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Fentanyl at our border. Up by 30% just in the last 6 months

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Stopping the illegal traffic at the border would help immensely with this problem. Biden has to do something to stop the drug trafficking, the human trafficking and the crime coming into the country across the southern border. He seems to be uncaring. The facts are clear, the enforcement of the border wall and stay in Mexico policies of the previous administration lowered all these numbers. Biden's first month in office saw him unwisely erase these policies and what resulted is an explosion of crime, drugs, human trafficking, illegal border crossings. Now after a year he has reversed some of those policies in a return to Trump policies. We cannot afford a years worth of bad political decisions, aimed at a former President, and then find those Biden decisions are so bad that even Biden has to admit it by his reversal of actions.
Joe claimed he knew how to heal the country, stop covid, deal with congress, deal with our allies and opponents across the world. NOT!
 

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Your characterization of fentanyl trafficking is a little bit simplistic and misleading. According to the DEA there are a number of countries involved and the raw materials and equipment originate from India and China and are generally sent by mail. So there are many players in the distribution network including, you guessed it, Americans.

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Your characterization of fentanyl trafficking is a little bit simplistic and misleading. According to the DEA there are a number of countries involved and the raw materials and equipment originate from India and China and are generally sent by mail. So there are many players in the distribution network including, you guessed it, Americans.

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Sounds like the solution is to ban all Indian and Chinese aliens (plus deport all of them already here) until their governments start cracking down on the fentanyl trade

I would support doing that anyway since there’s no need for more immigrants in America anyway
 

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Sounds like the solution is to ban all Indian and Chinese aliens (plus deport all of them already here) until their governments start cracking down on the fentanyl trade

I would support doing that anyway since there’s no need for more immigrants in America anyway
You'd still have a drug problem.
 

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Stopping the illegal traffic at the border would help immensely with this problem. Biden has to do something to stop the drug trafficking, the human trafficking and the crime coming into the country across the southern border. He seems to be uncaring. The facts are clear, the enforcement of the border wall and stay in Mexico policies of the previous administration lowered all these numbers. Biden's first month in office saw him unwisely erase these policies and what resulted is an explosion of crime, drugs, human trafficking, illegal border crossings. Now after a year he has reversed some of those policies in a return to Trump policies. We cannot afford a years worth of bad political decisions, aimed at a former President, and then find those Biden decisions are so bad that even Biden has to admit it by his reversal of actions.
Joe claimed he knew how to heal the country, stop covid, deal with congress, deal with our allies and opponents across the world. NOT!

The same guy who has been on the wrong side of every issue since the 70's is STILL on the wrong side of everything.

Who could possibly have called that one? ;)
 

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Stopping the illegal traffic at the border would help immensely with this problem. Biden has to do something to stop the drug trafficking, the human trafficking and the crime coming into the country across the southern border. He seems to be uncaring. The facts are clear, the enforcement of the border wall and stay in Mexico policies of the previous administration lowered all these numbers. Biden's first month in office saw him unwisely erase these policies and what resulted is an explosion of crime, drugs, human trafficking, illegal border crossings. Now after a year he has reversed some of those policies in a return to Trump policies. We cannot afford a years worth of bad political decisions, aimed at a former President, and then find those Biden decisions are so bad that even Biden has to admit it by his reversal of actions.
Joe claimed he knew how to heal the country, stop covid, deal with congress, deal with our allies and opponents across the world. NOT!
Stop trying to deny and disparage Individual Liberty. They have a "right to not get vaccinated".
 

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Stopping the illegal traffic at the border would help immensely with this problem. Biden has to do something to stop the drug trafficking, the human trafficking and the crime coming into the country across the southern border. He seems to be uncaring. The facts are clear, the enforcement of the border wall and stay in Mexico policies of the previous administration lowered all these numbers. Biden's first month in office saw him unwisely erase these policies and what resulted is an explosion of crime, drugs, human trafficking, illegal border crossings. Now after a year he has reversed some of those policies in a return to Trump policies. We cannot afford a years worth of bad political decisions, aimed at a former President, and then find those Biden decisions are so bad that even Biden has to admit it by his reversal of actions.
Joe claimed he knew how to heal the country, stop covid, deal with congress, deal with our allies and opponents across the world. NOT!
Companies will hire illegals.

Illegals will come.

Regardless of policy.
 

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Stopping the illegal traffic at the border would help immensely with this problem. Biden has to do something to stop the drug trafficking, the human trafficking and the crime coming into the country across the southern border. He seems to be uncaring. The facts are clear, the enforcement of the border wall and stay in Mexico policies of the previous administration lowered all these numbers. Biden's first month in office saw him unwisely erase these policies and what resulted is an explosion of crime, drugs, human trafficking, illegal border crossings. Now after a year he has reversed some of those policies in a return to Trump policies. We cannot afford a years worth of bad political decisions, aimed at a former President, and then find those Biden decisions are so bad that even Biden has to admit it by his reversal of actions.
Joe claimed he knew how to heal the country, stop covid, deal with congress, deal with our allies and opponents across the world. NOT!

Like jobs attracting the people our hunger for drugs will always attract the drugs and we can burn borrowed money at the border while the cartels have millions in cash ready to do what they can to get it over here.

If the fentanyl has no where to go it's a useless product. But that would entail actually getting to the root cause on why so many Americans are addicted to drugs and actually doing something about it. Easier to get your base riled up when they are on a four day meth bender.
 

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You'd still have a drug problem.
Less of one though.

