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It can a tough job at times I'm sure, but someone's gotta do it. You could just as easily (and just as in/validly) declare that no-one in their 'right mind' wants their daughter even working in a strip club or posing for softcore porn, and what point would you be proving?

Kids' (and no doubt some adults') access to hardcore porn can be a problem, as you've highlighted, but short of outlawing the stuff altogether it's hard to imagine it can be solved by blocking their access. If it could, it would've been done already. So most likely, the next best mitigation strategy is education to contextualize what they might end up encountering - and that doesn't mean broadly demonising porn, nor demeaning its participants with assumptions that they must always be desperate or exploited or not in their right mind.

It's a tough call as, I am sure, most parents would want their daughters to grow up to become doctors, engineers, lawyers, artists, nurses, etc. and not porn stars. It's not just because being the female in porn is "icky" either.

We all know a job in porn comes with it high risk for drug addictions and other mental problems that are often life threatening. It also comes with physical problems, after all getting rammed in the butt day in day out leads to all sorts of physical issues. And, therein lies the problem, IMO. It's hazardous duty.
 
Your and my personal opinions of porn aside, there is indeed a problem associated with the stuff, especially with the millions of graphic, often violent, pornographic images now available to anyone with a smartphone. As someone said in one of those smart talks, paraphrasing, "We are not only grooming young men to objectify women, porn also grooms their victims."

Gonzo porn, something which is becoming ever more prevalent, is basically a rape scene with the female actor shown to be enjoying it. So, we get women hammered in the mouth, butt, throat, etc by multiple male actors. At first she is screaming, kicking and otherwise resisting, but then she is shown smiling and "enjoying" the bombardment by male genitalia for the camera once the action gets going. It's pure BS, and it completely distorts reality. I would agree with those saying this stuff promotes rape culture.

Then we have this prevalence of "daddy's girl" like porn. Where stepfathers and real fathers are depicted having sex with their daughters as though it was a normal, every day event. In the talk, the lady said she was told by a child molester during an interview that he did not even have to groom his 13-year-old stepdaughter, the culture did it for him. Think about that for a minute.

Yes - there is a problem related to depicting things like rape, pedophilia, and incest.

That's not porn.

When I say 'porn' I'm referring to legal content between consenting adults all of which are over the age of 18.

Though I think you mean that if you're (general you) cruising for pictures it's hard to tell the difference.

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However. I don't agree that the idea of a woman being in a gang bang or deepthroating is something every woman hates. You're honestly believing that no woman ever enjoys rape fantasies to be role played in the bedroom? (Rape fantasies are the #1 sexual fantasy held by women). You don't think women like bondage and rough sex? That these are only interests because 'society groomed them' to 'pretend they like it'? (If this isn't your true belief on sex between consenting adults in the real world then please clarify)

I've no interest in sex with anyone but my husband, but what he and I do together... well you listed out everything he and I engage in as a 'problem' in general. Yet we're only having sex with each other, no cameras, no money. He's not the one who even introduced half of it into our sex life, a lot of it came from me. I don't ever do anything I don't want to do.

So we do things that involve spanking, object play, edge play, breath play, clamps, extreme anal, deep throat.

For me, my interest in these things really came from just the nature of sex itself. He's very well endowed and for a long time sex with him with any gusto was painful, no matter how much care we took to make it gentle. And after a while my body just began to associate any sort of sex with pain as being a pleasurable trigger. Things went more extreme from there - all because of my psychology and chemistry shifted in response to our actual sex. And thankfully so. I'm glad I changed which allowed sex to be more freely enjoyable for both of us because living in that time of sexual pain (as a negative) and restrain was misery.

In the past, when we first married, the idea of deep throating him was offensive (later just impossible when I did try. I'm good at it now, it's a skill.). Sex in certain positions was a turn off because it was painful. Porn was a put off, as well. I was actually working as a nursery attendant at my father's church when we met. Though I was sexually active as a kid and a teen, I withdrew from a lot of it when I became a mother / adult. I think prude was a good definition for me, sex wise, when we met. I've clearly changed a lot and the only influence I've really had was our sex life.

Only later did I do things like start to write sex stories and watch porn (usually by myself).

And my situation is probably where a lot of other women are when they enjoy such things. It came from the nature of how their bodies felt and handled sex itself, not from society.

Trust me - society (nay, strong-voiced feminist women) actually send me messages of: you shouldn't LIKE these things . . . and yet, I do like them. I like them enough to surround myself in it and defend womens' rights to engage in it, watch, and read it.

Society cannot make you like something that you don't like. You can pretend. You can feel pressured to comply. But that's not the same as needing it or wanting it in your own private sex life. Your belief seems to overlook the true nature of sexual urges and the actual source of such needs and interests as if we as people don't really exists and we're just socially engineered puppets.

A LOT of people who are not into it don't feel they're missing anything. Most women DON'T subject themselves to anything rough or harsh. To use a famous quote: "We're a rare breed."
 
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Yes - there is a problem related to depicting things like rape, pedophilia, and incest.

That's not porn.

When I say 'porn' I'm referring to legal content between consenting adults all of which are over the age of 18.

Though I think you mean that if you're (general you) cruising for pictures it's hard to tell the difference.
Those vids are made by consenting adults. Some of the vids are even adults pretending to be children or daughters or whatever suits the director's fancy and can entice the evermore fickle porn aficionado to give it clicks. Like I said, the big thing now is "daddy does daughter" vids. Obviously the crap gets lots of hits.

