female students and male students - which grammatical forms would you use?

Rumpelstil · May 23, 2023

English speakers are lucky that they do not have to mention all the time whether one speaks of female students or male students or both.
In German it is like this:

Student = male student - and the generic form - Plural: Studenten
Studentin = female student - Plural: Studentinnen

So you may choose:

Studenten und Studentinnen
or
Studentinnen und Studenten
or
Student/innen
or
Student:innen
or
Student*innen
or
Studentx

I think the meaning is clear. Which version(s) would you prefer?

And: I know that English is the language of this forum.
So you do not have to write anything in German here.
Just click onto the boxes of your wishes.
I think that will be possible.

Rumpelstil · May 23, 2023

There is some more explanation there:

a question about: they or his/her?

a question about: they or his/her? How would you say: Everybody likes his own home. Everybody likes her own home. Everybody likes her/his own home. Everybody likes their own home. All the people like their own homes.

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Rumpelstil · May 23, 2023

2 out of 2 have clicked onto "other"
And so have I

Slartibartfast · May 23, 2023

teacher's minions

Mycroft · May 23, 2023

Rumpel said:
English speakers are lucky that they do not have to mention all the time whether one speaks of female students or male students or both.
In German it is like this:

Student = male student - and the generic form - Plural: Studenten
Studentin = female student - Plural: Studentinnen

So you may choose:

Studenten und Studentinnen
or
Studentinnen und Studenten
or
Student/innen
or
Student:innen
or
Student*innen
or
Studentx

I think the meaning is clear. Which version(s) would you prefer?

And: I know that English is the language of this forum.
So you do not have to write anything in German here.
Just click onto the boxes of your wishes.
I think that will be possible.

I think I'd rather just call them men/women (adult) or boys/girls (minor) and let the context of what I'm saying establish that they are the generic form of students. Makes things much simpler.

But hey, I'm sure if I thought in German all the complications of the German language wouldn't be an issue. Just like thinking in English makes my language's complication not much of an issue for me.

Rumpelstil · May 23, 2023

tacomancer said:
teacher's minions

"Minions" I know from a famous Scottish song:

John McDermott - Lachin Y Gair (Dark Loch Nagar)

"in you let the minions of luxury rove .....

Rumpelstil · May 23, 2023

Mycroft said:
Makes things much simpler.

Same here.
I also prefer simple things.

Rumpelstil · May 23, 2023

Dark Lochnagar again:

Btw: Scottish and German have a lot in common

Rumpelstil · May 23, 2023

Mycroft said:
But hey, I'm sure if I thought in German all the complications of the German language wouldn't be an issue.

They may be.
Sometimes so much that it can even drive a German crazy, if things get politically over-correct.

Rumpelstil · May 23, 2023

I have now found an article in English on this topic:

You may know what a sex star is.
Have you also heard of the "gender star"?

German, like many other languages, genders words. Pupils are taught by a male Lehrer or a female Lehrerin; at a hospital, you might be treated by a male Arzt or a female Ärztin. When speaking in more general terms, however, the masculine plural form of the noun is used to address all: A call for all Bürger — (male) citizens — to follow coronavirus rules is also meant to apply to Germany’s Bürgerinnen.

Proponents of gender-neutral language — who say German needs grammar that explicitly includes women and nonbinary people — have suggested a range of fixes. The best-known solution, dubbed the “gender star,” places an asterisk before the feminine word ending: Bürger*innen.

Debate over gender-neutral language divides Germany

Efforts to create gender-neutral forms have sparked a heated debate.

www.politico.eu

Rumpelstil · May 23, 2023

You are lucky if your language is English - and NOT German!

“If we talk about persons, like people, we only have two options to choose from,” she continued. “We have masculine and the feminine – if you would talk about any kind of professional, in German, if you use one single word – you have to decide whether you’re talking about a male teacher or a female teacher. There is no way in the German language to have it as neutral, as it is in English.”

Cambridge University ripped for ‘woke’ gender-neutral German curriculum

The University of Cambridge has encouraged students to implement “inclusive language” and “to use gender- and non-binary-inclusive language” when addressing students and col…

nypost.com

The Stars Tremble · May 29, 2023

You could just use English (students). Unless that is hard for German speakers to pronounce?

Juin · May 29, 2023

Voted "other" because I am not familiar with how genders are handled in German. But I know exactly how they are handled in French. Going by the French way my selections would be:

A group of all male students: studenten
A group i of all male students: studentinnen

A group of male and female students: studenten. - the females dissappear

Rumpelstil · May 29, 2023

Juin said:
A group of male and female students: studenten. - the females dissappear

Then fanatically over-woke Germans would accuse you of "denying the existence of women" - and this can cost you your job.

Rumpelstil · May 30, 2023

Ug make hammer said:
You could just use English (students). Unless that is hard for German speakers to pronounce?

It is not hard at all.

But fanatically "woke" persons would hate it.

Rumpelstil · May 30, 2023

Wokeness is destroying the German language.

You cannot just write "baker" any more.

You must write and say: "Bäckerinnen und Bäcker und diverse BäckX*" every time you mention a baker - or a butcher etc etc

= "female bakers and male bakers and diverse bakers" etc etc

Rumpelstil · May 30, 2023

Total voters 5

Rumpelstil · Jun 1, 2023

Ug make hammer said:
You could just use English (students).

I will try to explain-

English has word pairs like:

tigress and tiger
princess and prince

Now imagine, it would be compusory in English to write:

teacheresses and teachers
workeresses and workers
singeresses and singers
Icelanderesses and Islanders

.... every time!

Would you do it?

Rumpelstil · Jun 3, 2023

@ about wokeness:

Wokeness has become fanatical

Wokeness has become fanatical Maybe it was well meant in the beginning, but now it has become fanatical and even idiotic.

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Lisa · Jun 3, 2023

Students, him-her-they until they decide to use their given name.

Rumpelstil · Jun 5, 2023

Just my two cents ….

Rumpelstil · Jun 12, 2023

Example:

In English you can say:
The teachers have gone with their students to visit the local bee-keepers.

In German you must say:
The female teachers and the male teachers have gone with their female students and their male students to visit the local female bee-keepers and the local male bee-keepers
Else you may lose your job or have to leave university.

female students and male students - which grammatical forms would you use?

Speaking of both female and male students, I would choose these form/s:

Studenten und Studentinnen

Studentinnen und Studenten

Student/innen

Student:innen

Student*innen

Studentx

other

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Debate over gender-neutral language divides Germany

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Cambridge University ripped for ‘woke’ gender-neutral German curriculum

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female students and male students - which grammatical forms would you use?

Speaking of both female and male students, I would choose these form/s:

Studenten und Studentinnen

Studentinnen und Studenten

Student/innen

Student:innen

Student*innen

Studentx

other

Jesus loves you.

Genius is where you find it.

John McDermott - Lachin Y Gair (Dark Loch Nagar)​

Dawn Sky Miner

salem ac leporem,

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