FBI can activate your android phone's microphone.

[Black Dog]

If asking you to backup a claim is putting words offensively in your mouth, then you are far too sensitive.

I did not make any claim. I posted an article talking about the FBI etc using hacking technology. I then mentioned at least the FBI is getting warrants. That's it. You are the one that went off the deep end before reading the article.

They HAVE done that (and no not 9-11, there are enough debates on that topic), but that wasn't what I was talking about, I was talking about Democide on a larger scale than anything the us had done to make it the leadin cause of death worldwide.

That makes no sense at all.

Non-sequitar, but if you insist, yes, the us runs Alquaida.

I rest my case.

1- critical infrastructure is not hooked up to Internet, at most equipment is wired into the local intranet within the facility.

2- all three of those articles beyond the false claim dealt with 1, deal in hyperbole and people that stole credit card info and people's emails... The emails are a threat to national security only because it exposes criminality within government / corporate organizations.

Yea of course. And the US runs Al Qaeda, lol.

Instead of dismissing the NYTimes etc out of hand... Why don't you post some proof.

Meaning 2/3 of my posts are not dealing with conspiracy theories... Oh, and oddly enough, I had been talking about this type of wiretapping for roughly ten years while you call it conspiracy theory... And now it comes out a accurate and I'm still wrong because you buy into the spin that makes it acceptable.

It's not wiretapping per say as it involves more than that, more like overall surveillance. And of course everyone has been talking about this tech for the last 20 years. I am a retired tech. We were talking about it before you could read I would bet. No conspiracy there. As for your 1/3rd, in the "Conspiracy Forums" that is talking about conspiracies?

I never said I was worried, that's you putting words in my mouth, and not in the form of a question.

You just accused the US government of controlling Al Qaeda, and basically genocide, but you're not worried, LMAO!

Speaking of questions, you still never said what conspiracy theory I allegedly (alleged by you) have brought up?

Accusing the FBI of tapping peoples phones without a warrant.

What I said was that Democide was the number one cause of death worldwide over the past century alone, with the implication that governments do not act in a trustworthy manner more often then not based on historical precedence, but even this is only barely within the scope of the point... Which, given all your apparent difficulties expressing yourself, I still don't know what your point was??

I was passing on information, that was the point. Nothing more. You assumed incorrectly I was making some kind of point about, who knows I mean you think Al Qaeda, is controlled by the US.

Perhaps, if you don't want to discuss a topic that you not create a thread on that topic, or at least express what the point is that you are trying to make...

I want to discuss it. What I don't want to discuss is asinine questions that have no basis in fact due to no evidence.

 

[505]

What I said was that Democide was the number one cause of death worldwide over the past century alone...

Yay, another stat that I am SURE you can't back up. If you try, keep in mind that heart disease and cancer BOTH kill nearly 600,000 people EACH... every year... in the US ALONE. I'd settle for you showing democide being responsible for that many deaths worldwide over the century. Knowing you though, you never back up your claims, so I won't hold my breath.

 

[505]

Funny, now when you read this one article in isolation, fine, you sound right...

...but, when you take 10 other articles that all say the same basic thing you can finally see the "big picture".

And the "big picture" is that the gov is evil and mass murders it's citizens and is generally just OUT TO GET US.

[/Mcfly-Jones-tinfoil mode]

 

[BmanMcfly]

I did not make any claim. I posted an article talking about the FBI etc using hacking technology. I then mentioned at least the FBI is getting warrants. That's it. You are the one that went off the deep end before reading the article.

The one comment you added was "at least they are getting warrants".

That makes no sense at all.

Tuskegee experiments, to cite one example.

I rest my case.

You don't have a case to rest....


[quite]
Yea of course. And the US runs Al Qaeda, lol.

Instead of dismissing the NYTimes etc out of hand... Why don't you post some proof.[/quote]

http://newsone.com/1205745/cia-osama-bin-laden-al-qaeda/

That's when it started, well, it started before that, but that was all through conquest then business deals when conquest proved impossible... But that's hundreds if not thousands of years of history...

