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Why do you believe that the history of slavery and discrimination in this country should not be taught in public schools, just because it might offend a few bigots?
i am not suggesting, that history of slavery and discrimination not be taught, i think they should...however no law can violate the rights of citizens, becuase the majority is for something........ie .....Utah marriage ban.
the reason for my position....[freedom] as a citizen i have freedom to like and dislike other people and not deal with them, its called [right of association].
the 14th amendment to our constitution is to protect people from discrimination by governments only, becuase governments are there to secure rights, and the interest of the people.....a business is not here to secure rights and serve the interest of the people, a business serves it own interest.
the Utah ban on marriage was a morality vote of the people, to stop homosexuals from marrying......the government has no authority in the morality of the peoples personal life's.
in the same sense..... it has no moral authority to teach people things which they find repugnant to ones sense of morality.
i am not suggesting, that history of slavery and discrimination not be taught, i think they should...however no law can violate the rights of citizens, becuase the majority is for something........ie .....Utah marriage ban.
the reason for my position....[freedom] as a citizen i have freedom to like and dislike other people and not deal with them, its called [right of association].
the 14th amendment to our constitution is to protect people from discrimination by governments only, becuase governments are there to secure rights, and the interest of the people.....a business is not here to secure rights and serve the interest of the people, a business serves it own interest.
the Utah ban on marriage was a morality vote of the people, to stop homosexuals from marrying......the government has no authority in the morality of the peoples personal life's.
in the same sense..... it has no moral authority to teach people things which they find repugnant to ones sense of morality.
Under that premise the court erred in the Loving decision.
However the 14th Amendment does grant the power to the federal government to require that no States deny citizens of a State the privileges & immunities, Due Process, and Equal Protections of the laws of that State.
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The Loving decision is not part of the Constitution. The 14th amendment doesn't address that at all, it is about protecting rights of former slaves. Nothing about marriage or changing the definition of marriage at all.
Well...in essence that is exactly what you are saying. There are some bigots in this country that still believe that blacks are inferior to whites. Why should they be forced in a public school to learn about desegration and the civil rights movement...things that they find offensive or "repugnant to their sense of morality"?
BTW...there is a very big difference between "Freedom of Association" and the right to disassociation. Certainly you have the right to decide who you want to associate with. However, you do not have a right to disassociate by discriminating against people in the workplace just because you find them "icky".
LOL....have you read the Loving decision? If you had....you probably would not have written what you just did.
"LOL", really? So you think that a court case is somehow written into the Constitution? That's just sad.
You can dislike them all you want. But the govt...including in a public school system...cant discriminate against them. You stress freedom....and they have THE SAME freedoms you do, or should. How can that be if you decide what marriages and careers they have??
sp. where there is no cause or harm shown. Gays cannot turn other people gay, it's not contagious, and even if they promoted it (which I would be against), it's pointless because again....you cant turn people gay. ?
And in Utah....how does gay marriage affect the 'morality' of other Utah marriages? Does it make those marriages immoral? If so, how?
.because the government is compelling them to go to school....
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You can choose a religious school or teach your kids at home, if you want to teach bigotry.
you are correct the public school is part of government it cannot discriminate against people, that is a rights violation, but its also a rights violation if you force people to do things against their religious beliefs, and remember these people are compelled to go to school.
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I agree, they are not turning people gay, however they are trying to influence people, to a way of thinking.... the school system is not there to indorse a life of way, and tell people through force who find a certain way of life repugnant...its ok.
the Utah vote was a referendum, of people who just don't want gay marriage.....well that does not give them any moral authority to use movement to stop gay marriages.
and people have no moral authority to have government endorse a way of life.
Why are you against schools teaching about the civil rights movement? Just because it offends the "moral values" of some bigots?
civil rights?
government cannot discriminate....according to constitutional law......how did you and others determine it , to mean it applies to people/business, .. the constitution in no way limits people or business.
if I try to teach you a religious set of moral valves ...are you going to be offended?.............yes you are., and claim there is a separation of church and state.
why do you think you can teach a set of values which are not religious based, to me which is offensive to my religious values, and violate that separation of church and state.
government can not make any laws, which interfere with a person religious beliefs.....it goes both way.
why is it people who are not religious believe somehow they have some authority over other people.
Some people claim the universe is 4,000 years old because of their religious beliefs. Would you have us not teach kids the facts about how old the universe is?
School is for facts. If you want to teach that minorities, gays, women are somehow "lesser" in your religion - do that at home. The govt is not stopping you from teaching your kids anything you want at home.
But when they come to school, they learn the latest information that we have. That includes it's wrong to discriminate against people because they are minority, women or gay/lesbian. It includes that evolution happens. It includes the age of the universe as best as we know it (13.8 billion years).
You don't like it? Your option is to home school or to put your kids in a religious school, NOT to insist the public school system teach according to your religious beliefs.
After all, I assume you wouldn't like it if the schools taught kids according to Muslim beliefs, right? Or Greek/Roman god beliefs?
really, the introduction of homosexuality into the public school system is a violation of a person religious freedom, and since people are mandated by law to go to school, it makes it unconstitutional.
discrimination laws, aimed at private business or individuals is also unconstitutional.
it is government who cannot discriminate......not individuals or business.
thinking that a black person is not equal, and trying to exercise that on government property is not a right.....I have a right to exercise it on my own property.
because when I exercise discrimination,..i am not committing a crime, because I am not violating anyone's rights.....and its not a health or safety issue.
we have a separation of church and state, which prohibits the government from prevents the government from any activity concerning religion, meaning they cannot promote, or takes actions detractions from religion,...meaning you can make laws or polices which forces people...to do things or accept thing things, teaches things, against their religious beliefs...because the government is compelling them to go to school....if that person is not committing a crime of something which endangers health or safety.
why is it people say, you cant teach your religion to me....
but then say I can teach you my moral beliefs against your religious beliefs.
this is no answer....all your saying is I want things my way.
civil rights?
government cannot discriminate....according to constitutional law......how did you and others determine it , to mean it applies to people/business, .. the constitution in no way limits people or business.
if I try to teach you a religious set of moral valves ...are you going to be offended?.............yes you are., and claim there is a separation of church and state.
why do you think you can teach a set of values which are not religious based, to me which is offensive to my religious values, and violate that separation of church and state.
government can not make any laws, which interfere with a person religious beliefs.....it goes both way.
why is it people who are not religious believe somehow they have some authority over other people.
You are right...but no one is teaching 'homosexuality.'
And that's also why you cant teach creationism in science classes. I'm glad at least that is clear, so it's just that you dont like being around gays. Then you have the choice not to be or have your kids in a school with gay teachers....homeschool them or send them to private school.
Or, teach your children what YOU BELIEVE at home, just like everyone else. How do you think being taught by a gay teacher will harm them? Again, it's not 'taught' and it's not contagious.
Because the Constitution requires a separation of church/state, not state and community values. It really is that simple.
You can homeschool your kid or send them to private school if you do not like what's taught in a public school.
And as I wrote somewhere else, no one is 'teaching' homosexuality' anymore than they are teaching 'heterosexuality.' What lifestyle? Their lives are exactly the same in every way except who they have sex with. Even the same sex acts are performed by some straight couples. They go to PTA, soccer games, put out the trash, have dinner together, help with homework, go on vacation, take their cars in for maintenance, shovel snow...how is their lifestyle different?
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