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Federal Judge: White House "Bad Faith" on Climate Data

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The warmists are once again spanked in court. They would be better served if they were actually transparent instead of just claiming to be.


Federal Judge: Obama White House showed “Bad Faith” in Global Warming Case

Guest essay by Eric Worrall Washington Times reports that a Federal Judge ruled on Monday that the Obama White House showed “Bad Faith”, in how it responded to a request from the Competitive Enterprise Institute for Global Warming Data.
The White House showed “bad faith” in how it handled an open records request for global warming data, a federal court ruled Monday, issuing yet another stinging rebuke to the administration for showing a lack of transparency.
For President Obama, who vowed to run the most transparent government in U.S. history, Judge Amit P. Mehta’s ruling granting legal discovery in an open records case — the third time this year a judge has ordered discovery — is an embarrassing black eye.
In this most recent case, the Competitive Enterprise Institute was trying to force the White House office of science and technology policy to release documents backing up Director John C. Holdren’s finding that global warming was making winters colder — a claim disputed by climate scientists.
Mr. Holdren’s staffers first said they couldn’t find many documents. They then tried to hide their release by saying the documents were all internal or were similar to what was already public.
Each of those claims turned out not to be true.
“At some point, the government’s inconsistent representations about the scope and completeness of its searches must give way to the truth-seeking function of the adversarial process, including the tools available through discovery. This case has crossed that threshold,” the judge wrote.
 

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The warmists are once again spanked in court. They would be better served if they were actually transparent instead of just claiming to be.

So the judge is requiring the White House to conduct a more thorough search in regards to the FOIA request. Not much else going on here. If you're interested to review some of the peer-reviewed papers supporting the claim that extreme cold weather events could be influenced by global warming (since these articles reference, but do not cite, "several" that disagree), then I would suggest starting here:

Evidence linking Arctic amplification to extreme weather in mid-latitudes - Francis - 2012 - Geophysical Research Letters - Wiley Online Library
http://web.mit.edu/jlcohen/www/papers/Cohenetal2009.pdf
http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5_WGI-12Doc2b_FinalDraft_All.pdf

It should be noted (and Dr. Holdren would agree) that this field of study (extreme cold weather events due to global warming) is still quite in its infancy because scientists simply do not have a lengthy record of such extreme periods of arctic ice as that which has been experienced recently and is projected to get worse in the near future.
 

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The warmists are once again spanked in court. They would be better served if they were actually transparent instead of just claiming to be.


Federal Judge: Obama White House showed “Bad Faith” in Global Warming Case

Guest essay by Eric Worrall Washington Times reports that a Federal Judge ruled on Monday that the Obama White House showed “Bad Faith”, in how it responded to a request from the Competitive Enterprise Institute for Global Warming Data.
The White House showed “bad faith” in how it handled an open records request for global warming data, a federal court ruled Monday, issuing yet another stinging rebuke to the administration for showing a lack of transparency.
For President Obama, who vowed to run the most transparent government in U.S. history, Judge Amit P. Mehta’s ruling granting legal discovery in an open records case — the third time this year a judge has ordered discovery — is an embarrassing black eye.
In this most recent case, the Competitive Enterprise Institute was trying to force the White House office of science and technology policy to release documents backing up Director John C. Holdren’s finding that global warming was making winters colder — a claim disputed by climate scientists.
Mr. Holdren’s staffers first said they couldn’t find many documents. They then tried to hide their release by saying the documents were all internal or were similar to what was already public.
Each of those claims turned out not to be true.
“At some point, the government’s inconsistent representations about the scope and completeness of its searches must give way to the truth-seeking function of the adversarial process, including the tools available through discovery. This case has crossed that threshold,” the judge wrote.

The government does not do the research which informs Dr. Holdren. The research is to be found in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, not in the White House. Government officials can and should report on the latest scientific findings. This is an ignorant attempt at blaming the messenger.
 

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The government does not do the research which informs Dr. Holdren. The research is to be found in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, not in the White House. Government officials can and should report on the latest scientific findings. This is an ignorant attempt at blaming the messenger.

Then what are they trying to hide?
 

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Leave it to Jack Hays to broadcast every right-wing post/article/comment from every right-wing media source regardless its actual importance to the topic.

Jack, do you believe the climate is being significantly altered due in significant degree to greenhouse gasses generated by humans?
 