Anyway, so, bin laden gets funded by the CIA, through Pakistani Isi, to repel the Russian invasion.

Then, Sibel Edmonds released that bin laden was in the CIA employ up until 9-11.

Flash forward to Benghazi it just came out the past week that the whole thing was an arms deal gone wrong (stinger missiles), where the security they hired was allied with Alquaida, ad back stabbed them, and the stand down orders were confirmed.

It's not wiretapping per say as it involves more than that, more like overall surveillance. And of course everyone has been talking about this tech for the last 20 years. I am a retired tech. We were talking about it before you could read I would bet. No conspiracy there. As for your 1/3rd, in the "Conspiracy Forums" that is talking about conspiracies?

Ya, when the web was developed it was jokingly called the "world wide wiretap". That said, ten years ago your position was the exception, you cannot deny that with any honesty.

As for the Last point, most of that 1/3 was trying to bring issues such as these to the forefront but the mere topic being called "conspiracy theories", even when showing documentation... But now that everything is public knowledge well, it's not conspiracy theories.

You just accused the US government of controlling Al Qaeda, and basically genocide, but you're not worried, LMAO!

No, because while I probably will not survive, the evil will burn itself out and the survivors will make a society that you could only barely imagine... But it's really not bad YET.

Accusing the FBI of tapping peoples phones without a warrant.

You really bought into that, wow, ok, here's how it works. Everything you do electronically is tracked, then that evidence is used to get a proper warrant using that information in an investigation, remember if I am labelled a "terrorist" for my "thought crimes", because you had interaction with me online, you are potentially to be treated as though you were aiding and abetting terrorists.... I doubt that will happen, at least not anytime soon, but that's what's going on.

I was passing on information, that was the point. Nothing more. You assumed incorrectly I was making some kind of point about, who knows I mean you think Al Qaeda, is controlled by the US.

You made the comment about warrants, which you deny and continue with your logically fallacious arguments.

I want to discuss it. What I don't want to discuss is asinine questions that have no basis in fact due to no evidence.

Just whistleblowers coming out and adding the pieces of each one together. Admissions, btw count as evidence, except when obtained under duress.

 

[Jango]

So it took them till now to realize they can just hack these things?

Probably not. More likely is that it took this long for someone in the media to pick up the story.

 

[Ikari]

Because no evidence has been presented to claim such. All government agencies are not the same.

Please, they were violating the Patriot Act left and right, and that thing lets the government do just about anything. FBI is just as corrupt and abusive as all the other branches.

 

[jamesrage]

Because no evidence has been presented to claim such.

And before anyone said anything about the NSA and DEA there was no evidence that they were acting in a unconstitutional manner.

All government agencies are not the same.

All government agencies are ran by the government.

 

[GottaGo]

Or you could just not have sex. or even better, put it near the PC and let gay midget pr0n running while you're out shopping for groceries. Check-mate FBI!

Run an audio book of War & Peace next to it...... :wink:

 

[davidtaylorjr]

FBI can activate your android phone's microphone.

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The Wall Street Journal reports that based on court documents and interviews with people involved with federal agencies, law enforcement officials in the U.S. are resorting to tools typically used by hackers to gather information on suspects. Use of these tools under court order has grown as suspects look for new ways to communicate including various types of chat and encryption tools.

Sources said that the FBI has been developing its own hacking tools for more than a decade, but also purchases them from the private sector. One such tool allows the agency to remotely activate microphones on Android-based devices to record conversations. This same tool can also remotely access the microphone of a laptop to record conversations unknowing by the device owner. - FBI Can Activate Your Android Phone's Microphone

At least the FBI, is getting warrants to use the technology.

Not shocking, yet beyond ridiculous!

 

[Black Dog]

Please, they were violating the Patriot Act left and right, and that thing lets the government do just about anything. FBI is just as corrupt and abusive as all the other branches.

Put forth some evidence the FBI is doing warrantless hacks. Otherwise you can keep speculating all you like.

