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[W:#7536]FBI executes search warrant at Trump's Mar-a-Lago, former President says

The house wasn't "stormed"? The FBI 'politely' knocked on the door, the door was answered/opened without any damage whatsoever to the port of entry, and the FBI 'walked' into the house to do their job like civil professionals. Why post a falsehood that clearly makes 'you' appear to be both deceitful and "desperate"?
and the agents in the water ,and the air cover, and the tac gear..
 
I'm confused, do I believe this person, or an armchair security specialist on DP?

 
I think you people overuse that concept. When everything you don't like is a conspiracy theory the accusation just doesn't have the same impact.
It's all one big farce, and the GOP and Trump fans on social media (like this one) are leading it. It's like watching a Monty Python movie. The madman, whom you elected president and want as president again, took files from the National Archives and stored them in his resort, frequented by foreign workers and guests. When a senior Justice Department national security supervisor and three FBI agents" visited "to discuss” boxes with government records, they are situated in a basement storage room along with suits, sweaters and golf shoes My God, it's actually great fun! And then during the raid, these idiots stand outside (at least those who live on state aid and can get away quickly) with their red caps. Three quarters of an hour later (without knowing anything about anything), the entire Republican Party representatives stand behind statements calling the repossession of state property communist propaganda and political persecution and the conspiracy theories flows. They do this on a chat service (twitter). And in the middle of the serious, like documents about nuclear weapons programs and spy reports on representatives of allied countries (Macron) there are love letters from the world's worst dictator (Kim Jong-un) (I can see Trump dancing with them and kissing them in affection)

How crazy can it get? Great great fun!



And yet the European newspapers only write the absolute latest, Instead the US news is topped by Salman Rushdie.
 
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It's all one big farce, and the GOP and Trump fans on social media (like this one) are leading it. It's like watching a Monty Python movie. The madman, whom you elected president and want as president again, took files from the National Archives and stored them in his resort, frequented by foreign workers and guests. When a senior Justice Department national security supervisor and three FBI agents" visited "to discuss” boxes with government records, they are situated in a basement storage room along with suits, sweaters and golf shoes My God, it's actually great fun! And then during the raid, these idiots stand outside (at least those who live on state aid and can get away quickly) with their red caps. Three quarters of an hour later (without knowing anything about anything), the entire Republican Party representatives stand behind statements calling the repossession of state property communist propaganda and political persecution. They do this on a chat service (twitter). And in the middle of the serious, like documents about nuclear weapons programs and spy reports on representatives of allied countries (Macron) there are love letters from the world's worst dictator (Kim Jong-un) (I can see Trump dancing with them and kissing them in affection)

How crazy can it get? Great great fun!



And yet the European newspapers only write the absolute latest, Instead the US news is topped by Salman Rushdie.
Well the left is jumping up and down pulling their hair out because Trump has documents he's supposed to have. They've been known about for months.

It's the Steele dossier all over again.
 
How crazy can it get? Great great fun!
Makes it hard to remember that governing and law & order is serious business, necessarily led by serious people.
 
Well the left is jumping up and down pulling their hair out because Trump has documents he's supposed to have. They've been known about for months.

It's the Steele dossier all over again.
You do realize that this post of yours just add to the crazy?
 
Makes it hard to remember that governing and law & order is serious business, necessarily led by serious people.
Yes, and the fact that you only have 2 parties, so that when one goes bunkers ´, promoting dictatorship (the insurrection and voter suppression) and putting forward an old man, either suffering from dementia or just from being a total nuttier, you do not have much choice left.
 
and the agents in the water ,and the air cover, and the tac gear..
So? That doesn't change the 'fact' that anyone who claims Mar-a-Largo was "stormed" by the FBI is posting a blatant fallacy. Most likely due to bigly butthurt from knowing Trump isn't above the law ( as he mistakenly thinks he is ), and is being held accountable for his actions. Do you not think adults should be held accountable for their personal actions and behaviors? If not, why not?
 
No, you are pretending to understand classification authority but you are simply ignorant.

As I have stated before, the POTUS has complete classification authority. If he deemed the documents were following him to private life then they are deemed declassified.

The same rule doesn't apply in reverse, because there are actual limitations on what can and can't be classified, and a process that must be conducted to deem information as classified.

The reason for this should be simple to understand. The act of classification is an abridgement of the first amendment, and so only under certain circumstances is information classified. The President couldn't classify the novel 50 Shades of Grey and then start arresting 50 year old women for owning a copy, for instance.

