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[DivineComedy]

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/incompetent
“2 : inadequate to or unsuitable for a particular purpose
3 a : lacking the qualities needed for effective action b : unable to function properly”

Yes I have seen Caine in action right here, and have all the basis I need for calling him incompetent!

I created the scenario to test his ability to function as a police officer:

“The police chasing a suspect that jumped my fence did not make an attempt to awaken all the members of the house by knocking on the door before searching the backyard, I surprised them when I heard the commotion and got a gun in my face.” (DivineComedy)

The police officer Caine responded to the police training scenario:

“If I were that officer I would do the same thing. Why? I would rather stick a gun in some guy's face and find out he is NOT the suspect I was looking for, than to wait to identify this person and it end up being the suspect who just shot my head into pieces.” (Caine)

His mindset is wrong, it should be to “serve and protect” the public, not himself! By violating gun safety 101 in sticking “a gun in some guy's face,” before waiting “to identify this person” incompetent officer Caine only “served and protected” himself…and his unit...the military mindset is now not surprising.

The amount of time it takes for him to bring the weapon from a safe direction to the “identified” target is not an unreasonable amount of time to ask for when he is in someone else‘s backyard or home. That takes training, to develop such a mindset, which he obviously lacks.

Tell him to get proper training, or to go get another job like an uncle of mine did at car dealership when he discovered he had the wrong police mindset, otherwise he should be FIRED; some nice guy will live longer!

I don’t blame a police officer for shooting some stranger that points a gun at them, as pointing the gun at someone’s face does show someone’s intent or “state of mind!”

There is nothing else to debate, I have said my side, and it is a simple issue, your side has the last word on the subject.

 

[Navy Pride]

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/incompetent
“2 : inadequate to or unsuitable for a particular purpose
3 a : lacking the qualities needed for effective action b : unable to function properly”

Yes I have seen Caine in action right here, and have all the basis I need for calling him incompetent!

I created the scenario to test his ability to function as a police officer:

“The police chasing a suspect that jumped my fence did not make an attempt to awaken all the members of the house by knocking on the door before searching the backyard, I surprised them when I heard the commotion and got a gun in my face.” (DivineComedy)

The police officer Caine responded to the police training scenario:

“If I were that officer I would do the same thing. Why? I would rather stick a gun in some guy's face and find out he is NOT the suspect I was looking for, than to wait to identify this person and it end up being the suspect who just shot my head into pieces.” (Caine)

His mindset is wrong, it should be to “serve and protect” the public, not himself! By violating gun safety 101 in sticking “a gun in some guy's face,” before waiting “to identify this person” incompetent officer Caine only “served and protected” himself…and his unit...the military mindset is now not surprising.

The amount of time it takes for him to bring the weapon from a safe direction to the “identified” target is not an unreasonable amount of time to ask for when he is in someone else‘s backyard or home. That takes training, to develop such a mindset, which he obviously lacks.

Tell him to get proper training, or to go get another job like an uncle of mine did at car dealership when he discovered he had the wrong police mindset, otherwise he should be FIRED; some nice guy will live longer!

I don’t blame a police officer for shooting some stranger that points a gun at them, as pointing the gun at someone’s face does show someone’s intent or “state of mind!”

There is nothing else to debate, I have said my side, and it is a simple issue, your side has the last word on the subject.

I hope you change your mind and stick around my friend.........As far as Caine goes he has professed he is an Iraq war hero and a police officer when in reality I doubt he is either.......

 

[Stace]

I hope you change your mind and stick around my friend.........As far as Caine goes he has professed he is an Iraq war hero and a police officer when in reality I doubt he is either.......

Oh really, NP? I've offered to post pictures for you. What would you like to see? I'll make a special page on my website just for you.

This is pretty low. He certainly doesn't go around saying he doesn't believe that you were really in the Navy, does he? How dare you question his service record? And how dare you question MY integrity as well? I think I've just lost any small amount of respect for you that I may have had left.

 

[Navy Pride]

Oh really, NP? I've offered to post pictures for you. What would you like to see? I'll make a special page on my website just for you.

This is pretty low. He certainly doesn't go around saying he doesn't believe that you were really in the Navy, does he? How dare you question his service record? And how dare you question MY integrity as well? I think I've just lost any small amount of respect for you that I may have had left.

I personally don't care what either of you believe about me......It bothers you and Caine about my doubts but as far as your doubts about my 21 years service in the military I could care less....

I am not saying for sure he did not serve or is not a police officer there but as with Divine Comedy and many others we have our doubts about the things he claims to have done..............

 

[Stace]

I personally don't care what either of you believe about me......It bothers you and Caine about my doubts but as far as your doubts about my 21 years service in the military I could care less....

