Federal Nullification Efforts Mounting in States......

[LaMidRighter]

I thought we WERE 50 sovereign nations that established a union between themselves.

This is the problem that Wilsonian doctrine has brought into our nation. The loose play with words and powers has a lot of people thinking that the federal is some all powerful body, when in fact they were limited very strictly by any proper reading of the constitution.

 

[Master PO]

Civil disobedience instead of nullification.

you would rather have the possibility of people dying, then to nullify a law?

 

[blaxshep]

This is the problem that Wilsonian doctrine has brought into our nation. The loose play with words and powers has a lot of people thinking that the federal is some all powerful body, when in fact they were limited very strictly by any proper reading of the constitution.

It is even worse then that the liberals are now of the belief that the Fed created the States and dictate to them their powers.

 

[LaMidRighter]

It is even worse then that the liberals are now of the belief that the Fed created the States and dictate to them their powers.

The lie has taken a century, but it has taken with some people.

 

[JCHSALEM]

There isn't. When you combine the constitution, language of the day, and the federalist papers there is no room for interpretation.

The Federalist Papers have no legal standing. They were essentially editorials to get people to support the Constitution.

 

[JCHSALEM]

you would rather have the possibility of people dying, then to nullify a law?

I am pretty sure that if the police were killing people who performed civil disobedience instead of arresting them, there would be bigger problems than nullification.

 

[JCHSALEM]

This is the problem that Wilsonian doctrine has brought into our nation. The loose play with words and powers has a lot of people thinking that the federal is some all powerful body, when in fact they were limited very strictly by any proper reading of the constitution.

You are correct. The federal government is not some all powerful body. But were are a single nation, not 50.

 

[LaMidRighter]

You are correct. The federal government is not some all powerful body. But were are a single nation, not 50.

Incorrect, we are 50 sovereign states that granted very limited powers to a federal body. The federal is NOT to legislate past it's prohibited powers, BOR, amendment 10, those powers are explicitly spelled out.

 

[LaMidRighter]

The Federalist Papers have no legal standing. They were essentially editorials to get people to support the Constitution.

The federalist papers explain the constitution, I never said they have legal standing, they are a guide to the constitution, the supreme law of the land. Even trying to explain this away is a textbook dodge.

 

[Master PO]

I am pretty sure that if the police were killing people who performed civil disobedience instead of arresting them, there would be bigger problems than nullification.

that's not my point.

would not it be easier for the states to say, "we are nullifying that federal law, and not going to obey it or let you enforce it, federal government, instead of people engaging in civil disobedience, where people could die.

one is no violence, and the other has the possibility of pain, death and destruction

 

[American]

Hard to take anything you say after this seriously at all. I would have loved to type out a response, but I'm just not that interested in responding to people that think 5th grade insults count as debate.

We'll remember that the next time a lefty uses the term "teabagger" as a serious debate tactic.

 

[American]

The leftwing generation of protesters, now doesn't like protests. :lol: I guess cause they're now the "establishment".

 

[Master PO]

This is the problem that Wilsonian doctrine has brought into our nation. The loose play with words and powers has a lot of people thinking that the federal is some all powerful body, when in fact they were limited very strictly by any proper reading of the constitution.

federalist 39--Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a federal, and not a national constitution.

 

[LaMidRighter]

that's not my point.

would not it be easier for the states to say, "we are nullifying that federal law, and not going to obey it or let you enforce it, federal government, instead of people engaging in civil disobedience, where people could die.

one is no violence, and the other has the possibility of pain, death and destruction

The Supreme Court is quickly proving to be a useless rubber stamp to the federal, it seems the only way for the federal to be put back into it's place is for the states to nullify laws as is their legal right, if the court rules against the states then it's time to either call for an impeachment of the offending justices OR force a showdown and ignore the court.

 

[Master PO]

The Supreme Court is quickly proving to be a useless rubber stamp to the federal, it seems the only way for the federal to be put back into it's place is for the states to nullify laws as is their legal right, if the court rules against the states then it's time to either call for an impeachment of the offending justices OR force a showdown and ignore the court.

well the states voice is gone with the 17th amendment, and they have had no power to stop federal steaming rolling into their state powers.

if states would just call the federal governments buff, the federal government would be powerless.