Stupid leftists always try to say “well if you take action against a social I’ll youll still have it” yeah? So what?

There’s a lie out there that prohibition of alcohol was a failure, actually it’s well proven prohibition reduced alcoholism and liver disease
 

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Like jobs attracting the people our hunger for drugs will always attract the drugs and we can burn borrowed money at the border while the cartels have millions in cash ready to do what they can to get it over here.

If the fentanyl has no where to go it's a useless product. But that would entail actually getting to the root cause on why so many Americans are addicted to drugs and actually doing something about it. Easier to get your base riled up when they are on a four day meth bender.
The three deadliest drugs in America are legal. But it's hard to blame Mexicans for them 😉
 

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The three deadliest drugs in America are legal. But it's hard to blame Mexicans for them 😉

The leftist attitude towards people losing their lives to drugs, smiley faces and approval. As demonstrated by Allan right here
 

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Like jobs attracting the people our hunger for drugs will always attract the drugs and we can burn borrowed money at the border while the cartels have millions in cash ready to do what they can to get it over here.

If the fentanyl has no where to go it's a useless product. But that would entail actually getting to the root cause on why so many Americans are addicted to drugs and actually doing something about it. Easier to get your base riled up when they are on a four day meth bender.
Look, another Leftist apologist for drug trafficking
 

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The leftist attitude towards people losing their lives to drugs, smiley faces and approval. As demonstrated by Allan right here
And your approach to the fentanyl problem that you blame on Mexicans: deport Chinese people.
 

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The three deadliest drugs in America are legal. But it's hard to blame Mexicans for them 😉
Want to help try to convince right-wingers to come up with better capital solutions at lower capital cost simply because we proclaim to subscribe to Capitalism?
 

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Look, another Leftist apologist for drug trafficking

How exactly is trying to get to the root of the problem to solve it being a drug trafficking apologist?

If you think you can shut down the drug trade at the border without effectively addressing people's addictions, that's just wishful thinking.
 

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If confiscations of fentanyl are up 30% at the border, doesn't that mean enforcement is more rigorous rather than less?
 

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Stopping the illegal traffic at the border would help immensely with this problem. Biden has to do something to stop the drug trafficking, the human trafficking and the crime coming into the country across the southern border. He seems to be uncaring. The facts are clear, the enforcement of the border wall and stay in Mexico policies of the previous administration lowered all these numbers. Biden's first month in office saw him unwisely erase these policies and what resulted is an explosion of crime, drugs, human trafficking, illegal border crossings. Now after a year he has reversed some of those policies in a return to Trump policies. We cannot afford a years worth of bad political decisions, aimed at a former President, and then find those Biden decisions are so bad that even Biden has to admit it by his reversal of actions.
Joe claimed he knew how to heal the country, stop covid, deal with congress, deal with our allies and opponents across the world. NOT!
Drugs are being confiscated at the border, hence how its known that there are so much, and you claim Biden needs to do something? The drugs were found, what more can you do? Christ almighty you people post the most assinine bullshit. Trump did nothihng different that Biden, nor Obama, other than talk about a dumb wall and dupe morons into believe he was doing something. In fact, Obama and Biden had better rates of deporations than Bush and Trump.

You people just lie and lie and lie

Oh, and majority of drugs comes through ports, not border, no matter how much ignorant right winger spout Fox news talking points and lie about it
 
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The leftist attitude towards people losing their lives to drugs, smiley faces and approval. As demonstrated by Allan right here

That's rich coming from the guy who thinks Covid deaths are dispensable people (the elderly or inform people) and now wants to act morally superior about drug addicts losing their lives when that's not even what anyone is saying.
 

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How exactly is trying to get to the root of the problem to solve it being a drug trafficking apologist?

If you think you can shut down the drug trade at the border without effectively addressing people's addictions, that's just wishful thinking.
Addressing addiction with education and treatment is the best solution to the problem.

Evidence-based workable solutions however have no place on this thread. This thread is all about bigotry.
 

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Addressing addiction with education and treatment is the best solution to the problem.

Evidence-based workable solutions however have no place on this thread. This thread is all about bigotry.

Yup, the right never wants to address source of problem or be realistic. That's why everything they believe is such bullshit. they call addicts simply losers and they should jsut be put in jail. Can't spend on thing sthat will actually help, like rehabilitation. No, those people are just weak, even though scientific fact addiction has a disease basis, its not simply "oh, they should just stop".

They jsut keep wanting to do the same nonsense that doesn't work. people are never going to stop doing drugs, no matter how much enforcement. Time for a strategy to help with addiction, to educate, to rehabilitate, etc.

But no, conservatives are too simple minded to address any complex issues
 

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Stopping the illegal traffic at the border would help immensely with this problem. Biden has to do something to stop the drug trafficking, the human trafficking and the crime coming into the country across the southern border. He seems to be uncaring. The facts are clear, the enforcement of the border wall and stay in Mexico policies of the previous administration lowered all these numbers. Biden's first month in office saw him unwisely erase these policies and what resulted is an explosion of crime, drugs, human trafficking, illegal border crossings. Now after a year he has reversed some of those policies in a return to Trump policies. We cannot afford a years worth of bad political decisions, aimed at a former President, and then find those Biden decisions are so bad that even Biden has to admit it by his reversal of actions.
Joe claimed he knew how to heal the country, stop covid, deal with congress, deal with our allies and opponents across the world. NOT!
Best move would be to decriminalize drugs and give addicts a safe supply of opioids. By 'give' I mean sell heroin cheaply.
 
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