Fauci warns coronavirus could kill as many as 200,000 Americans

[Dayton3]

Dr. Fauci likes making headlines. It is his few days in the sun.

See. That's not so bad.

 

[eman623]

Yes, each and every virus has entirely new propagation rules.

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In Italy the mortality rate is running about 10%. In China it's 3%. In So. Korea it's 1.5%. What will it be here?

Trick question. No one knows. We probably won't know until the end of the year.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Dr. Fauci likes making headlines. It is his few days in the sun.

I knew you guys would toss him under the bus. :lol:

 

[uptower]

STAGGERING DEATH RATES IN ITALY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The flu kills has 200% more people in Italy per year, but you say STAGGERING DEATH RATES IN ITALY!

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(19)30328-5/fulltext

Link to your previous "STAGGERING DEATH RATES IN ITALY" from the flu. You can't.

Panic fear and hate make people extraordinarily STUPID, mentally and psychologically crippled, and can be very dangerous or very worthless.

Death rates in Italy are high because Italy has one of the most aged populations in the world. #2 at 22% of the population. Only Japan is higher (other than I believe no statistics about anything from China.)

Which Country Has the Oldest Population? It Depends on How You Define ‘Old.’ – Population Reference Bureau
But to be the good mindless Democrat progressives a person also has to claim that age is no longer a relevant factor, right? As Joe Biden said, Democrats will not longer accept facts.

That said, covid-19 COULD get bad. It potentially COULD even get as bad as the flu. I bet Fauci loves the money pouring into the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, don't you think? Why would he want that money raining down on his organization slowed down?

In all of this, it takes usually only takes seconds of thought to see the obvious economic profit motives.

Yes, staggering death rates. And save the immature graphics for a less serious thread.

Italy lost almost a thousand people two days ago and nearly 800 yesterday. Spain: over 800 two days running. Nothing out there at the moment kills that fast.

Granted it affects older people more acutely, so do a lot of things. There's no pretending anymore that this is not much worse than the flu. There's no reason to ignore the warnings of experts anymore just because twump says everything will be fine by Easter.

As for scientists fearmongering to get more grant money - that's a tired old right-wing myth that needs to be put to bed. It's garbage now and has always been.

 

[uptower]

I knew you guys would toss him under the bus. :lol:

Of course they were going to. The moment he contradicted Trump's 'stable genius' he became a target. It didn't help that the media hammed up the distance between them, making him stand out even more; it didn't help that they've always distrusted scientists.

And it's so convenient to pretend 'nobody knows' because they don't have 100% certainty, or that Fauci's in it for the attention, or for the funding. This is just right-wing projection - because Trumpists don't know jack, don't want to learn and are always in it for the money.

Well, Fauci and his team know a $hit ton more than the rest of us so we should be listening. It's threads like this that truly show the disconnect between Trumpism and reality, and the ability of his personality cult to abandon all reason. Anyone who disagrees in the slightest becomes an enemy, even an expert in the middle of an epidemic.

/rant

 

[Hamish Howl]

Of course they were going to. The moment he contradicted Trump's 'stable genius' he became a target. It didn't help that the media hammed up the distance between them, making him stand out even more; it didn't help that they've always distrusted scientists.

And it's so convenient to pretend 'nobody knows' because they don't have 100% certainty, or that Fauci's in it for the attention, or for the funding. This is just right-wing projection - because Trumpists don't know jack, don't want to learn and are always in it for the money.

Well, Fauci and his team know a $hit ton more than the rest of us so we should be listening.

Yeah, but that is just allowing the universe to ignore our exceptionalism.

 

[Decypher]

I knew you guys would toss him under the bus. :lol:

Yep. Yesterday Rush said Trump shouldn’t be listening to these deep state, unelected, so-called experts so here we are today.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Yep. Yesterday Rush said Trump shouldn’t be listening to these deep state, unelected, so-called experts so here we are today.

Yep. This is like watching the Titanic back up for another run at the iceberg.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Dude doesn't believe in expertise. Just whatever Trump tells him.

It's a sickness.

There isn't a person on this earth than can be 100% spot on when working with probables.

So why don't you put your wee wee back in your pants......nobody is impressed.

 

[apdst]

He's better equipped to assess this than you are.

Are you a doctor?