 

[Black Dog]

And before anyone said anything about the NSA and DEA there was no evidence that they were acting in a unconstitutional manner.

And yet it was exposed and now we have evidence.

All government agencies are ran by the government.

This does not make all government agencies bad or doing something illegal.

 

[Black Dog]

Not shocking, yet beyond ridiculous!

Why is it "beyond ridiculous!" sounds like a new Jackass movie....

Jackass! Beyond ridiculous! Opens this November, lol.

 

[davidtaylorjr]

Why is it "beyond ridiculous!" sounds like a new Jackass movie....

Jackass! Beyond ridiculous! Opens this November, lol.

That they can hack into people's phones like that. Glad I don't have an android

 

[Ikari]

Put forth some evidence the FBI is doing warrantless hacks. Otherwise you can keep speculating all you like.

Spying by the Numbers: Hundreds of Thousands Subject to Government Surveillance and No Real Protection | Bill Quigley

Hundreds of thousands of people in the US have been subject to government surveillance in each of the last few years. This is much more widespread than those in power want to admit. In the last three years alone about 5,000 requests have been granted for complete electronic surveillance authorized by the secret FISA court. The FBI has authorized another 50,000 surveillance operations with National Security Letters in the last three years. The government admits that well over 300,000 people have had their phone calls intercepted by state and federal wiretaps in the last year alone. More than 50,000 government requests for Internet information are received each year as reported by Internet providers. And, remember, these are the publicly reported numbers so you can be confident there is a whole lot more going on which has not been publicly reported.

FBI National Security Letters (NSL) Scoop Up Information Court Approval Not Needed

With a NSL letter the FBI can demand financial records from any institution from banks to casinos and phone companies and internet providers. They can be required to produce all telephone records, subscriber information, credit reports, employment information, and all email records of the target as well as the email addresses and screen names for anyone who has contacted that account. The reason is supposed to be for foreign counterintelligence. There is no requirement for court approval at all.

Mark Udall 'Extremely Concerned' About Warrantless Email Searches

Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) said Thursday he was "extremely concerned" over revelations that the FBI continues to believe it can conduct warrantless email searches despite a federal appeals court's ruling that they are unconstitutional.

FBI, Telecoms Teamed to Breach Wiretap Laws | Threat Level | Wired.com

The FBI and telecom companies collaborated to routinely violate federal wiretapping laws for four years, as agents got access to reporters’ and citizens’ phone records using fake emergency declarations or simply asking for them.

And so on and so forth. FBI is government, government is not trustworthy.

FBI Audit Exposes Widespread Abuse Of Patriot Act Powers | American Civil Liberties Union

Remember that? When it came out that the FBI was abusing the Patriot Act. Probably still is, likely they're just better at controlling the information, preventing it from getting to us.

 

[Black Dog]

That they can hack into people's phones like that. Glad I don't have an android

Hehehe! Well the Chinese can also hack into certain phones. Don't remember which ones.

 

[Black Dog]

Spying by the Numbers: Hundreds of Thousands Subject to Government Surveillance and No Real Protection | Bill Quigley


Mark Udall 'Extremely Concerned' About Warrantless Email Searches

FBI, Telecoms Teamed to Breach Wiretap Laws | Threat Level | Wired.com

And so on and so forth. FBI is government, government is not trustworthy.

FBI Audit Exposes Widespread Abuse Of Patriot Act Powers | American Civil Liberties Union

Remember that? When it came out that the FBI was abusing the Patriot Act. Probably still is, likely they're just better at controlling the information, preventing it from getting to us.

Being untrustworthy is not evidence of a crime. As in this case.

 

[Ikari]

Being untrustworthy is not evidence of a crime. As in this case.

Yes, but I listed sources of continued warrantless searching and abuses of the patriot act, so the untrustworthy part is that we should have expected this to happen without proper control, and we have not had proper control for quite some time. Of course the FBI engages in warrantless searches, and all sorts of other shady mumbo jumbo, much of it the government just declares legal. Whether it is Constitutional or not...well they're not so much into that answer. They just define their powers as greater than before and run away with it.