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Leave it to Jack Hays to broadcast every right-wing post/article/comment from every right-wing media source regardless its actual importance to the topic.

Jack, do you believe the climate is being significantly altered due in significant degree to greenhouse gasses generated by humans?

Significant in what sense?

1, That can be measured by our present technology

or

2, Significant to human activity and living. And if so in a good or bad way?
 

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The warmists are once again spanked in court. They would be better served if they were actually transparent instead of just claiming to be.


Federal Judge: Obama White House showed “Bad Faith” in Global Warming Case

Guest essay by Eric Worrall Washington Times reports that a Federal Judge ruled on Monday that the Obama White House showed “Bad Faith”, in how it responded to a request from the Competitive Enterprise Institute for Global Warming Data.
The White House showed “bad faith” in how it handled an open records request for global warming data, a federal court ruled Monday, issuing yet another stinging rebuke to the administration for showing a lack of transparency.
For President Obama, who vowed to run the most transparent government in U.S. history, Judge Amit P. Mehta’s ruling granting legal discovery in an open records case — the third time this year a judge has ordered discovery — is an embarrassing black eye.
In this most recent case, the Competitive Enterprise Institute was trying to force the White House office of science and technology policy to release documents backing up Director John C. Holdren’s finding that global warming was making winters colder — a claim disputed by climate scientists.
Mr. Holdren’s staffers first said they couldn’t find many documents. They then tried to hide their release by saying the documents were all internal or were similar to what was already public.
Each of those claims turned out not to be true.
“At some point, the government’s inconsistent representations about the scope and completeness of its searches must give way to the truth-seeking function of the adversarial process, including the tools available through discovery. This case has crossed that threshold,” the judge wrote.

The climate cabal has a history of avoiding satisfying FOIA requests.
 

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Leave it to Jack Hays to broadcast every right-wing post/article/comment from every right-wing media source regardless its actual importance to the topic.

Jack, do you believe the climate is being significantly altered due in significant degree to greenhouse gasses generated by humans?

Do you believe the WH has been transparent answering requests for climate data? That IS the thread topic after all.
 

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The climate cabal has a history of avoiding satisfying FOIA requests.

To be fair, the entire Federal Government under Obama is the most corrupt and secretively deceptive and misleading organization ever to pervert our lives.

So, there's that..
 

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Leave it to Jack Hays to broadcast every right-wing post/article/comment from every right-wing media source regardless its actual importance to the topic.

Jack, do you believe the climate is being significantly altered due in significant degree to greenhouse gasses generated by humans?

No. I do not believe human activity has a significant climate effect.
 

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Then why are they non-responsive?

Who in the White House understands the climate data produced by NASA, NOAA and the other organizations in Great Briton and Japan who produce the climate data? Who in the White House understands the details of particular research studies being referenced? If data is desired go to the source rather than a government entity who is merely recounting what those scientific organizations produce.
 

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Who in the White House understands the climate data produced by NASA, NOAA and the other organizations in Great Briton and Japan who produce the climate data? Who in the White House understands the details of particular research studies being referenced? If data is desired go to the source rather than a government entity who is merely recounting what those scientific organizations produce.

Unless one suspects that government entity is bending the data to advance a political agenda.
 

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The government does not do the research which informs Dr. Holdren. The research is to be found in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, not in the White House. Government officials can and should report on the latest scientific findings. This is an ignorant attempt at blaming the messenger.

The problem is the scientific papers do not say what the pundits say they say. Therefore, it is important to know who is telling the White House the lies.
 

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Do you believe the WH has been transparent answering requests for climate data? That IS the thread topic after all.

Unless the White house employs climate scientists (which they don't) I don't see how they need to "release" anything. The info is available from peer reviewed sources.
 

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Unless the White house employs climate scientists (which they don't) I don't see how they need to "release" anything. The info is available from peer reviewed sources.

They're required to release info on the regulations regarding the climate data they used if anyone asks.
 

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It should be noted (and Dr. Holdren would agree) that this field of study (extreme cold weather events due to global warming) is still quite in its infancy because scientists simply do not have a lengthy record of such extreme periods of arctic ice as that which has been experienced recently and is projected to get worse in the near future.

It should be noted that despite this being in it's infancy, the studies are predicated on global warming being the cause from the very beginning. When research with the conclusion already made then it shouldn't be a surprise when they end up with the results they wanted to begin with.
 

