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Federal Panel Of Judges Dismisses All 83 Ethics Complaints Against Brett Kavanaugh

So that should stop democracts from adding seats too....right?

There is a good argument that the Left has less scruples than the right...so we'll see.

Look at DP as a guide, do you see the more major abusers coming from the Right or from the Left?
 
I want the accusations about sexual assault to be either laid to rest or confirmed.. one way or another. I want the 83 ethics violations investigated throughly... and not just dismissed.

What would satisfy you? I mean, specifically.

Most, if not all, of the accusations are, by their nature, pretty much impossible to confirm or dismiss with complete certainty.
 
What would satisfy you? I mean, specifically.

Most, if not all, of the accusations are, by their nature, pretty much impossible to confirm or dismiss with complete certainty.

I believe the 83 ethics violations can be thoroughly investigated.
 
I want them to find out the truth. I think the truth is important. Some people might be more interested in 'butt hurt'. But I want the truth, so there is not a shadow over the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court legacy. Truth and integrity seem to beyond some people's grasp

the truth is that Kavanaugh has been a superb judge for 12 years and 7 different FBI investigations failed to find anything disqualifying.
 
some of what you say is true but you miss a couple things

Gorsuch would not change the court on two key issues. But Kennedy was a big supporter of Gay and Abortion rights. Kavanaugh, not so much. I think that is what caused much of the hysterics

Consider: you may have just undercut your own argument that this was about "TDS". If people were actually objecting because of concern about what Kav would do to abortion and gay rights, it wasn't anything to do with Trump. And, you know, stripping away the right of gays to marry (which really shouldn't have taken much longer than Loving v. VA) or abortion rights is kind of something to be worried about.

But again, the fuss over Kavanaugh as articulated wasn't mainly about that, or at least, there was no indication allegations of anything were manufactured over it. All you really have is the typical gap of physical evidence in an old he-said/she-said case, or indeed any he-said/she-said case without physical evidence. But again, the focus was:

- Degree of belief in Ford's testimony, which again in criminal court could be deemed sufficient to convict beyond a reasonable doubt if the jury accepted it.

- Opposition based on the uncharacteristically partisan tone of his statements at the hearing. For example, that this was all some scheme perpetrated by people trying to "take revenge for the Clintons" or a statement nearly like that. "What goes around comes around". The blatant anger and lack of decorum: how dare I have to appear here?!

- The simple fact that he acted like he only liked to have a beer or two, meanwhile the people who knew him at the time(s) said he was constantly getting ripped and "boofing". (which does not mean "farting", as he claimed). Why lie? That raised a question: if he lies about that, or even downplays it (if one wants to call downplaying inaccurately not-a-lie), what else might he downplay or lie about?



Maybe you don't think that should all be enough, but I do not see any reasonable conclusion that opposition was down to "TDS", which was my point - that's where this exchange started. If it was "TDS", it would have happened with Gorsuch. It didn't. There were other factors in play.

I believe almost every Dem on the panel stated they were going to vote against him before he was even heard. and this was the FIRST hearing, not the Two Door Ford instigated second hearing

If we're going to do this in short form: what were the Republicans going to do?

Lindsey Graham and that other guy (and possibly a third) didn't question him. They gave angry partisan speeches.
 
Indeed. "Party and ideology above integrity" is the GOP mantra these days.

this is funny given the dems showed no integrity in using perjured testimony, creepy porn lawyer nonsense, and hide the ball tactics to try to derail Kavanaugh
 
.....and why the dems if they keep the house, take the WH and senate, should add two judges to the SCOTUS.

Add two judges, what just out of the blue add two more judges,?why? We got some good conservative judges now, and possibly one more will be named soon. Trump just keeps winning and liberals can’t stand it when Americans win.


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If we're going to do this in short form: what were the Republicans going to do?

Lindsey Graham and that other guy (and possibly a third) didn't question him. They gave angry partisan speeches.

Flake, and the two ladies-LM from Alaska and SC of Maine, didn't come out and announce how they were going to vote before they heard the evidence.
 
the truth is that Kavanaugh has been a superb judge for 12 years and 7 different FBI investigations failed to find anything disqualifying.

Yet, those 83 ethnics violation claims remain outstanding. There is the very interesting conundrum that 100,000 pages from 27,000 documents about Kavanaugh were not released by the White house, something unprecedented.
 
Flake, and the two ladies-LM from Alaska and SC of Maine, didn't come out and announce how they were going to vote before they heard the evidence.

If announcing counts, why not behavior?

It was obvious what was going to happen all along. The Dems didn't have the power and didn't expect this GOP to buck Trump. The GOP had the power. Each played to a choir. But it's not like the GOP member showed up ready to take this seriously and the Dems showed up to put on a show trial.
 
Yet, those 83 ethnics violation claims remain outstanding. There is the very interesting conundrum that 100,000 pages from 27,000 documents about Kavanaugh were not released by the White house, something unprecedented.

did any of that stuff involve his performance as a judge or is this just a case of butt hurt democrats mad that Kavanaugh worked for the Starr inquisition looking to hang Clinton out to dry?
 
If announcing counts, why not behavior?

It was obvious what was going to happen all along. The Dems didn't have the power and didn't expect this GOP to buck Trump. The GOP had the power. Each played to a choir. But it's not like the GOP member showed up ready to take this seriously and the Dems showed up to put on a show trial.

how did Lisa Murkowski vote?
 