However. I don't agree that the idea of a woman being in a gang bang or deepthroating is something every woman hates. You're honestly believing that no woman ever enjoys rape fantasies to be role played in the bedroom? (Rape fantasies are the #1 sexual fantasy held by women). You don't think women like bondage and rough sex? That these are only interests because 'society groomed them' to 'pretend they like it'? (If this isn't your true belief on sex between consenting adults in the real world then please clarify)
Although I am sure some women do enjoy a rough gangbang, triple penetration experience. I am sure that daughters do not love it when their stepfathers teach them about sex by, you know, having sex with them. Are you serious here?

I've no interest in sex with anyone but my husband, but what he and I do together... well you listed out everything he and I engage in as a 'problem' in general. Yet we're only having sex with each other, no cameras, no money. He's not the one who even introduced half of it into our sex life, a lot of it came from me. I don't ever do anything I don't want to do.

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Uh, way TMI. And, not really part of the discussion re: Gonzo Porn.

If some chick likes having a **** rammed down her throat until she pukes, who am I to judge? I just know that it's a pretty twisted thing to see on the video screen. And, I suspect most women would not be all that excited by it. Ditto having a baseball bat rammed up their but until they prolapse. I'm betting most chicks are not really into that. :roll:
 
Yes - there is a problem related to depicting things like rape, pedophilia, and incest.

That's not porn.

If they are over the age of 18 and they all consented to do it, then yeah it's porn, no matter how odd it may seem.
 
It's a tough call as, I am sure, most parents would want their daughters to grow up to become doctors, engineers, lawyers, artists, nurses, etc. and not porn stars. It's not just because being the female in porn is "icky" either.

We all know a job in porn comes with it high risk for drug addictions and other mental problems that are often life threatening. It also comes with physical problems, after all getting rammed in the butt day in day out leads to all sorts of physical issues. And, therein lies the problem, IMO. It's hazardous duty.

Some folk would say we've been getting 'way TMI' about your viewing habits, since you mention it. But you didn't answer my question: What point are you trying to prove here? You want pornography to be illegal? Obviously your initial notion that feminists can't be pro-porn has been blown out of the water, so what are you angling at now?
 
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If they are over the age of 18 and they all consented to do it, then yeah it's porn, no matter how odd it may seem.

I think there's a stark distinction to make, here: When someone is committing a sexual crime and films it - that does not become 'pornography' in a legal definition sense.

Legally acceptable porn concepts: rape role-play / rough sex / pretend incest in which actors simply call each other things like 'daddy' / extreme sex acts that cause pain and other forms of duress (on a mission to create an endorphine high) / pretending to be underaged or dressing underaged.

Illegal concepts: rape / non-consensual coercion / sexual assault / incest between people who are actually related by law / underaged sex.

If someone does any of the later and films it - it's simply filming and distributing a sexual crime. Does not make it porn in the eyes of the law.
 
I think there's a stark distinction to make, here: When someone is committing a sexual crime and films it - that does not become 'pornography' in a legal definition sense.

Legally acceptable porn concepts: rape role-play / rough sex / pretend incest in which actors simply call each other things like 'daddy' / extreme sex acts that cause pain and other forms of duress (on a mission to create an endorphine high) / pretending to be underaged or dressing underaged.

Illegal concepts: rape / non-consensual coercion / sexual assault / incest between people who are actually related by law / underaged sex.

If someone does any of the later and films it - it's simply filming and distributing a sexual crime. Does not make it porn in the eyes of the law.

I agree.
 
lol...you gotta love this. Even in FeministLand, men run everything. No wonder so many sites are pro-porn

You......um....

You do realize that women watch porn, enjoy sex, all that? They're human too, you know.
 
Really? The feminists I know are pretty pro-porn and pro-sex workers in general. A pretty core belief of feminism is women have the right to do what they want with their own bodies.

Seems to me that the most vehement feminist-bashers don't know what feminism is. OR they do know, but deliberately choose to pretend that the most extremist radicals represent all of feminism - a common tactic in the demonization game, sadly.
 
What is the difference between porn and prostitution? If only one gets paid, it's prostitution.

Indeed. It's quite strange that if there's a camera and company involved, it's cool. If there's no camera and no company, it's a crime.
 
What is the difference between porn and prostitution?

If only one gets paid, it's prostitution.

Indeed. It's quite strange that if there's a camera and company involved, it's cool. If there's no camera and no company, it's a crime.


And precisely how many pornography bans have been upheld in 2016, under this 1973 decision, by SCOTUS? And how do those specific cases undermine my point?


Do your own work...
 
And precisely how many pornography bans have been upheld in 2016, under this 1973 decision, by SCOTUS? And how do those specific cases undermine my point?


Do your own work...

Not sure I understand your question. But, the most recent big deal porn bans that were overturned were the so-called Ashcroft Laws.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-795.ZO.html

We consider in this case whether the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 (CPPA), 18 U.S.C. § 2251 et seq., abridges the freedom of speech. The CPPA extends the federal prohibition against child pornography to sexually explicit images that appear to depict minors but were produced without using any real children. The statute prohibits, in specific circumstances, possessing or distributing these images, which may be created by using adults who look like minors or by using computer imaging...

For the reasons we have set forth, the prohibitions of §§2256(8)(B) and 2256(8)(D) are overbroad and unconstitutional. Having reached this conclusion, we need not address respondents’ further contention that the provisions are unconstitutional because of vague statutory language.

The judgment of the Court of Appeals is affirmed.

It is so ordered.
 
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