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It should be noted that despite this being in it's infancy, the studies are predicated on global warming being the cause from the very beginning. When research with the conclusion already made then it shouldn't be a surprise when they end up with the results they wanted to begin with.

Yes, that is a possibility.
 

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Just so people understand what science is involved in this matter, it involves a cascading of events which begins with a warming Arctic. Sea ice is diminishing leaving more exposed open water later into the fall season. The water gives up it's thermal energy to the overlying atmosphere reducing the thermal gradient between the Arctic and the lower latitudes. This thermal difference is what powers the northern jet stream, so as the Arctic warms the jet stream weakens and is more likely to become wavy allowing for deeper incursions of Arctic air to the south over the continents. This pattern of wavy jet stream tends to persist for periods of time essentially getting stuck in place. Meteorologists call this a blocking pattern. The normal progression of weather systems from west to east slows down or comes temporarily to a halt. Cold Arctic air flows out of the Arctic reinforcing the cold until the jet pattern again begins to flatten out.

Over the oceans very mild air can push deep into the Arctic while the cold penetrates deep to the south over the continents. These blocking patterns could be becoming more frequent. It is one such pattern which forced Hurricane Sandy onto the New Jersey coastline for example. The freak snow storms on the east coast the past several winters may have been influenced by this situation. This is a new revelation as we continue to learn about how global warming will impact on weather events. That these studies are coming under attack because of the association with a warming Arctic and climate change is par for the course. The attack on science continues unabated in this country. Right wing politics is no friend of science.
 

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Just so people understand what science is involved in this matter, it involves a cascading of events which begins with a warming Arctic. Sea ice is diminishing leaving more exposed open water later into the fall season. The water gives up it's thermal energy to the overlying atmosphere reducing the thermal gradient between the Arctic and the lower latitudes. This thermal difference is what powers the northern jet stream, so as the Arctic warms the jet stream weakens and is more likely to become wavy allowing for deeper incursions of Arctic air to the south over the continents. This pattern of wavy jet stream tends to persist for periods of time essentially getting stuck in place. Meteorologists call this a blocking pattern. The normal progression of weather systems from west to east slows down or comes temporarily to a halt. Cold Arctic air flows out of the Arctic reinforcing the cold until the jet pattern again begins to flatten out.

Over the oceans very mild air can push deep into the Arctic while the cold penetrates deep to the south over the continents. These blocking patterns could be becoming more frequent. It is one such pattern which forced Hurricane Sandy onto the New Jersey coastline for example. The freak snow storms on the east coast the past several winters may have been influenced by this situation. This is a new revelation as we continue to learn about how global warming will impact on weather events. That these studies are coming under attack because of the association with a warming Arctic and climate change is par for the course. The attack on science continues unabated in this country. Right wing politics is no friend of science.

No one is attacking science. To claim that is a lie. What is being attacked is White House secrecy.
 

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No one is attacking science. To claim that is a lie. What is being attacked is White House secrecy.

The entire charade is an attack on science and anyone and everyone associated with it. Including politicians who are informed by the science. There is no White House secrecy. No one in the white house does any related science. Simply for bringing up scientific studies revolving around global warming John Holdren is under the gun for what? Acting in his assigned role as someone within the administration who mentions science as he is expected to do. You seem to treat this as if it's an isolated incident, rather than part of a 25 year long attack on climate science. Maybe John Holdren can purchase copies of the related studies and personally read them to those who wish to obtain the "evidence".
 

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The problem is the scientific papers do not say what the pundits say they say. Therefore, it is important to know who is telling the White House the lies.

Well, yes the scientific literature does point to Arctic warming, the melting of the sea ice and the effects on the jet stream in producing atmospheric blocking patterns and deep, persistent incursions of cold air to the south and warm air to the north. On the first page of this threat an example study is linked to.
 
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The entire charade is an attack on science and anyone and everyone associated with it. Including politicians who are informed by the science. There is no White House secrecy. No one in the white house does any related science. Simply for bringing up scientific studies revolving around global warming John Holdren is under the gun for what? Acting in his assigned role as someone within the administration who mentions science as he is expected to do. You seem to treat this as if it's an isolated incident, rather than part of a 25 year long attack on climate science. Maybe John Holdren can purchase copies of the related studies and personally read them to those who wish to obtain the "evidence".

A federal judge apparently disagrees with you. And if there has been an attack on science it has been led by AGW advocates.
 
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