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FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lovers

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FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lovers - LA Times

"On Tuesday, Univision aired a report in which “Miguel,” a man wearing a disguise to conceal his identity, alleged he had sex with Mateen after meeting him on the gay dating app, Grindr.

But investigators do not consider the man’s account credible...

So far, they have found no photographs, no text messages, no smartphone apps, no gay pornography and no cell-tower location data to suggest that Mateen — who was twice married to women and had a young son — conducted a secret gay life"


Does this change anything as far as the significance of this, who is to blame, who do you believe?

To me "miguel" is clearly full of **** and no real journalist would give him any credence the way univision did. I can't believe the FBI however that so many saw the killer at Pulse and on hookup apps and turned in their phones, yet they're all mistaken. I think clearly the FBI is lying about that and i agree with the end:

"Cedeno said he did not contact police to tell them about his contact with Mateen, because some of his friends who did had their phones taken and were told not to talk to reporters. He said he doesn’t trust the FBI to investigate Mateen, given they questioned him in 2013 and again in 2014, placed him on a terrorist watch list but then removed him from the list.

“They let him go. They let him do this massacre. They could have arrested him. It just does not add up,” Cedeno said."
 

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Re: FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lo

FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lovers - LA Times

"On Tuesday, Univision aired a report in which “Miguel,” a man wearing a disguise to conceal his identity, alleged he had sex with Mateen after meeting him on the gay dating app, Grindr.

But investigators do not consider the man’s account credible...

So far, they have found no photographs, no text messages, no smartphone apps, no gay pornography and no cell-tower location data to suggest that Mateen — who was twice married to women and had a young son — conducted a secret gay life"


Does this change anything as far as the significance of this, who is to blame, who do you believe?

To me "miguel" is clearly full of **** and no real journalist would give him any credence the way univision did. I can't believe the FBI however that so many saw the killer at Pulse and on hookup apps and turned in their phones, yet they're all mistaken. I think clearly the FBI is lying about that and i agree with the end:

"Cedeno said he did not contact police to tell them about his contact with Mateen, because some of his friends who did had their phones taken and were told not to talk to reporters. He said he doesn’t trust the FBI to investigate Mateen, given they questioned him in 2013 and again in 2014, placed him on a terrorist watch list but then removed him from the list.

“They let him go. They let him do this massacre. They could have arrested him. It just does not add up,” Cedeno said."

I think that if the FBI information is true it strengthens the position that this attack was rooted in actual terrorism.

That his primary motivation was to strike out against a segment of the population reviled by many members of Islam, radical or otherwise. (Note: For the record I recognize there are quite a few members of both the Catholic and Protestant faiths who revile this minority group as well). That is was meant to be a response to the call for action posted by ISIS/ISIL and/or other terrorist opponents of the USA.

Still, I don't think it detracts from the argument that he may have had personal motivations for selecting this particular minority group rather than some other target. Perhaps a counter to self-loathing of desires, or simply hatred of a group considered debased sinners.

I have a healthy suspicion of our government security agencies, but I am not ready to assume the FBI is intentionally hiding facts from us in this regard.
 

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So basically when I called bull**** I was right. Good to know. Of course, I'm pretty good at being able to see through that kind of stuff.
 

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Re: FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lo

So basically when I called bull**** I was right. Good to know. Of course, I'm pretty good at being able to see through that kind of stuff.

Not necessarily. If he deleted the apps then they're not going to get anything from his cellphone and we all know how well the FBI handles cellphones anyway. I'm not at all convinced that the FBI is even capable of handling this investigation especially considering the fact that they bungled the job twice before.
 

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Not necessarily. If he deleted the apps then they're not going to get anything from his cellphone and we all know how well the FBI handles cellphones anyway. I'm not at all convinced that the FBI is even capable of handling this investigation especially considering the fact that they bungled the job twice before.

You libs are really dedicated to this he was gay line of reasoning, aren't you? Even if he did use the apps it still wouldn't prove orientation. Your evidence was thin from the beginning and it's looking like was pretty much baseless. Deal with it.
 