 

[Black Dog]

Yes, but I listed sources of continued warrantless searching and abuses of the patriot act, so the untrustworthy part is that we should have expected this to happen without proper control, and we have not had proper control for quite some time. Of course the FBI engages in warrantless searches, and all sorts of other shady mumbo jumbo, much of it the government just declares legal. Whether it is Constitutional or not...well they're not so much into that answer. They just define their powers as greater than before and run away with it.

Those are legal under the patriot act correct? Then it is not a crime.

I mean I hear what you are saying as I do not like the patriot act either, it should have never been passed. This however does let them do warrantless surveillance without a warrant in cases of suspected terrorism. The article is not talking about terrorism or warrantless uses of the technology, only that they have it and what it is used for and that in the case of crime they get a warrant.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Those are legal under the patriot act correct? Then it is not a crime.

If we pretend the constitution does not exist then sure...

I mean I hear what you are saying as I do not like the patriot act either, it should have never been passed. This however does let them do warrantless surveillance without a warrant in cases of suspected terrorism. The article is not talking about terrorism or warrantless uses of the technology, only that they have it and what it is used for and that in the case of crime they get a warrant.

So, let's pretend they passed the right f the first night again, where government officials could have your wife the first night... Would you maintain that same nonchalance ??

I find it funny how you can just ignore those other sources...

 

[Ikari]

Those are legal under the patriot act correct? Then it is not a crime.

I mean I hear what you are saying as I do not like the patriot act either, it should have never been passed. This however does let them do warrantless surveillance without a warrant in cases of suspected terrorism. The article is not talking about terrorism or warrantless uses of the technology, only that they have it and what it is used for and that in the case of crime they get a warrant.

It would be odd if the Patriot Act made it legal to abuse the Patriot Act. The FBI has gone around a lot of the checks, poor as they may be, as outlined in the wired article as well. Some of it has been defined legal by the government (big surprise there, government loves to define themselves to have more power than they really do), others are work arounds or violations of law to get the information they want.

All branches of government are feeding into the aggressive, Big Brother documentation and datamining; the FBI is no exception.

 

[Black Dog]

If we pretend the constitution does not exist then sure...

A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue.

So, let's pretend they passed the right f the first night again, where government officials could have your wife the first night... Would you maintain that same nonchalance ??

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

I find it funny how you can just ignore those other sources...

Please feel free to point out how I ignored it?

 

[Black Dog]

It would be odd if the Patriot Act made it legal to abuse the Patriot Act. The FBI has gone around a lot of the checks, poor as they may be, as outlined in the wired article as well. Some of it has been defined legal by the government (big surprise there, government loves to define themselves to have more power than they really do), others are work arounds or violations of law to get the information they want.

All branches of government are feeding into the aggressive, Big Brother documentation and datamining; the FBI is no exception.

This has little to do with my point, post or even the article. It is more of an "I don't trust government" thing than anything else.

 

[Ikari]

This has little to do with my point, post or even the article. It is more of an "I don't trust government" thing than anything else.

No, you said that the FBI didn't engage in warrantless searches. And I supplied a few sources which dispute that. They not only use warrantless searches, they go beyond that to rampant abuse of the Patriot Act, to teaming up with companies to bypass court oversight, etc.

 

[Black Dog]

No, you said that the FBI didn't engage in warrantless searches.

No I didn't say any such thing. I said there is no evidence that they are using hacks (as in the article) without a warrant.

And I supplied a few sources which dispute that. They not only use warrantless searches, they go beyond that to rampant abuse of the Patriot Act, to teaming up with companies to bypass court oversight, etc.

No. You have shown evidence of legal wiretaps etc under the patriot act. You and I just disagree with it. It does not however make it illegal.

 

[Ikari]

NNo. You have shown evidence of legal wiretaps etc under the patriot act. You and I just disagree with it. It does not however make it illegal.

There is an article about all the abuses of the Patriot Act the FBI committed, and the current tactics it takes to get around court oversight, and their history of warrantless searches.