 

[LaMidRighter]

well the states voice is gone with the 17th amendment, and they have had no power to stop federal steaming rolling into their state powers.

if states would just call the federal governments buff, the federal government would be powerless.

The worst thing is coercion, the states have allowed need for money from the federal to allow them to just pass whatever the hell they want, then having a "last hope" of a SCOTUS decision going in their favor. SCOTUS has been so laughably discredited by themselves that it seems only when states get tired of federal encroachment and shove back will something happen. And yes direct senatorial election is a huge mistake, they can play the same games as the House and screw their home states over, if they were directly accountable to the states they would not be so reckless in their voting. And Obamacare would never have passed under a state appointed Senate with all the back loaded responsibilities on the state end.

 

[American]

well the states voice is gone with the 17th amendment, and they have had no power to stop federal steaming rolling into their state powers.

if states would just call the federal governments buff, the federal government would be powerless.

They did it to themselves didn't they. And the liberals celebrate with glee each increase in federal power, because they think it brings them closer to their socialist utopia. Fools.

 

[Master PO]

They did it to themselves didn't they. And the liberals celebrate with glee each increase in federal power, because they think it brings them closer to their socialist utopia. Fools.

maybe ..maybe not there is some who say the 16th and 17th were not legally ratified

in 1913 progressives were in charge of the administration.

 

[LaMidRighter]

maybe ..maybe not there is some who say the 16th and 17th were not legally ratified

in 1913 progressives were in charge of the administration.

I've never heard that so I figured that Congress and the states just had a collective brain fart. Could you expand on the contentions that were raised?

 

[Master PO]

I've never heard that so I figured that Congress and the states just had a collective brain fart. Could you expand on the contentions that were raised?

i am posting stories of people who make claims, you judge for yourself

this man claims he has been to every state which is supposed to have ratified the 16th amendment, and he states the amendment was falsely ratified by looking at the official records.

there are other stories saying the same about the 17th , since both were ratified the same year


The Law That Never Was: The Fraud of Income & Social Security Tax — Home

http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/seventeenth.aspx


ALSO, ever hard of the missing 13th amendment, The Missing Thirteenth Amendment

between 1820 to 1867 the 13th amendment to the constitution which had to do with tiles and nobility...was printed in public, private and school books for over 40 years, then after the civil war it disappeared.

https://www.google.com/search?q=mis...M4HtiQK-4IG4DA&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=2133&bih=1032

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1809158

 

[LaMidRighter]

i am posting stories of people who make claims, you judge for yourself

this man claims he has been to every state which is supposed to have ratified the 16th amendment, and he states the amendment was falsely ratified by looking at the official records.

there are other stories saying the same about the 17th , since both were ratified the same year


The Law That Never Was: The Fraud of Income & Social Security Tax — Home

The Law That Never Was: The Fraud of Income & Social Security Tax — {0}


ALSO, ever hard of the missing 13th amendment, The Missing Thirteenth Amendment

between 1820 to 1867 the 13th amendment to the constitution which had to do with tiles and nobility...was printed in public, private and school books for over 40 years, then after the civil war it disappeared.

https://www.google.com/search?q=mis...M4HtiQK-4IG4DA&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=2133&bih=1032

The MISSING Original 13th Amendment at The Turiya Files, extra content: embedded video, extra content: embedded image, threadID=1809158

Interesting reading, stuff I've never heard of before. I'll have to do some more research on this but wouldn't be surprised in the least if Wilson's sychophants directly engaged in fraud, he was among the top five most corrupt and despised U.S. presidents in history.

 

[Master PO]

Interesting reading, stuff I've never heard of before. I'll have to do some more research on this but wouldn't be surprised in the least if Wilson's sychophants directly engaged in fraud, he was among the top five most corrupt and despised U.S. presidents in history.

it is said the attorney general falsify the documents in 1913

just some info, there are many many books published between 1820's and 1867 ,which show the original 13th, and cover a wide range of types of books , privet, public, government, school, and almanacs.

 

[LaMidRighter]

it is said the attorney general falsify the documents in 1913

just some info, there are many many books published between 1820's and 1867 ,which show the original 13th, and cover a wide range of types of books , privet, public, government, school, and almanacs.

It wouldn't surprise me, that was the beginning of the U.S. progressive movement. I'm definitely going to have to read up more on that, but it definitely isnt' unheard of to have an agendist cheat, forge, and lie.