 

[Hamish Howl]

There isn't a person on this earth than can be 100% spot on when working with probables.

So why don't you put your wee wee back in your pants......nobody is impressed.

And the response of Limbaugh, which you are defending, is to throw out all expertise.

Unbelievable.

 

[apdst]

Willful ignorance much? Come on we know COVID is a SARS strain, itself something not unlike influenza. There are decades of scientific modeling behind this - enough so that predictions can be made.

Looking at the staggering death toll in Italy - go on, tell us almost a thousand people would have died of the common flu in a single day - it is easy to imagine that if left unchecked, the disease could do that and worse. Thankfully it's a worst-case scenario that probably presupposes inaction. As it is, with everyone doing all they can to stop it (with the exception perhaps of one disengaged orange buffoon) it won't get that bad.

But when an infectious diseases expert says it could get that bad, he knows what he's talking about. And come on, we all know this. Trump doesn't need to be protected that badly.

Well sure, anyone can guess. :lamo

It's irresponsible, with the panic we're seeing, to guess about potential deaths.

 

[Jay Falcon]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...Perfection.

I mean, it's stupid, but perfection of absolute idiocy is still a kind of perfection.

Takes idiocy and stupid to a new level.

 

[RetiredUSN]

And the response of Limbaugh, which you are defending, is to throw out all expertise.

Unbelievable.

I don't listen to Rush.

I used to years ago, but then he became as boring as you.....although much more intelligent.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I don't listen to Rush.

I used to years ago, but then he became as boring as you.....although much more intelligent.

You know where the ignore button is, kid.

 

[Jay Falcon]

Dr. Fauci likes making headlines. It is his few days in the sun.

That's pretty low even for a Trump supporter. No, wait, that's just in line with what a Trump supporter would say. Keep up the good work.

 

[uptower]

Well sure, anyone can guess. :lamo

It's irresponsible, with the panic we're seeing, to guess about potential deaths.

Fauci is not 'anyone' and he's not 'guessing'. He's the nation's leading expert and he's making a worst-case prediction. That prediction is based on the latest modeling data. Yes, nobody knows 'for sure' but what we do know and what Fauci is trying to hammer home is that it is bad, and it will get worse before it gets better.

If it prompts people to take action to prevent it getting that bad, so much the better, but dismissing knowledge at this point does not make one look smart.

 

[RetiredUSN]

You know where the ignore button is, kid.

Why would I use the ignore button when you remind me of my 5 year old grand son who describes his fantasies it detail?

It's quite:2wave: fun to listen to.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Fauci is not 'anyone' and he's not 'guessing'. He's the nation's leading expert and he's making a worst-case prediction. That prediction is based on the latest modeling data. Yes, nobody knows 'for sure' but what we do know and what Fauci is trying to hammer home is that it is bad, and it will get worse before it gets better.

If it prompts people to take action to prevent it getting that bad, so much the better, but dismissing knowledge at this point does not make one look smart.

You are smacking your head into a brick wall.

Trump voters are incapable of processing any ideas without Trump's permission.

 

[Casper]

Fauci warns coronavirus could kill as many as 200,000 Americans | World news | The Guardian

Top US infectious disease expert cautions that figure is a ‘moving target’ that could easily be wrong

Dr Anthony Fauci, the leading US government infectious disease expert, offered a grim prediction on Sunday: the coronavirus could kill as many as 200,000 Americans.

“I mean, looking at what we’re seeing now, I would say between 100,000 and 200,000 … deaths,” Fauci told CNN’s State of the Union, though he added: “I just don’t think that we really need to make a projection, when it’s such a moving target that you can so easily be wrong and mislead people.”
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According to researchers at Johns Hopkins University, by Sunday morning the US had confirmed nearly 125,000 cases of Covid-19.

I think they are underestimating the stupidity of our politicians and a sector of our society that thinks it will either never impact them or it is all an overblown hoax by the evil Liberals. Add at least 100,000 to the number of lost. The Governor if NY said it best, in two weeks, his reality will be ours. Watch and see...

 

[joko104]

In Italy the mortality rate is running about 10%. In China it's 3%. In So. Korea it's 1.5%. What will it be here?

Trick question. No one knows. We probably won't know until the end of the year.

The death rate is not 10% for Italians. What do you think the population of Italy is, 100,000 total?