I am not saying for sure he did not serve or is not a police officer there but as with Divine Comedy and many others we have our doubts about the things he claims to have done..............

And who the hell do you think you are to doubt him, or me? I don't take people questioning my integrity very lightly, NP. I've offered to show you anything you want to see, and you have yet to take me up on that offer. So what's the problem, NP? Scared to be proven wrong? Yourself, DivineComedy, and TOT are the only ones I've seen that have questioned Caine's service. I'd hardly say that three of you make up "many" here. So where's the rest?

Then again, I have this nagging feeling that if we weren't liberal, you wouldn't have any doubts at all. Sad, really. You, especially. Some veteran you are, to question another veteran like that.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I hope you change your mind and stick around my friend.........As far as Caine goes he has professed he is an Iraq war hero and a police officer when in reality I doubt he is either.......

It takes a lot of ineptitude to attack someone who fought in Iraq and now serves all of us as a policeofficer.

Considering the source I am not surprised. You "claim" to have served in the Navy so how can you doubt the validity of a brother in arms? It shows me that your opinions of someone are based on a warped view of the world and not reality, but we've known that for a long time, haven't we?

You have the balls to question his record but if anyone were to do that to you how would you react? :doh

 

[26 X World Champs]

Then again, I have this nagging feeling that if we weren't liberal, you wouldn't have any doubts at all. Sad, really. You, especially. Some veteran you are, to question another veteran like that.

:werd
You got that right! As much as I dislike NP's posts I do not question his service record, in fact, I honor him for it. It's everything he posts here that I find repugnant, biased and lacking an educated viewpoint and his latest attack of Caine is further proof of who he really is.

 

[Stace]

You have the balls to question his record but if anyone were to do that to you how would you react? :doh

Supposedly, he doesn't care.....and ya know, maybe he really doesn't. And if Caine weren't my husband, I probably wouldn't be quite so pissed off that he was questioning his service. However, since Caine IS my husband, NP is also questioning MY integrity, and that's a no go as far as I'm concerned. Especially now that he's also questioning MY service.

What I find quite curious is, he won't say what it is that makes him doubt our service, which further roots my suspicion that it's merely because we're on the opposite side of the political fence. He also won't take me up on my offer to show proof. I've offered to scan in any pictures and/or documents he would want to see, we've got nothing to hide, but I truly think he's scared of being proven wrong, though I'm sure he'd come up with some lame excuse, like I forged the documents, or somehow doctored the photos. :roll:

 

[Navy Pride]

What?

No what ****ing reason do you have to question either his military service or his profession? Please, do you have ANY ****ing reason to not believe him?

You know what, I doubt you ever served in the military. Not only that, I bet you're a draft dodger. Your country called on you to serve, and you tucked your tail between your legs and ran off to Canada to sit around like a ****ing pansy as your brethren fought and died to protect this country.

I mean, this is ****ing ridiculous

I question it by his total attitude but you know what Gal I could give a flying **** less whether you or any of you left wing whacko friends think about my military service...........Unlike caine and stace I am extremely proud of my 21 years service to my country and don't have to defend it to anyone..........

 

[Stace]

I question it by his total attitude but you know what Gal I could give a flying **** less whether you or any of you left wing whacko friends think about my military service...........Unlike caine and stace I am extremely proud of my 21 years service to my country and don't have to defend it to anyone..........

What the **** ever. If we weren't proud of our service, you'd never even know that we served. If we weren't proud of our service, we wouldn't feel a need to defend it. You're nothing but a bitter old man and I feel immensely sorry for you. Do you truly have nothing better to do with your life than to sit there and question your fellow veterans simply because they're liberal?

His total attitude, my ***. You question us merely because we're not conservative. Might as well admit it, 'cause it's blatantly obvious. I suppose next you'll tell me that my brother hasn't really been in the Navy for the past 10 years, too. Or that our grandfathers aren't really Korean War vets.

 

[Stace]

OMG Galen, you had me laughing so hard I was crying. Especially that old coot bit....made me think of the "Old Coot-Off" they had on The Daily Show about 6 months ago.....tried to find a video link for ya, but they don't have the clip on their website anymore...

 

[26 X World Champs]

Man, you can say what you will, but I see right through your charade. You're a ****ing pinko commie draft dodger who just tries to make up for it by pretending online like you're a patriotic veteran just so, for the time that you're online, you can hide from the harsh reality that you're just a ****ing coward.

You question his attitude? You question his politics you lying sack of ****. And that is mighty ****ed up. You claim that you support the military, while you don't give a flying **** about the military, you only care about your retarded politics. If the republicans benefitted from every troop getting killed, you'd sacrifice them all because you are a soulless douchebag.