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Re: FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lo

You libs are really dedicated to this he was gay line of reasoning, aren't you? Even if he did use the apps it still wouldn't prove orientation. You're evidence was thin and weak from the beginning and it's looking like it was pretty much baseless. Deal with it.

Evidence that he was linked to ISIS in any way, shape, or form is non-existent. That is the reality you need to deal with. There are witnesses who place him at the bar and as a user of various gay hookup apps on many occasions over many years. That needs to be investigated thoroughly and from what I've read the FBI hasn't done that yet.
 

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Re: FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lo

Evidence that he was linked to ISIS in any way, shape, or form is non-existent. That is the reality you need to deal with. There are witnesses who place him at the bar and as a user of various gay hookup apps on many occasions over many years. That needs to be investigated thoroughly and from what I've read the FBI hasn't done that yet.

I never said he was connected to ISIS. :shrug:

You do realize neither of those prove he was gay, right? Straight men sometimes go to gay bars and anyone can use an app. I'm sorry, but you're never going to prove anything with either of those things.
 

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Anyway, why are liberals all of a sudden claiming that behavior proves orientation when for years they were saying that orientation can't be proven by behavior? WTF?

As soon as a Muslim guy attacks gays the liberals forget about an argument they made for years and claim that the Muslim guy was gay because he visited a gay bar and used some apps. Seriously, can you guys be more transparent?
 

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I didn't think so, seemed like he was "gathering intelligence" rather than dating, he might have even been killing homosexuals one at a time for years now
 

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Re: FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lo

I never said he was connected to ISIS. :shrug: You do realize neither of those prove he was gay, right? Straight men sometimes go to gay bars and anyone can use an app. I'm sorry, but you're never going to prove anything with either of those things.

The witness testimony is evidence. Any conversations had via the apps could be archived and would provide insights into what he was doing on them. Straight men don't use apps such as Grindr unless they're "straight."
 

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The witness testimony is evidence. Any conversations had via the apps could be archived and would provide insights into what he was doing on them. Straight men don't use apps such as Grindr unless they're "straight."

So according to you behavior proves orientation? You seem out of step with your liberal friends on that.

Btw, app use really doesn't prove anything. Yes, it's weird and unusual if he used such apps and was indeed straight, but it still doesn't prove anything.
 

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Re: FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lo

So according to you behavior proves orientation? You seem out of step with your liberal friends on that.

Sexual orientation is not a behavior, but it is expressed through behavior. Mateen wasn't heterosexual if he was using these apps to get his jollies. He could have been bisexual or even homosexual.

Btw, app use really doesn't prove anything. Yes, it's weird and unusual if he used such apps and was indeed straight, but it still doesn't prove anything.

It depends on how he used it. The witness testimony is that he used them for hooking up.
 

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Re: FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lo

I didn't think so, seemed like he was "gathering intelligence" rather than dating, he might have even been killing homosexuals one at a time for years now

i said from the start that unless there's a smoking gun like a *credible* (not "miguel") former lover, the apps don't prove a thing. In the article the guy they interview even said he blocked the killer because he would only talk. In russia this is a common tactic by homophobic brutes to lure someone in. Unlike russia he could just go to the nearest gay hangout and slaughter everyone, once he was ready for 'jihad'

but still, what doesn't add up is the FBI saying they were all "mistaken", they all turned their phones in believing they talked to the killer and it wasn't? Someone is lying
 

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It depends on how he used it. The witness testimony is that he used them for hooking up.

what witness has come forward saying they hooked up with the killer, other than the highly not credible "miguel"? If anything all i've seen is guys saying they blocked him because all he'd do is talk
 

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The witness testimony is evidence. Any conversations had via the apps could be archived and would provide insights into what he was doing on them. Straight men don't use apps such as Grindr unless they're "straight."

or they're a sadistic killer looking for gay victims
 

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or they're a sadistic killer looking for gay victims

I don't know about that, but serial killers have used dating sites to find victims before.
 