Italy's number of deaths per population, not the bizarre calculating against only known infections - when it is know less than 1% infected have any notable symptoms so would not be tested.

The number of deaths in Italy is incredibly LOW and predictable for that number (10,000) anyway:

1. Italy has a huge level of travel from China into Italy and visa-versa.
2. Italy has the second highest elderly population of any country on earth.
3. Social norms of behavior are very touchy feeling. Kissing each other on the cheek and even relatives lightly kissing each other on the lips is the social norm - and this spreads infectious diseases.

The death rate of every country proves this panic is completely concocted and unwarranted. But Democrats want lots and lots of people to die - and live in fantasy not reality - plus the Democratic Party is the perpetual party of doom and gloom - the prophets of doom - to begin with.

It takes an IQ of 80 to look at the number of deaths compared to the population, to understand IN FACT covid-19 is less of a threat than the flu, which still is killing far more people and kills twice as many Italians each year, even with flu vaccines. Yes, people will die of covid-19. They will die of the flu. They will die of TB. They will die of hepatitis. They will die from many diseases and germs. Nothing new about it.

NOR does ANYONE care to do anything to stop this from happening every year because that would interfere with profits to the super rich and would make a roll of tape cost 9 cents more. Most people furiously insist no matter how many people get sick and die, at that matters is saving that 9 cents. And the super rich will definitely tell you 10,000 more times that nothing matters more than they getting an extra dime for a roll of tape - even death is irrelevant by comparison.

So people really should stop pretending like they give a damn because they don't - or are just so extra stupid they probably are below chimpanzees in intelligence.

 

[Jay Falcon]

The death rate is not 10% for Italians. What do you think the population of Italy is, 100,000 total?

The death rate of the virus itself, not the Italian population.

 

[Hamish Howl]

The death rate is not 10% for Italians. What do you think the population of Italy is, 100,000 total?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Visbek]

Here's a transcript of Fauci's statements.

FAUCI: We have a very difficult problem here. We have areas of the country, such as the New York area. We're going to be places like Detroit and other cities starting to get into trouble, where the curve did what exactly I said on this show and other shows some time ago.... It putters along a while, and then it just goes way up. And when it does that, you're really in full mitigation. It's very difficult to do containment.

TAPPER: Well, Dr. Birx said yesterday, as you know, that she doesn't think any city will be spared from this virus. How many cases do you think the U.S. will reach? A million cases, 10 million cases? Or are these -- we -- or do we not even have any idea?

FAUCI: You know, Jake, the honest -- to be honest with you, we don't really have any firm idea. There are things called models. And when someone creates a model, they put in various assumptions. And the model is only as good and as accurate as your assumptions. And whenever the modelers come in, they give a worst-case scenario and a best-case scenario. Generally, the reality is somewhere in the middle. I have never seen a model of the diseases that I have dealt where the worst-case scenario actually came out. They always overshoot. So, when you use numbers like a million, a million-and-a-half, two million, that almost certainly is off the chart. Now, it's not impossible, but very, very unlikely. So, it's difficult to present.

I mean, looking at what we're seeing now, I would say between 100,000 and 200,000 cases. But I don't want to be held to that, because it's -- excuse me -- deaths. I mean, we're going to have millions of cases. But I -- I just don't think that we really need to make a projection, when it's such a moving target, that you can so easily be wrong and mislead people. What we do know, Jake, is that we got a serious problem in New York, we have a serious problem in New Orleans, and we're going to be developing serious problems in other areas. So, although people like to model it, let's just look at the data of what we have, and not worry about these worst-case and best-case scenarios.
CNN.com - Transcripts

He subsequently talked about how once sufficient testing is in place, we can relax controls.

So, I suggest people take Fauci's advice: Don't treat a statement like "200,000 deaths" as an iron-clad guarantee, rather it's a basic idea of what could happen. What's more important is that right now we need to take this disease seriously. Even if it seems small now, diseases like this soar quickly, and by the time it's killing thousands of people per day, it's too late. We need to use strict controls, build up testing capability, build up medical resources, distribute those resources as needed.

I.e. we need to act early and act rationally.

 

[Drawdown]

That's pretty low even for a Trump supporter. No, wait, that's just in line with what a Trump supporter would say. Keep up the good work.

A year from now nobody will know his name.