So, due in part to explicit constitutional authority and explicit constitutional constraints, the absolute power of the president to declassify is total, but the power to classify is not.
That's not how this works.
This argument is ****ing beyond stupid
 
there are indeed procedures to be followed when making those kinds of decisions.
it might be wise of a president to follow them, so as to get the proper advice.
but he doesn't have to do so.

You are BS us!

Here is one example of federal law that even the president has to follow.


(f)
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.


Notice that it applies even to documents that are not classified.
 
the president can classify and declassify whatever he wishes and however he wishes.
the processes that do exist apply to the presdients subordinates, not to the president.

BTW-- the concern about the top secret documents is valid. But the DOJ faced the same issue in 2016 and permitted Mrs. Clinton to skate.
No he can't. That's not how this works. Just gonna make shit up isn't gonna work in the court of law.

There is a process that has been shown by people who work in the field that know more about this than you or I.
 
there are indeed limits to power.
however, in our system, the president, and only the president, is vested with executive authority.
It is the executive that sets foreign policy and makes national security decisions for the country.
there is nobody in the executive branch who has a source of power in opposition to the president.
No congress is the stop gap for potus in all things. Scotus is the stop gap for congress.

He can't retroactively or at the time declassify things because he feels like it. There is a process.
 
there are indeed procedures to be followed when making those kinds of decisions.
it might be wise of a president to follow them, so as to get the proper advice.
but he doesn't have to do so.
Yes...yes he does.
 
yep-- they are seeking to use law enforcement as a political weapon.
heck even if its true that trump had all this classified information sitting in a box in mar-a lago, and even if its true he had never declassified them, we have already been through this back in 2016.
and the doj said then its not worth prosecuting.
Well again that's not true either. Reality winner seems to think this is different and she didn't have 35 boxes of things.

All i see is trump tossing out an excuse and his little tag alongs run with it. It takes 10 seconds to destroy this argument.

Had this been the case he would have stated this over a year ago and not given back the 15 boxes as of June.

You guys fall for the dumbest things because you think you are smarter than everyone here on legal issues.
 
The man lives in a world of chaos.
what probably happened was that he never packed after election day (he 'won' after all and somehow that will all become apparent). So why bother?
after the riot he probably went into overdrive packing things up, which is how one winds up with a box of allegedly classifed information along with a personal note from presdient macron
A grown ass man typed this out. Wow
 
there was no concealment .
Were these "goverment records" or presidential papers is what was being negotiated,and returned earlier by subpoena
That's not what happened
 
I have not decided yet if it is funny or sad to see so many people whoring their logic out to support Trump
 
Yes...yes he does.

Notice that nobody among Trump's puppets contemplates that if Trump can declassify a document with a single thought without following any procedure then Biden can classify it also in the same way without the need to present any evidence.
 
Notice that nobody among Trump's puppets contemplates that if Trump can declassify a document with a single thought without following any procedure then Biden can classify it also in the same way without the need to present any evidence.


I give you this thread from Twitter.

If I'm understanding it correctly trump tried to declassify crossfire hurricane ( Mueller shit) and couldn't get it done. Then he later claims he did declassify these things and took them down to Mal to do whatever with them. .

But they aren't declassified because Grassley and another wrote to the doj that they wanted to know why it wasn't done back in Oct of 21.

So the argument trump( or president) can declassify whatever he wants when he wants depends on the steps taken and if it's signed off on by other people.

The argument athanasius is posting is in reality pure bullshit.
 
A grown ass-kissing man typed this out. Wow

Fixed it for you

Brown-noses come in different ages


I give you this thread from Twitter.

If I'm understanding it correctly trump tried to declassify crossfire hurricane ( Mueller shit) and couldn't get it done. Then he later claims he did declassify these things and took them down to Mal to do whatever with them. .

But they aren't declassified because Grassley and another wrote to the doj that they wanted to know why it wasn't done back in Oct of 21.

So the argument trump( or president) can declassify whatever he wants when he wants depends on the steps taken and if it's signed off on by other people.

The argument athanasius is posting is in reality pure bullshit.


thanks,

Notice also the code I posted earlier (#7,035) which applies even to documents that are not classified.
 
Fixed it for you

Brown-noses come in different ages


thanks,

Notice also the code I posted earlier (#7,035) which applies even to documents that are not classified.
Had this been just like some photos of people he met or his letter with Kim people would find it dumb but he wouldn't be in this legal hotwater
 
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