I believe the 83 ethics violations can be thoroughly investigated.

Do you know what they are?

They all have to do with his confirmation hearing. None has to do with conduct on the bench.

Besides, you didn't say what would satisfy you, specifically. What would?
 
Do you know what they are?

They all have to do with his confirmation hearing. None has to do with conduct on the bench.

Besides, you didn't say what would satisfy you, specifically. What would?

Well, until they are investigated, how you know they aren't? What would satisfy me is a full investigation, and then not finding strong enough evidence to be beyond a reasonable doubt. .. and even then, it will depend on what the violation is. If there isn't enough after an impartial and complete investigation, so be it.
 
how did Lisa Murkowski vote?

1. Good for her. (Really, that's not sarcasm. I'm glad, in a general sense). That really doesn't say anything about the rest of them.

2. Her history is of angling for that "I'm not all the way over there" vote. I don't have self-reported political orientation at hand, but Alaska started swinging right in the 90s, moreso nationally than state-wide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_Alaska

I would hazard a guesstimate that the reason she typically aims to look like she's mostly Republican but not a pure lock-stepper is demographics. That's true of just about any politician. One has to be. (Hence I have no intent of even considering getting into the cesspool).

The best case you could make - and I'm not saying I agree with it, not at all - is that the Dems were all partisan, so was the GOP, except Lisa Murkowski voted against the rest of the sitting Rs; that, in a circumstance where her vote would almost certainly not cause Kavanaugh to be seated and which would not in the least bit prevent the GOP from getting through another so-called "conservative" judge without baggage, real or otherwise.




But, we're getting a bit afield. This started with the opposition = TDS thing, at least in most cases. So my main points here were about how there really were legitimate reasons to dislike Kavanaugh coupled with the failure of the people allegedly TDS'ing about Kavanaugh to do the same with Gorsuch who, if anyone, rightfully deserved partisan ire. That Garland --> Gorsuch thing pissed me off.

On the point, if Murkowski is the one unbiased politican on that panel, good for her, but I doubt it given her history of angling for that spot. I haven't followed her history long enough to know whether I'd judge it as like McCain's (which....wavered at times anyway), or as a fraud. I dunno. I only have so much time.
 
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Well, until they are investigated, how you know they aren't? What would satisfy me is a full investigation, and then not finding strong enough evidence to be beyond a reasonable doubt. .. and even then, it will depend on what the violation is. If there isn't enough after an impartial and complete investigation, so be it.

Don’t worry I’m sure you’re liberal dumocrats in the House will be dropping pages of investigations all over the place come 1/3/19.


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Don’t worry I’m sure you’re liberal dumocrats in the House will be dropping pages of investigations all over the place come 1/3/19.


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And it's about time too.
 
And it's about time too.

And y’all said conservatives were dumb for wanting investigations, now liberals are the dumb ones, everyone gets a turn.


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And y’all said conservatives were dumb for wanting investigations, now liberals are the dumb ones, everyone gets a turn.


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Well, I know one thing. When it comes to the ones the conservatives say are 'witch hunts', there tends to be lots of indictments, guilty pleas and convictions.
 
Which means the next time GOP gets it then they’ll add four judges.

Or the Supreme Court might have to play the liberals activist game back on them and declare court packing unconstitutional

I doubt it but the current court given their desire to legislate from the bench, re: Citizens United and Buckley v Valeo,

just might claim it is even though there is no constitutional prohibition against it.

However upon the two new judges being sworn in, would change that vote.
 
Well, until they are investigated, how you know they aren't?

I know what the specific complaints are. They don't have to do with his conduct on the bench, only that which happened at his confirmation hearings. A good chunk of them have to do with his "behavior" and demeanor during the hearings. How do you "investigate" that?

What would satisfy me is a full investigation, and then not finding strong enough evidence to be beyond a reasonable doubt. .. and even then, it will depend on what the violation is. If there isn't enough after an impartial and complete investigation, so be it.

I just don't see what the difference between a "full investigation" and what's already known would be. The only "evidence" which could exist would be in witness testimony, and we already know what all of that is, because all of the supposed witnesses have made their statements. What stones haven't been upturned?
 
.....and why the dems if they keep the house, take the WH and senate, should add two judges to the SCOTUS.

Democrats know the importance of appointing wicked judges to SCOTUS if they are ever to succeed in transforming God bless America into some sort of ungodly third world Bolshevik backwater more to their wicked liking.
 
That's your opinion, and not the conclusion of the panel.

Was there ever any evidence brought forth that substantiated the accusations?
 
You clearly only read the headline. From the second damn paragraph:

"The judges concluded that while the complaints "are serious," there is no existing authority that allows lower court judges to investigate or discipline Supreme Court justices."

So they didn't clear him because of his sparkly clean character, but because now that he's a Supreme Court Justice the judges no longer have the authority to investigate or discipline him.

But the House certainly does and they can subpoena the FBI background reports and witnesses too. It's going to be a busy 2 years.
 
Was there ever any evidence brought forth that substantiated the accusations?

The GOP made sure no evidence was brought forward. Now we have yet another slim ball on the court. Be happy, he's your kind of guy.
 
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