisting a law they despise--being provoked from a non-disruptive state to a disruptive state and then violently subdued on account of her disruptive state.

...Except possibly a gaggle of progressives on a message board cheering as she gets her beatdown. But I digress.

I really don't think the authorities should have escalated this case to the point of forcibly ejecting her unless this wasn't her first infraction. A fine would suffice for a first infraction, and then let her stay until the end of the game to preserve her dignity. Provoking her makes them look brutal and contemptuous, even if she's largely responsible for the escalation.
 
Ikari said:
Well it's a white woman in this case. If this were a black man they'd all be saying "shouldn't have resisted arrest".
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At his funeral...
 
Decypher said:
Yep. Black people disobey an officer, shooting is totally justified. White person disobeys an officer & gets tased, omg that cop should be fired and jailed.
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It doesn't help if the cop is black.
 
noonereal said:
No she was not. This is what Trumpism has done. We no longer debate fact, Trumpets claim alternative facts!
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I can't wait to be rid of this awful cult and restore civilization.
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Would that it were so. They are with us no matter what.
 
NWRatCon said:
That is precisely how the police department described it. He advised her she needed to put on a mask OR leave. She refused to do either. He informed she was trespassing and TO leave. She refused. He tried to escort her out, she refused. He then moved to arrest her. She resisted. Her mother(?)/friend is also charged with interference. She was an obnoxious bitch, and is lucky she was only tased. She'll get a fine and a bar letter. She was released at the scene.
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And again, you’d support these exact same actions if it’s protesters that won’t leave property they’re told to leave, right?
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
No, but it is a little weird that you won't let that particular fantasy go.
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No more a fantasy than your imaginary rule, that doesn't have to written down, doesn't have to be a policy, can be dreamed up ad hoc, right.
 
Rawley said:
No more a fantasy than your imaginary rule, that doesn't have to written down, doesn't have to be a policy, can be dreamed up ad hoc, right.
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I already posted the statute. It is very clear on what is required for a charge of trespassing, and violating a "rule" is not one of them.
 
COTO said:
I realize this, but as @Rawley has pointed out several times, the reason she's deemed a trespasser is due to her refusal to wear a mask, and this fact is relevant.

Now... I'm not defending her flouting the law, but when dealing with a scofflaw, one must consider: i) the magnitude of the response with respect to the magnitude of the crime, ii) the scofflaw's mens rea (i.e. whether they believe they're doing anything wrong), and iii) the public perception of the response and the public perception of the validity of the law being transgressed.

I'm sure you're aware that a great many people consider masking laws to be not only unnecessary but a gross violation of civil liberty. Whether we agree with this assessment is irrelevant. It's both extant and intransigent.

I can't rightly think of what would enrage this group (of well over a hundred million people) more than footage of a woman--in the act of resisting a law they despise--being provoked from a non-disruptive state to a disruptive state and then violently subdued on account of her disruptive state.

...Except possibly a gaggle of progressives on a message board cheering as she gets her beatdown. But I digress.

I really don't think the authorities should have escalated this case to the point of forcibly ejecting her unless this wasn't her first infraction. A fine would suffice for a first infraction, and then let her stay until the end of the game to preserve her dignity. Provoking her makes them look brutal and contemptuous, even if she's largely responsible for the escalation.
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Her refusal to wear a mask is stupid, childish, idiotic.

Her refusal to leave when trespassed is what led to the tasing and arrest.

What is the correct course of action when dealing with a trespasser?

REMOVE THEM.

What is the correct course of action when one resists?

ARREST THEM.

What is the correct course of action when one resists arrest?

Hmmmmmm

The entire incident was Karen's making.

A large number of people consider Driver license, registration and insurance laws to be not only unnecessary but a gross violation of civil liberty. Whether we agree with this assessment is irrelevant. It's both extant and intransigent.

Do we allow them on their merry way?

No.

I am reminded of a quote....

"What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some (wo)men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way (s)he wants it. . . well, (s)he gets it. I don't like it any more than you...."
 
noonereal said:
they held outdoor trials/courts for the people who refused to wear them.
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All those NO SPITTING signs we see in major cities, that's from the 1918 pandemic.
The term "slacker" is a 1918 term to denote people who wore their masks down around their chin or refused to wear one altogether.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Any amount of brutality against someone who does not tow the party line is permissible. In fact we should encourage children to out their parents if they disagree or descent from the regime.

We don't have to worry about what happens when we become a dictatorship. Some places in the United States we're already there.
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Is this defense of someone's right to remain when trespassed or is it the right to resist arrest?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
All those NO SPITTING signs we see in major cities, that's from the 1918 pandemic.
The term "slacker" is a 1918 term to denote people who wore their masks down around their chin or refused to wear one altogether.
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And Slacktivist should refer to protesters not wearing masks...

Right?

:)
 
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