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i think if anything the FBI would want it to seem a crime of passion against jaded lovers rather than a premeditated act of terror they could've prevented with a little surveillance. However, that just makes 0 sense. Why did he spare "miguel" or the other lover(s) for instance, which conceivably he could've fled the scene and survived?

this is like a guy gets cheated on by his wife, so he spares her and goes to shoot up a random bar, it just defies even deranged logic
 

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Re: FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lo

i said from the start that unless there's a smoking gun like a *credible* (not "miguel") former lover, the apps don't prove a thing. In the article the guy they interview even said he blocked the killer because he would only talk. In russia this is a common tactic by homophobic brutes to lure someone in. Unlike russia he could just go to the nearest gay hangout and slaughter everyone, once he was ready for 'jihad'

but still, what doesn't add up is the FBI saying they were all "mistaken", they all turned their phones in believing they talked to the killer and it wasn't? Someone is lying

Unless your suggesting the FBI is covering something up for whatever reason, than its probably best too assume theyre right. it was probably just mistaken identity or he might have been plotting the attack or even been killing people for years. Either way he shouldn't be ostracized he was raised in america he wasn't brainwashed or hypnotized, everyone seems to be playing the "he's not one of us" game, lately.
 

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Unless your suggesting the FBI is covering something up for whatever reason, than its probably best too assume theyre right. it was probably just mistaken identity or he might have been plotting the attack or even been killing people for years. Either way he shouldn't be ostracized he was raised in america he wasn't brainwashed or hypnotized, everyone seems to be playing the "he's not one of us" game, lately.

what? They are coming forward saying he was gay, he was one of us. It's the FBI and his extremist parent saying he wasn't. What i find outrageous and really insulting is these major media giving any shred of legitimacy to the suggestion by his fake ex lover that the motive had nothing to do with homophobia or religious extremism, that it was just a lover's quarrel. Others were quick to exclusively blame mental illness such as borderline personality. That is something that needs to be disavowed. The victims deserve truth and we need to expose just how dangerous this hateful rhetoric that he grew up around can be
 

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what? They are coming forward saying he was gay, he was one of us. It's the FBI and his extremist parent saying he wasn't. What i find outrageous and really insulting is these major media giving any shred of legitimacy to the suggestion by his fake ex lover that the motive had nothing to do with homophobia or religious extremism, that it was just a lover's quarrel. Others were quick to exclusively blame mental illness such as borderline personality. That is something that needs to be disavowed. The victims deserve truth and we need to expose just how dangerous this hateful rhetoric that he grew up around can be

no the conservatives are saying "hes a muslim so hes not of us, this was an attack on america". And the liberal side is saying "no he was raised in america he was right conservative who hated gays because he was a closeted homosexual (not one of us) himself just like the rest of you gay bashing homphobes" lol :2razz:
 

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no the conservatives are saying "hes a muslim so hes not of us, this was an attack on america". And the liberal side is saying "no he was raised in america he was right conservative who hated gays because he was a closeted homosexual (not one of us) himself just like the rest of you gay bashing homphobes" lol :2razz:

the republicans are trying to frame it as attack on america rather than lgbt because, as i said in the other thread, they wish to avoid blame for how they have treated lgbt and avoid responsibility for correcting that. And yeah of course if they can capitalize on hatred of muslims and immigrants they will do so

i don't see how the liberal view you present is erroneously guilty of "not one of us." I mean i don't see any evidence the killer was liberal or would endorse liberal policies, whether he was gay or not. What the democrats (not liberals) are doing though is trying to pretend he wasn't even muslim, which is just a stupidity on the level of trying to finger paint with feces. Not only do they risk losing support of lgbt and the large % of democrats who already wished to see muslims ban from the country, but the killer was *clearly* most obviously muslim. Who the hell could fall for tactics like trying to conceal ISIS references on the 911?
 

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What the democrats (not liberals) are doing though is trying to pretend he wasn't even muslim, which is just a stupidity on the level of trying to finger paint with feces. Not only do they risk losing support of lgbt and the large % of democrats who already wished to see muslims ban from the country, but the killer was *clearly* most obviously muslim. Who the hell could fall for tactics like trying to conceal ISIS references on the 911?

theres no difference between Protestants and Catholics, Sunnis and Shias, or even Christians and Muslims.
 
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