Attkisson interviewed ATF Agent John Dodson yesterday regarding any progress on Fast 'n Furious.
Also Jason Chaffetz, retiring from Congress.
https://sharylattkisson.com/
It seems the US Department of Justice is not the least bit interested in justice. Magnificent cover-up ongoing at that department. Given this, how does the agency have any credibility at all? Holder and Lynch seem as rotten as they come.
Thoughts?
Just so we're all clear : Fast & Furious, in this context, is not referring to those dead-beaten, milked, cashed-out, overused, crappy & pointless movies with bald dudes & cars ?
Just so we're all clear : Fast & Furious, in this context, is not referring to those dead-beaten, milked, cashed-out, overused, crappy & pointless movies with bald dudes & cars ?
Μολὼν λαβέ;1067352578 said:Correct, its the scandal where left elitists in the US government, while pushing for gun control of its citizens, allowed guns to become possessions of Mexican drug cartel members. The alleged purpose was to track the firearms after they were used to commit crimes including murder.
What idiocy...
Wasn't the program started in 2006 before the Obama administration? Or are you saying that the Bush administration was trying to take everyone's guns away? Or are you just angry and not making a coherent point?Μολὼν λαβέ;1067352578 said:Correct, its the scandal where left elitists in the US government, while pushing for gun control of its citizens, allowed guns to become possessions of Mexican drug cartel members. The alleged purpose was to track the firearms after they were used to commit crimes including murder.
What idiocy...
Greetings, Mo. :2wave:
:agree: They really needed to track those firearms, since everyone knows firearms have a mind of their own! How could anyone ever question that reasoning? :doh
Wasn't the program started in 2006 before the Obama administration?
Or are you saying that the Bush administration was trying to take everyone's guns away?
Or are you just angry and not making a coherent point?
Μολὼν λαβέ;1067352954 said:Fast & Furious began under the Obama administration in 2009.
Same tactic, different name. It was called operation wide receiver under Bush, but it was the exact same program run out of the exact same location. If you want to hang your hat on "but it's a different name!" then go right ahead. But this tactic, although it was ended under Obama, it was not started under Obama.
Though I started the thread, I make no claim to expert status on F&F, but I think you're right--it originally started under Bush, and then was continued under Obama. Similar to the operation against Koresh at Waco, begun under Bush 41 and continued under Clinton.
And that is an excellent point, for as Dodson the ATF whistleblower noted, the cover-up is within the Justice Department, and so happens to include the White House. That is the real moral of the story IMO. The perps are within the US Justice Department, and so far it appears Donald does not want to drain that particular part of the swamp. That was the point Chaffetz made.
Technically no it wasn't continued. Wide Reciever started in 06 and ended 07. Fast and Furious started in 09 and ended 2010. It was a restarted bad program.
Those that don't learn from history repeat history.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1067352578 said:Correct, its the scandal where left elitists in the US government, while pushing for gun control of its citizens, allowed guns to become possessions of Mexican drug cartel members. The alleged purpose was to track the firearms after they were used to commit crimes including murder.
What idiocy...
The outrage over Fast and Furious always seems far out of proportion to the operation itself.
We are talking about ~2000 weapons that were legally purchased in the U.S. and then illegally smuggled to Mexico by a small handful of cartel agents in Phoenix, AZ. There is no reason to believe they represent even a tiny fraction of the groups doing this every day. About a third were recovered, so that's 1300ish extra weapons knocking around in Mexico. Not significant.
The cartels have ready access to military stockpiles throughout Central and South America and more money than the Catholic Church, so it is laughable to imagine that if F&F hadn't allowed those guns to cross the border that they would have had trouble arming their goons.
I don't disagree it was bad, ineffective way to try to track guns into cartels, but it didn't get anyone killed or grant cartels access to anything they didn't already have.
Which was a continuation of Operation Wide Receiver, the right elitists in the US government allowed guns to become possessions of Mexican Drug cartels
So did the left elites under Obama. :roll:
A border agent, Brian Terry was killed with one of those weapons...
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chic...killing-arrest-mexico-20170413-story,amp.html
Attkisson interviewed ATF Agent John Dodson yesterday regarding any progress on Fast 'n Furious.
Also Jason Chaffetz, retiring from Congress.
https://sharylattkisson.com/
It seems the US Department of Justice is not the least bit interested in justice. Magnificent cover-up ongoing at that department. Given this, how does the agency have any credibility at all? Holder and Lynch seem as rotten as they come.
Thoughts?
Wasn't the program started in 2006 before the Obama administration? Or are you saying that the Bush administration was trying to take everyone's guns away? Or are you just angry and not making a coherent point?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal#Operation_Wide_ReceiverThere was a different program that was started previous to the Obama administration called Operation Wide Receiver. it was 2006 and 2007. In that one they arrested the people with the guns before they crossed into Mexico instead of allowing them to cross as Operation Fast and Furious did. It was cancelled though as the convictions they got were too few for the millions of dollars spent on the program.
You must have heard that incorrectly, because they most definitely lost many of the guns.Operation Wide Receiver
The suspicious sale of AR-15s led to Operation Wide Receiver.[31]
The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty of Mad Dawg Global informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.[31]
With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[12] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[30] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.[6][31][32][33]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal#Operation_Wide_Receiver
You must have heard that incorrectly, because they most definitely lost many of the guns.
Still wrong. It clearly says the Mexican authorities were supposed to arrest them AFTER they crossed the border. Not before. Exact same thing.I didn't say they didn't lose any guns. The point is this program was intended not to have any guns get to Mexico. fast and furious intentionally was letting them into mexico.
I love how the liberals try to defend this fiasco.
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