I've tried being nice to you, man. I've tried to tell myself "He's an old dude, I'll cut him some slack, I won't point out all of the huge logistical errors that go into the formation of his retarded political ideals, cause whatever, live and let live." But dude, you've proven to me that it's not you seem like an asshole because you just haven't caught up with the times (which is what I was assuming, and why the hell should old people have to catch up with the times?), no, you've shown to me that you seem like an asshole because you are an asshole. You're just an old bigoted coot who doesn't have a single redeeming quality.

So yeah, **** you

Wow! Who knew you could restrain yourself like you have for so long! Hell I got suspended for 3 months for calling out Navy on a daily basis. I did so because he is advertised, a prejudiced, bigoted, ignorant, uneducated old fart who bases all of his decisions on what he hears on the radio or Fox News Channel.

This is fun...it's good to express one's feelings...

 

[talloulou]

“The police chasing a suspect that jumped my fence did not make an attempt to awaken all the members of the house by knocking on the door before searching the backyard, I surprised them when I heard the commotion and got a gun in my face.” (DivineComedy)

That must have freaked you out! But clearly you couldv'e been the one they were chasing right? I imagine that happens alot.

The police officer Caine responded to the police training scenario:

“If I were that officer I would do the same thing. Why? I would rather stick a gun in some guy's face and find out he is NOT the suspect I was looking for, than to wait to identify this person and it end up being the suspect who just shot my head into pieces.” (Caine)

Sounds quite reasonable to me.

His mindset is wrong, it should be to “serve and protect” the public, not himself!

Are you freaking kidding me? Just what kind of cop do you think is gonna give a ratsassss about protecting you if they don't give a ***** about themselves?

By violating gun safety 101 in sticking “a gun in some guy's face,” before waiting “to identify this person” incompetent officer Caine only “served and protected” himself…and his unit...the military mindset is now not surprising.

Do what I do. The next time you hear a commotion outside check and make sure your doors are locked and then just peek out the window....that way you won't get in any cops way! Lucky for you that you ran in to a cop vs the guy the cops were chasing....that situation potentially couldv'e ended alot worse.

The amount of time it takes for him to bring the weapon from a safe direction to the “identified” target is not an unreasonable amount of time to ask for when he is in someone else‘s backyard or home. That takes training, to develop such a mindset, which he obviously lacks.

Was it at night? Was it dark? Did the cop even have a great description of the person he was chasing? Were you holding something in your hand? Do you really expect a pleasant conversation? If the cop even thinks you might be the suspect why should he believe a word that comes out of your mouth? That gun in your face was to scare you into doing what you were told. Which clearly it did. It was also to give the cop the upperhand so he could assess the situation. Clearly it did.

Sorry it freaked you out though....I probably would've been scared *****less too.

 

[Navy Pride]

Man, you can say what you will, but I see right through your charade. You're a ****ing pinko commie draft dodger who just tries to make up for it by pretending online like you're a patriotic veteran just so, for the time that you're online, you can hide from the harsh reality that you're just a ****ing coward.

You question his attitude? You question his politics you lying sack of ****. And that is mighty ****ed up. You claim that you support the military, while you don't give a flying **** about the military, you only care about your retarded politics. If the republicans benefitted from every troop getting killed, you'd sacrifice them all because you are a soulless douchebag.

I've tried being nice to you, man. I've tried to tell myself "He's an old dude, I'll cut him some slack, I won't point out all of the huge logistical errors that go into the formation of his retarded political ideals, cause whatever, live and let live." But dude, you've proven to me that it's not you seem like an asshole because you just haven't caught up with the times (which is what I was assuming, and why the hell should old people have to catch up with the times?), no, you've shown to me that you seem like an asshole because you are an asshole. You're just an old bigoted coot who doesn't have a single redeeming quality.

So yeah, **** you

Roll on the floor laugh my ****ing *** off.......:rofl

 

[Navy Pride]

I'd be careful, ya might break a hip

I thought we were buds gal......

 

[Gardener]

Having read through all these postings here, I find my curiosity piqued.

I mean, how old IS N.P.?

Here, I've been thinking he was kinda young.

 

[Stace]

Having read through all these postings here, I find my curiosity piqued.

I mean, how old IS N.P.?

Here, I've been thinking he was kinda young.

I don't know exactly how old he is, but he claims to have been a small child during WWII.....

 

[Navy Pride]

Man, we were, but this **** crosses the line

Here's my position. I thought you were an old dude who was just set in his ways. And whatever, I've never met an old dude who wasn't set in his ways at least to a certain degree, and I figure there's not a whole lotta harm in that, I mean, if there's any time to just lay back and say "**** it, to hell with logic, this is what I believe" it's when you're old, right?

