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Federal judge rules Kim Davis violated rights when she refused to marry same-sex couples in 2015 (1 Viewer)

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Loulit01 said:
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Federal judge rules Kim Davis violated rights when she refused to marry same-sex couples in 2015 | CNN Politics

A federal judge said Friday that former Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis violated two same-sex couples' constitutional rights when she refused to marry them while in office in 2015.
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I have mixed feelings about this.
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Why? Government officials do not have the right to discriminate against gays/lesbians when legally allowed marriages are concerned.
 

IIRC, CNN has something materially wrong in their article when they state that the couples asked for her to perform the civil service. I don't believe that is correct, they were attempting to get a civil marriage licenses after the Obergafel SCOTUS case decision, after the Governor had sent a letter explaining the decision to the clerks, and after consulting with the county attorney (who said she couldn't deny licenses to same-sex couples). The couples made repeated attempts between July and September to obtain a license and were denied either in person by Ms. Davis or by her staff under the direct orders of Ms. Davis. If that is incorrect, someone can post an earlier court ruling that indicates that, I would appreciate it. But this ruling notes that it was about not issuing the licenses.

I don't have an issue with a religious accommodation such that she didn't have to be the one issuing the civil license or performing the civil service as long as other staff were available, and that is the case. Where she screwed the pooch is at the point she ordered her staff not to do their jobs because of her religious beliefs. It became not about her beliefs and actions and more about denying the two couples in question access to civil marriage licenses.

WW
 
WorldWatcher said:

IIRC, CNN has something materially wrong in their article when they state that the couples asked for her to perform the civil service. I don't believe that is correct, they were attempting to get a civil marriage licenses after the Obergafel SCOTUS case decision, after the Governor had sent a letter explaining the decision to the clerks, and after consulting with the county attorney (who said she couldn't deny licenses to same-sex couples). The couples made repeated attempts between July and September to obtain a license and were denied either in person by Ms. Davis or by her staff under the direct orders of Ms. Davis. If that is incorrect, someone can post an earlier court ruling that indicates that, I would appreciate it. But this ruling notes that it was about not issuing the licenses.
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That's how I remember it.
WorldWatcher said:
I don't have an issue with a religious accommodation such that she didn't have to be the one issuing the civil license or performing the civil service as long as other staff were available, and that is the case. Where she screwed the pooch is at the point she ordered her staff not to do their jobs because of her religious beliefs. It became not about her beliefs and actions and more about denying the two couples in question access to civil marriage licenses.

WW
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Agreed. It seems so simple.
 
Loulit01 said:
www.cnn.com

Federal judge rules Kim Davis violated rights when she refused to marry same-sex couples in 2015 | CNN Politics

A federal judge said Friday that former Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis violated two same-sex couples' constitutional rights when she refused to marry them while in office in 2015.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com


I have mixed feelings about this.
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I really do not.

Marriage is a legal process that creates a legal entity: a married couple.

I don't understand why a same gender couple should not be allowed to have the same legal advantages and responsibilities accorded mixed gender couples.
 
If an employer has legal and/or ethical policies that contradict your personal religious beliefs/ethics...you can choose not to work there. Pretty simple. I've turned down jobs where I felt I would be morally compromised, or that I would not be able to do the job under those policies so I quit.
 
Good call by the judge.
 
Binary_Digit said:
If she wants to be a religious bigot to her customers at work, she should find a job at a church.
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The irony that a woman married 4 times gets to pass judgement on gay marriage, based on her religious beliefs.
 
Jason Warfield said:
If an employer has legal and/or ethical policies that contradict your personal religious beliefs/ethics...you can choose not to work there. Pretty simple. I've turned down jobs where I felt I would be morally compromised, or that I would not be able to do the job under those policies so I quit.
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^^ This. That's what I've said from the beginning. If you have a job that contradicts your beliefs, walk away.
 
WorldWatcher said:

IIRC, CNN has something materially wrong in their article when they state that the couples asked for her to perform the civil service. I don't believe that is correct, they were attempting to get a civil marriage licenses after the Obergafel SCOTUS case decision, after the Governor had sent a letter explaining the decision to the clerks, and after consulting with the county attorney (who said she couldn't deny licenses to same-sex couples). The couples made repeated attempts between July and September to obtain a license and were denied either in person by Ms. Davis or by her staff under the direct orders of Ms. Davis. If that is incorrect, someone can post an earlier court ruling that indicates that, I would appreciate it. But this ruling notes that it was about not issuing the licenses.

I don't have an issue with a religious accommodation such that she didn't have to be the one issuing the civil license or performing the civil service as long as other staff were available, and that is the case. Where she screwed the pooch is at the point she ordered her staff not to do their jobs because of her religious beliefs. It became not about her beliefs and actions and more about denying the two couples in question access to civil marriage licenses.

WW
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Yep. If the government doesn't get to enforce a specific set of religious beliefs on the public, then why the hell would Davis be entitled to?
 
Superfly said:
The irony that a woman married 4 times gets to pass judgement on gay marriage, based on her religious beliefs.
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And that's too often the rule for these sorts, not the exception.

"My fourth husband and I stand for the sanctity of marriage!"
 
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