This only goes so far. I have a lot of patience when it comes to my much elders, and I have never had more patience for idiocy in an old person than I've had with you. Largely this has been because, despite all of the ridiculous **** that you say, I never questioned your reverence for the military, and it made your stupidity and close mindedness somewhat noble.

And you shattered that today. If you truly had reverence for the military, and really respected the service that our soldiers give us, it wouldn't be conditional on politics. Yet with you it is. That tells me that you don't actually revere the military, you just claim you do because it sounds good, and it allows you to justify your political ideas.

My best friend's dad has served in the army for at least 30 years, and today I realized that in your eyes my best friend's dad's service is meaningless, because he's a liberal. I also realized that my cousin, who's whole life has been centered around someday being a navy pilot, in your eyes the service he will give is meaningless, because he's a liberal.

Like, I'll tolerate your ridiculous ****, and typically I won't even bother pointing out how ridiculous it is, because what difference will it make other than raising an old man's blood pressure a little bit?

And I will tolerate your partisan bigotry, for the exact same reason.

But when the reverence that people deserve for serving in the military is sacrificed for the sake of partisan bigotry, that crosses a mother****in line.

A lot of liberals serve in the military and serve well......I know that for a fact.....When Caine makes statements like its not right to go after Saddam because the murders of the Kurds were over 10 years ago that is just wrong.......We had guys dying over in Iraq to get him and prosecute him.......................That just does not sound like the words of a vet.....

As far as being old goes I have 1 statement...

1. Youth is a wonderful time, to bad its wasted on the young.

You can learn a lot from your elders...never forget that...........

 

[Stace]

A lot of liberals serve in the military and serve well......I know that for a fact.....When Caine makes statements like its not right to go after Saddam because the murders of the Kurds were over 10 years ago that is just wrong.......We had guys dying over in Iraq to get him and prosecute him.......................That just does not sound like the words of a vet.....

As far as being old goes I have 1 statement...

1. Youth is a wonderful time, to bad its wasted on the young.

You can learn a lot from your elders...never forget that...........

Bullshit and you know it. The only reason it's wrong and does not "sound like the words of a vet" is because YOU feel differently. Caine is entitled to his views. Just because it's not what YOU would want a vet to say, that doesn't make it any less valid of an opinion, nor does it invalidate his service.

 

[BodiSatva]

1. Youth is a wonderful time, to bad its wasted on the young.

You can learn a lot from your elders...never forget that...........

I loved being a youth and I am glad I was young when I was a youth otherwise it would not have been my youth, it would have been somthing else...I don't know what though since time is always in motion.

Youth IS being young...not a child and not an adult.

You CAN learn a lot from your elders, just make sure that the elder knows what he is talking about and never say never.

 

[Navy Pride]

Bullshit and you know it. The only reason it's wrong and does not "sound like the words of a vet" is because YOU feel differently. Caine is entitled to his views. Just because it's not what YOU would want a vet to say, that doesn't make it any less valid of an opinion, nor does it invalidate his service.

Any military or vet that defends Saddam is a sorry excuse for a vet......we will just leave it at that..........

 

[Stace]

Any military or vet that defends Saddam is a sorry excuse for a vet......we will just leave it at that..........

Yeah, because Caine's just defending the man left and right.....

Whatever.

I just happen to live with him and all. I've certainly never heard him defend Saddam. Just because you like to twist around what people say to suit your own purposes, that doesn't make it so.

But hey, you just keep right on digging that hole there.

 

[Navy Pride]

Yeah, because Caine's just defending the man left and right.....

Whatever.

I just happen to live with him and all. I've certainly never heard him defend Saddam. Just because you like to twist around what people say to suit your own purposes, that doesn't make it so.

But hey, you just keep right on digging that hole there.

He said something to the effect and I paraphrase that because Saddam gassed Kurds over 10 years ago that it was not a good reason to go after him now............It is in the WMD thread......look it up......

Hey can't your hubby defend himself? Just curious........

 

[Kelzie]

He said something to the effect and I paraphrase that because Saddam gassed Kurds over 10 years ago that it was not a good reason to go after him now............It is in the WMD thread......look it up......

Hey can't your hubby defend himself? Just curious........

I'm guessing it's cause he's at work. As a POLICE MAN, which you have also discredited. People that dishonor the men and women that defend us, both in military and the police are disgusting. Why don't you go live somewhere else Navy, since you obviously don't appreciate the people who fight for you.

 

[BodiSatva]

Caine and Stace? Wow...didn't know that. I will have to be nice to Caine from now on. :2razz:

Unless a Police Officer or Military Person is ABUSING POWER...
They should get all of our respect at all times.

Just like Nurses and Teachers.